57 Years Mormon

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The Catholic Church hides nothing. Forget the history of human behavior! Look at Church teaching. Where does the man whom you profess to be your Lord ever state that Joseph Smith (or any organization 1,800 years later) would be charged with the preservation and propagation of the faith? He did not. The scriptures did not. Zero evidence. Where and when was the “great apostasy”? The LDS simply cannot pin this down. Jesus, who cannot lie (as the LDS can with its “holy lies”), stated clearly that the gates of hell would not prevail against His Church. You say that that those gates actually did prevail. Please explain.

The BOM and the Holy Bible are at enmity with one another. On numerous points. You cannot have both.

What was mankind’s fall from grace: He wanted to be like God, knowing good and evil. The LDS teaches that man can become a god - the promise of the serpent! You exhibit that starry-eyed stare of the “true believer” I see it also in Muslims and Jehovah’s Witnesses.

Try leaving any of those three faiths: Islam, LDS, JW. You either are under sentence of death, dis-fellowshipped, or shunned. Leave the Catholic Church and we pray for your return. Which comports with the scriptures?

You are looking for reasons not to become Catholic - thus you are not seeking the entire truth.
 
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The LDS as the “Lord’s church”? This ‘might’ be true if Jesus was born in 1800s America, but He was not. From the demand for belief on faith without reason, the LDS and Islam have amazing parallels. An “angel” revealing to a single “prophet”; the complete overturning of Christian belief; the killing of their “prophet”; the denial of the dual nature of Christ; a fight for power and control after the founder was killed, etc, etc. Eerily similar.

Are these all not marks of antichrist? (1 John 4:1-4).
 
Surely you can do better than pull the old “kill the messenger” ploy…
 
But it’s true, I’m not trying to be slanderous. When you look at Joseph Smith and everything surrounding the Book of Mormon I really don’t understand how you can’t see that he was a clear con man. The mental gymnastics you guys do in order to justify your beliefs are pretty astounding. How gullible are you really?
 
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But it’s true, I’m not trying to be slanderous. When you look at Joseph Smith and everything surrounding the Book of Mormon I really don’t understand how you can’t see that he was a clear con man. The mental gymnastics you guys do in order to justify your beliefs are pretty astounding. How gullible are you really?
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My question to the OP was about the doctrines of one divine being, The Trinity, and creation ex-nihilo, which your response doesn’t address. You reflexively returned to Joseph Smith. I’m interested to hear what he has to say on those topics, if he chooses to respond.
 
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i dont know,but lds have been erecting temples close to the CC and many times they see to it that their temples dwarf the CC .they want to make a statement! sorry to say ,but they’re one of the enemies of the CC !
 
Could we please lighten up? This thread is about welcoming a brother to the church, let’s not turn it into an interrogation of anyone’s beliefs. Start a new thread if you want to argue beliefs.
God loves each of us with an everlasting love, He is full of surprises, and it’s not over for any of us til the fat lady sings.
 
My goal wasn’t to head on address the issues you brought up, but if you’d like to discuss them, I’d be more than happy to refute you.

It does seem to me, however, that Mormons like you tend to avoid the clear fact that Smith was a fraud.
 
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God commanding polygamy…is the type of lie coming from Joseph Smith. The lie that Brigham Young taught as doctrine.

People, including Popes, committing sins is not an indicator of the truthfulness of anything. We all sin.

Yet no Pope has ever decreed their favorite sin as a doctrine of the Church that should be practiced as a doctrine of the Church. It just wouldn’t fly, not with how Catholics view doctrine.
 
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I did the same kind of study of Mormonism many years ago. Went through phases of anger, incredulity at family who remain Mormon, and a lot of what the heck moments. All that is past.

RCIA helps with the unraveling. Pray and study the Bible often. Usccb.org has a good online Bible.

You are in my prayers and may God bless you on your journey.
 
Hard to imagine, but the clearest, most lucid exposition of Mormonism that I have found is in the south Park episode “All About Mormons” Yeah, they are raunchy and profane, but the content is very clear.
 
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CourtingTex, sorry, but there are questions and then there are questions. Some are fine to ask and others get you excommunicated. Don’t try to pretend that’s not true. It’s just more Mormon lies and cover ups. I have served on many bishop’s courts and high council courts. I know what people get excommunicated for. Questioning Joseph Smith’s character is apostasy. Asking about his affairs and polyandry will get you front row tickets in the stake high council chambers. You can’t ask why the apostles lie, why the prophets lie, or why the Book of Abraham is a lie. A lot of doctrinal questions are okay, but most of Church history is considered untouchable. You are right, though. I have had answers to many of my questions and they were hard to take. Leaving the Mormon church isn’t easy on many levels. The Church won’t leave you alone. But it was the right choice.

All I ask is that you be honest. Asking certain questions is not allowed and YOU KNOW IT. If you don’t, then you don’t know much about Mormonism.
 
gazelam,

I didn’t get tired of the Mormon church and leave. But I did get tired of the lies. I suppose that as I study Catholicism, I’ll figure those things out. But the Book of Mormon and the current LDS doctrine of the nature of God are clearly in contradiction with one another.

I’ll answer those questions as I learn the answers. In the meantime, will you answer a question for me?

Do you believe that the Book of Mormon contains the fullness of the gospel and is the keystone of your religion?
 
This is not about killing the messenger. Your own leaders admit that the truthfulness of the church rests upon the testimony of Joseph Smith.
 
Regardless of when the Lord’s Church was restored does not matter, other than to state that it was prophesied to occur so to bring up the the murder (and that is what it was) of Joseph Smith, etc cited means that my church is false, it that what you are saying?

Your view is not the first and frankly will not be the last of those who are uncomfortable with my church.
 
The Lord’s church was not restored. It was never taken away.

Joseph Smith was not murdered. He was killed in a gun fight.
 
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I’d say he was murdered and was defending himself. I wouldn’t say he was a martyr, because of the fact that he was killed in a gunfight. But Mormonism teaches a different definition of the word martyr. So it goes. 🤓
 
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Why do you say he was defending himself? How do you know that they were there to injure him? Both sides were armed. Joseph killed two men. Does that not make him a murderer?

If some man were hitting on my wife in the name of God, I’d be pretty upset, too. I wouldn’t kill him, but I would give him a licking that he wouldn’t forget.
 
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Well the mob wasn’t there to invite him to a picnic. 😉 And yes I agree, it is no surprise that Smith’s fate was what it was. He may have got what was coming to him in an American frontier fashion, but it wasn’t justice, it was revenge. It was a mob attacking a man who they assumed was unarmed. He acted in self defense. To view it otherwise is taking a biased view (IMO).
 
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