60% of US states are reporting increases in new cases

[Zzyzx_Road]

If mask wearing and social distancing isn’t stopping this, it should be clear there is something else going on.

So the cry is let’s double down!

If we’re doubling down on the mask wearing and the social distancing plus retracting the reopenings, but cases are still spiking, it should be clear there is something else going on.

 

[Joegrane]

If mask wearing and social distancing isn’t stopping this…

Are the rioters social distancing, how about youth out partying? Notice the young people still have higher rates of positive tests in contrast to older folks. I bet part of that is that young people know they have very little chance of dying unless they have a comorbidity. CDC data here.

Deaths nationally are still well below the highs several months ago.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html

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It is interesting that Costa Rica has done so well, much better than many European countries and better than its neighboring countries. Martenson says they used hydroxycloroquine rather heavily.

 

[buffalo]

Watch the % expected deaths column

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

 

[Cathoholic]

Theo520 . . .

When I was sick with the virus . . .

I was not aware you were sick with corona virus Theo520.

I am glad you sound as though you are doing well!

 

[Joegrane]

Watch the % expected deaths column

Wow, the numbers are almost too good to be true.

This page provides a graph of deaths over the months but also by age groups. Again the recent numbers are almost too good to be true.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm

I still remember the graph from the 1918 pandemic. They had a summer lull but the number of deaths really rose in the Fall. I don’t expect the situation to be nearly as bad for us with social distancing, possibly with the worst of the pandemic behind us and if doctors check for vitamin D deficiencies.

 

[QContinuum]

I expect fatalities to spike again in the fall and winter, precisely because vitamin D levels will fall with the waning sunlight. Doctors don’t have the resources to monitor every single person’s levels and frankly, even here in MN where practically everyone has low D levels it’s hardly been mentioned by any doctors I’ve seen in the past. You’d think it’d be on their radar.

Other reasons why the fatality rate will spike:

1. Susceptibility due to weakened immune systems getting hit with other seasonal viruses like flu.
2. Cold temps sending people indoors where the ventilation is inferior and the virus much more easily spread.
3. Combination of flu and Covid-19 cases will likely supercede hospital capacity and resources in several areas, leading to other critical illnesses and injuries without the necessary treatment. These deaths resulting from the situation are indirectly due to flu or Rona.
4. Schools opening will inevitably result in more cases. More cases results in more hospitalizations and ultimately, deaths.

But I will once again point out that the case fatality rate (CFR), while certainly many times that of flu CFR, is not even my biggest concern. There are multiple reports and early studies indicating that this virus induces lung, kidney, heart, and neurological injury, that can take months to heal. Or even induce permanent damage such as fibrosis of the lungs.

This is not in a small number of cases either, but upwards of 20% or more of all cases. Even “asymptomatic.”

This is the bugger that I have my eye on. If anything can impact the economy for years to come, it’s having a significant portion of people, millions of workers, impacted by disability for months to years.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

If mask wearing and social distancing isn’t stopping this…

But it is slowing it down significantly.

Are the rioters social distancing, how about youth out partying? Notice the young people still have higher rates of positive tests in contrast to older folks. I bet part of that is that young people know they have very little chance of dying unless they have a comorbidity.

And apparently those young people have no sense of social responsibility and concern for those who are older and/or have underlying health conditions. Also young people tend to a poor ability to judge risk.

It is interesting that Costa Rica has done so well, much better than many European countries and better than its neighboring countries. Martenson says they used hydroxycloroquine rather heavily.

Coincidence.

Wow, the numbers are almost too good to be true.

This page provides a graph of deaths over the months but also by age groups. Again the recent numbers are almost too good to be true.

It is too early to gleeful, since many are still grieving. The 1918 pandemic took two years to run its course. We are only about 5 months in.

worst of the pandemic behind us and if doctors check for vitamin D deficiencies.

If there is a connection with vitamin D, it is very slim:

Vitamin D Deficiency and COVID-19: Is There a Connection? > News > Yale Medicine

Also your source for the vitamin D info is Mercola !

 

[JButky]

But it is slowing it down significantly.

Not really true… Cases are spiking in the most severe lockdown/mask wearing requiring places, but deaths are not following… Once again, experts’ claims are nowhere near the reality…

They are now panicking in Hong Kong with cases surging despite a universal mask mandate in place for months.

Countries like Japan and Hong Kong are as disciplined and as clean as they come. But you can’t stop a pandemic flu. Thankfully, there really is no reason to panic because the rate of serious cases is even less in Asia thanks to their inherent partial immunity.

We are seeing the same pattern here in America. Hawaii has had the most severe lockdown of anywhere and it’s enforced very zealously. They also have had near universal compliance to their long-standing mask mandate in place since April. They are also an island country. Yet, it has experienced a 700% increase in cases over the past 30 days!

https://www.conservativereview.com/news/horowitz-fort-benning-japan-hawaii-face-masks-not-working/

 

[LeafByNiggle]

LeafByNiggle:

But it is slowing it down significantly.

Not really true… Cases are spiking in the most severe lockdown/mask wearing requiring places

You’ve got your cause and effect backward. They are very severe and serious about wearing masks in the places where cases are spiking because the spiking of cases drives public policy. It is a common statistical error.

