60-70's Mass music

[ArchStreetBand]

Why does no one delete all of these negative and off-topic posts? I still don’t understand how these forums work. Is there no place here for discussing music that doesn’t immediately become a vicious sacred music debate? Is there any other Catholic site that demands a little more tolerance/politeness/Christian charity or catholic/universal open-mindedness among its posters?

 

[benedictgal]

Why does no one delete all of these negative and off-topic posts? I still don’t understand how these forums work. Is there no place here for discussing music that doesn’t immediately become a vicious sacred music debate? Is there any other Catholic site that demands a little more tolerance/politeness/Christian charity or catholic/universal open-mindedness among its posters?

The problem is that a lot of the music advocated, whether it’s from the 1960s-70s or the Praise and Worship genre, tends to not be in accordance with what the Church has mandated. Part of the problem lies with the publishers themselves who either do not read the authoritative documents of the Church or outright ignore them. The other part of the problem is that there is a dearth in adequate formation of pastoral musicians insofar as education and training in the Church documents are concerned.

Many of us have had to suffer through bad music used for the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. The music that is currently out there fails to respect the criteria that Pope Benedict XVI establisihed in Sacramentum Caritatis. Those of us who do care about sacred music do have legitimate concerns, especially where questionable theology and banal musical settings are used. In fact, Pope Benedict XVI has used the word “banal” to describe a lot of what is out there right now. Sadly, those who support this kind of music have leveled the most criticism against him.

We also have to bear in mind, too, that the Fathers of the 2005 Synod on the Eucharist (many of whom were bishops) noted that there were indeed serious concerns with the music used for the Mass, especially the so-called “Youth Masses.” They considered this kind of music a shadow cast upon the liturgy. Form is nearly as important as text.

 

[5Loaves]

Glory to Jesus Christ!

Here’s an even dozen:

• All That We Have - The Dameans
• It’s a Brand New Day - Paul Quinlan and the New Day
• Here We Are - Ray Repp
• Forevermore - Ray Repp
• They’ll Know We Are Christians - Peter Scholtes
• We Are the Light of the World - Jean Anthony Greif
• Like a Shepherd - St. Louis Jesuits
• Earthen Vessels - St. Louis Jesuits
• Peace Is Flowing Like a River - Carey Landry and Carol Jean Kinghorn
• Come to the Water - John Foley
• Blest Be the Lord - Dan Schutte
• Glory and Praise To Our God - Dan Schutte

I think that’s at least a somewhat representative sampling. As for the song Some Young Carpenter, my quick searching says it was from 1970 and by a singer named Jack Miffleton.

Welcome to CAF.

If you’re interested in learning more about the environment in which the earliest of those on the list above were written, Ken Canedo has a series of Podcasts talking about the music and the culture of the time at his podcast pageKeep the Fire Burning. He plays original old recordings on the podcasts sung by the composers. The materials considered in the book and the podcasts stops at 1970.

 

[archangel04]

Yea, the last thing we need is the renewal of crappyyy music. We need proper music for the sacrifice of the Mass.

Lol amen to that! The only music we should be reviving from the past is Gregorian chant!
I think the OP might be trollin or could just be a joke.

 

[MarkThompson]

Glory to Jesus Christ!

Welcome to CAF.

If you’re interested in learning more about the environment in which the earliest of those on the list above were written, Ken Canedo has a series of Podcasts talking about the music and the culture of the time at his Keep the Fire Burning podcast page. He plays original old recordings on the podcasts sung by the composers. The materials considered in the book and the podcasts stops at 1970.

Why yes indeed, we’ve even discussed it before!

 

[archangel04]

Why does no one delete all of these negative and off-topic posts? I still don’t understand how these forums work. Is there no place here for discussing music that doesn’t immediately become a vicious sacred music debate? Is there any other Catholic site that demands a little more tolerance/politeness/Christian charity or catholic/universal open-mindedness among its posters?

Lol go over to the traditional forum we we get constantly attacked by those who dislike traditional practices and no one ever really warns them or bans them. Got to get tough skin sometimes, it’s just human nature. Those that usually defend banal music are just giving into their feelings and emotions, and that’s the problem because emotions change and so does taste in music. It’s just now that we are getting rid of much of the 70s music from many parishes, but there still out there. This is a problem when you try to introduce what’s “in” into the mass.

 

[anp1215]

Why does no one delete all of these negative and off-topic posts? I still don’t understand how these forums work. Is there no place here for discussing music that doesn’t immediately become a vicious sacred music debate? Is there any other Catholic site that demands a little more tolerance/politeness/Christian charity or catholic/universal open-mindedness among its posters?

I was thinking the same thing. Geez. Someone asks a question (yeah, he might be a troll, but you don’t know that for sure) and then I read pages and pages of snarky comments. How disheartening.

 

[Phemie]

Originally Posted by Elizium23 forums.catholic-questions.org/images/buttons_khaki/viewpost.gif

Sing to the Lord

1. Participation in the Sacred Liturgy must be “internal, in the sense that by it the faithful join their mind to what they pronounce or hear, and cooperate with heavenly grace.”24 Even when listening to the various prayers and readings of the Liturgy or to the singing of the choir, the assembly continues to participate actively as they “unite themselves interiorly to what the ministers or choir sing, so that by listening to them they may raise their minds to God.”25 “In a culture which neither favors nor fosters meditative quiet, the art of interior listening is learned only with difficulty. Here we see how the liturgy, though it must always be properly inculturated, must also be counter-cultural.”26

Since this thread has resurfaced, let me point out that you seem to have deliberately ignored the part of the quoted document that said we also participate actively by listening to the choir. That being so, Gregorian chant that we listen to is just as much active participation as everyone singing “Sons of God” during the Offertory.

 

[Theophilus777]

Why does no one delete all of these negative and off-topic posts? I still don’t understand how these forums work. Is there no place here for discussing music that doesn’t immediately become a vicious sacred music debate? Is there any other Catholic site that demands a little more tolerance/politeness/Christian charity or catholic/universal open-mindedness among its posters?

I too am appalled by the lack of charity. But I don’t believe that the persons who are most guilty have the best intentions. I have long since concluded that some of the persons who are least hesitant to post all things venemous are merely anti-Catholic or anti-Christian trolls. There are certainly persons posting to these forums under cover of anonimity who have no love for the Faith, and wish to create as much strife and argument as possible.

You can tell who they are. Jesus said that by their fruits you would know them. The powers that be at Catholic Answers probably can’t do much to separate the weeds from the wheat, for obvious reasons. But Jesus will certainly have the final word in the end. The best we can do is to love and to turn the other cheek.

 

[FatHead]

I too am appalled by the lack of charity. But I don’t believe that the persons who are most guilty have the best intentions. I have long since concluded that some of the persons who are least hesitant to post all things venemous are merely anti-Catholic or anti-Christian trolls. There are certainly persons posting to these forums under cover of anonimity who have no love for the Faith, and wish to create as much strife and argument as possible.

You can tell who they are. Jesus said that by their fruits you would know them. The powers that be at Catholic Answers probably can’t do much to separate the weeds from the wheat, for obvious reasons. But Jesus will certainly have the final word in the end. The best we can do is to love and to turn the other cheek.

this sub section of caf is set up specificaly for the discussion of matters liturgical

if you dont like it, why do you come to the L&S board?

these “anti-christian” “trolls” happen to be the ones advocating for what Our Lord (through his church) wants during the liturgy, and calling a spade a spade when that doesnt happen

theres nothing wrong with that

“By your fruits you will know them.” Jesus never said to be a “nice guy.” he himself fought physically for the sanctity of the temple