60% of US states are reporting increases in new cases

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The denominator is the bottom number (cases) and the numerator is the top (deaths). There is a point here that I tried to word carefully that the rate of deaths is only of those who have shown to be positive. Until we know better how many never show symptoms and are never tested, it is hard to know the death rate of those infected, but it will likely be lower by as much as half. Another hopeful sign.

But again, if you compare it to the flu, remember that a lot of flu is also unreported.
 
Zzyzx_Road said:
The lesson is that lockdown or no lockdown, we are going to have to get through it everywhere until it stabilizes like NY and NJ.
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The stability you speak of not just an inevitable consequence of a sufficient number of people becoming infected. It is strongly influenced by the public health policies that we adopt, such as wearing masks and limiting indoor gatherings, testing, contact tracing, and isolation. It sounds you would have us throw up our hands and just wait for natural herd immunity, however many dead that takes. NY and NJ got things under control after a very bad start because of the public health policies they have been using lately. It didn’t just “happen”. Is Florida just waiting for it to “just happen” to them too without taking any additional measures? Stay tuned. in the last five days, Florida has seen more covid-19 deaths per day than at any time from the beginning to July 8.
 
buffalo said:
What is the current known death rate?
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Currently it varies from country to country but scientists seem to agree the mortality rate is at least 1% which makes it at least 10 times more deadly than seasonal flu.
Also, even for survivors in many cases there are long term negative health effects from the ravaging of internal organs apart from the lungs, and severe blood clotting (things the flu doesn’t do).
 
pnewton said:
Until we know better how many never show symptoms and are never tested, it is hard to know the death rate of those infected, but it will likely be lower by as much as half. Another hopeful sign.
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BUT, you also need to add the deaths reported at home that the medical examiners never tested but same percentage were/are likely positive.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
in the last five days, Florida has seen more covid-19 deaths per day than at any time from the beginning to July 8.
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Perspective, Leaf. You really dislike bringing up NY, but history often rhymes. Don’t feel bad about rhyming history, that drives me up the wall too.

NY’s peak lasted awhile too. The first day they were over 10,000 cases was April 3. The last time they were over 10000 cases in a day was April 25. In between they had six other days of over 9000 cases in a day and the seven day average for that period ranged from 8000 at the beginning of this period to 6000+ at the end.
 
Montrose said:
Currently it varies from country to country but scientists seem to agree the mortality rate is at least 1% which makes it at least 10 times more deadly than seasonal flu.
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Please see my post #252 above for mortality rate calculations for the US.
Montrose said:
Also, even for survivors in many cases there are long term negative health effects from the ravaging of internal organs apart from the lungs, and severe blood clotting (things the flu doesn’t do).
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We’ve heard this repeatedly. But no one seems to have a handle on what percentage of survivors are affected in this manner. So sure there are stories in the news about some survivors, but no story has offered sufficient context about the greater picture.
 
There is nothing we can do about those deaths in New York. But there is still something we can do about the people who have not yet died in Florida, but are going to.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
There is nothing we can do about those deaths in New York. But there is still something we can do about the people who have not yet died in Florida, but are going to.
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They already did. They didn’t repeat Cuomo’s atrocious March 25 order.

As of today
NY 412k cases, 32k deaths
FL 360k cases, 5k deaths

So FL is up to 87% of NY’s cases but only 16% of NY’s deaths. Hence I feel safe in predicting that while FL will exceed NY’s cases, FL deaths will still fall far short of NY’s deaths.
 
Zzyzx_Road said:
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LeafByNiggle:
There is nothing we can do about those deaths in New York. But there is still something we can do about the people who have not yet died in Florida, but are going to.
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They already did. They didn’t repeat Cuomo’s atrocious March 25 order.
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Apparently that was not enough because 90 people died of covid-19 in Florida yesterday.
As of today
NY 412k cases, 32k deaths
FL 360k cases, 5k deaths
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You are still talking about all those deaths that we can’t do anything about, while ignoring the ones that we could still save. Florida cannot rest on one laurel forever.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
Apparently that was not enough because 90 people died of covid-19 in Florida yesterday.
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And on that note:
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And with a good number of hospitals reaching or exceeding ICU capacity, we have a not so promising trend:
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buffalo said:
did they die with covid or of covid?
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If you’re trying to point out that some were counted as Covid deaths just because they were Covid positive, yes…that happened. Did they do this in large numbers, the answer is no. Some are a fine line to identify. Should we count an pneumonia patient that died and is Covid positive as a Covid death, even if he appeared to have recovered from Covid? Probably yes. Should we count a motorcycle death that happened to be Covid positive? No…unless the accident occurred because he was so feverish and coughing so hard that it caused him to crash…in that case…I don’t know.

Have there been false claims of Covid numbers that shouldn’t have been? Absolutely. Unless you can show statistics that this is happening in large enough numbers to skew the data, then it’s pointless to bring up these exceptions. Most Covid deaths are due to Covid.
 
A report of serious Covid case reporting problems in Florida.
https://blogs.mercola.com/sites/vit...s-in-reporting-covid-19-positivity-rates.aspx
[Florida] state department of health reporting 15,000 new COVID-19 infections as of Sunday, July 12, all occurring in just 24 hours. But an alert Fox News team member took a closer look at the numbers — and questioned why so many labs were reporting 100% positivity rates.

As it turned out, some labs weren’t reporting negative results at all. The reporter then called every single location mentioned in the health department’s report and found the locations’ numbers don’t match up with the health department’s.

For example, Orlando Health was reported to have a 98% positivity rate, but the hospital told Fox News the rate is actually only 9.4%. The Orlando Veteran’s Medical Center, which the health department said had a 76% rate, actually has only a 6% positivity rate.
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