, but deaths are not following…

Deaths are a lagging indicator by 3 or more weeks. And yes, deaths do increase a few weeks after a spiking in cases.

Once again, experts’ claims are nowhere near the reality…

It is this statement right here that is nowhere near reality. The experts have been quite good.

They are now panicking in Hong Kong with cases surging despite a universal mask mandate in place for months.

Countries like Japan and Hong Kong are as disciplined and as clean as they come. But you can’t stop a pandemic flu. Thankfully, there really is no reason to panic because the rate of serious cases is even less in Asia thanks to their inherent partial immunity.

We are seeing the same pattern here in America. Hawaii has had the most severe lockdown of anywhere and it’s enforced very zealously. They also have had near universal compliance to their long-standing mask mandate in place since April. They are also an island country. Yet, it has experienced a 700% increase in cases over the past 30 days!

https://www.conservativereview.com/news/horowitz-fort-benning-japan-hawaii-face-masks-not-working/

First of “Conservative Review”.

As for Hong Kong, there are several reasons for their spike in cases:

Covid-19: Why Hong Kong's 'third wave' is a warning

Until recently, the city was seen as a poster child in its handling of the pandemic. What went wrong?

www.bbc.com

There problems are not proof of the ineffectiveness of masks in crowded public spaces.

" But you can’t stop a pandemic flu." is nonsense, because slowing it down and minimizing harm is possible.

Also Mr. Horowitz is a defense attorney. He has no medical expertise.

 

[pnewton]

If there is a connection with vitamin D, it is very slim:

That may be, but I am still stuck taking these horse pill vitamins to build immunity. I consider a reasonable trade off. I take the supplement my wife gives me. She wears the mask all the time like I asked her, even using a N95 for sketchy situations she cannot get out of.

 

[QContinuum]

Deaths are a lagging indicator by 3 or more weeks. And yes, deaths do increase a few weeks after a spiking in cases.

Thank you for pointing this out. This fact should be rather obvious to anyone who’s been following the development of various SARS-Cov-2 outbreaks since early spring.

Apologies for the gruff response here. It’s only that’s it’s a slightly less obvious a pattern than a baby appearing about 8.5 months after a positive pregnancy test.

 

[QContinuum]

If there is a connection with vitamin D, it is very slim:

And here I firmly disagree. Even before Covid-19 appeared, a large body of evidence was already available indicating a significant benefit from higher vitamin D serum levels, especially in response to viral and bacterial infections.

I understand that HCQ and other treatments have been ridiculously politicized. (My opinion on HCQ is the same as Fauci’s; without a truly randomized, large study complete with placebo, we do not know the true effectiveness of the drug on COVID-19. We have a handful of smaller to medium sized studies, all retrospective or case studies, and anecdotal evidence. I would agree that this drug is unproven as an effective treatment and certainly does not meet any meaningful definition of “cure.”)

That said, I have noticed an almost reflexive defense by some more science-minded individuals who are doubtlessly exhausted by refuting baseless HCQ claims from polemical individuals. Where discussions about the effect of Vitamin D on the course of the illness are automatically rejected because it’s (not undeservedly) assumed that the other person is probably another anti-vaccine, anti-, science-based person who’s glommed onto anything sounding “natural” and “miraculous.”

I get it. I’m someone whose undergrad is in public health science. However, I will say that there is substantial evidence that Vitamin D levels are crucial to immune response to infection in general, not just SARS-CoV-2.

If you’re not already familiar with him, check out Dr. Campbell’s videos. He is a nursing instructor of some 30 years in the UK, who has been providing daily, objective updates on Covid-19 since at least early January. His material is generally a review of the numbers, country by country, review of the scientific literature and education on best practices.

I recommend him because he’s discussed the evidence on Vitamin D in a couple of videos. Here’s his most recent.

I’d like to get your opinion on the data he presents if you have time.

 

[Joegrane]

If you’re not already familiar with him, check out Dr. Campbell’s videos. He is a nursing instructor of some 30 years in the UK…I recommend him because he’s discussed the evidence on Vitamin D in a couple of videos.

I saw that video by Dr C and a few others. He is good, seems objective, not a spin-doctor.

In another video Dr C. mentions this article from the UK warning about a possible link between low vitamin D and less desirable outcomes in Covid patients.

Government orders review into vitamin D role in Covid-19

The National Institute for Health and Care Excellence has called for an urgent review into the benefits of taking vitamin D amid the coronavirus pandemic

www.dailymail.co.uk

This video by Dr C is on Beta Interferon for Covid. I first hears about interferon from an NIH whistleblower, Dr Judy Mikovits. She thinks it would likely make a good treatment or possibly a component of a type of “vaccine” to use her term. I have more on the subject of interferon if requested. Mikovits is provocative to say the least, but due to the censorship by corporate media everyone should at least hear her side.

In general I like recently retired university professors or those close to retirement. They don’t have to impress anyone any longer. They can just tell you what they think. Dr Chris Martenson, Dr H. Risch, Dr Sue Humphries, Dr Boyd Haley are others that come to mind. Mikovits may be another.