Yes the facts are readily available which is why the comment in the petition is demonstrably false . You’re advocating a guilty until proven innocent procedure concerning Catholic Priest s. I don’t know where you have been the last 13 rest years but I has seen great progress in addressing this issue head on.The facts in Milwaukee are available for all to see and judge…
As to slander…Yes…our Bishops and clergy have taught everyone that lesson…except that it’s not slander at all when it’s the truth. And if it’s not the truth…well, after what we’ve seen far too many times why would anyone believe a bishop or priest on the subject without evidence to the contrary? The past 13+ years have simply driven that point home again, and again and again and again…I no longer give them the benefit of the doubt. And I can’t imagine anyone would given what we’ve all seen…
The article said that the Cardinal denies all these charges.Did anyone actually read the news item cited? The objection is an outgrowth of His Eminence’s handling of the sex scandal in Milwaukee. Seems to me His Eminence, and the entire hierarchy, will be tainted by their failures to act appropriately for some time to come. As you sow, so shall you reap…and all that.
here is a link to the petition:
change.org/p/change-le-moyne-commencement-speaker-2015?recruiter=277466821&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=autopublish&utm_term=mob-xs-share_petition-no_msg
Aside from one comment about “homophobic comments” which seems to me to be related to the scandal, it seems to to be totally dealing with his handling of the sex scandal in Milwaukee. Sorry, but that’s a fair target.
JimR - OCDS Yes, yes you are
Hazen Pingree Clearly not everyone agrees with that assessment…and let’s face it the handling of the sex scandal has itself been a scandal…for His Eminence as well as others
Havard - gotta wonder if you read the report the news item or petition…How’d he do in dealing with sexual assault of minors in Milwaukee?
commenter - especially if it gets him off the scandal ineptitude/misfeasance/malfeasance hook …
Corki - Maybe the hierarchy has failed the faithful over this entire issue of the sex scandal and this is but part of the price to pay?
Bubba - how many sex offenders did Che move around, protect and try to justify? Just wondering…
Eddie - One must at least agree that Monica Lewinski was a consenting adult…but at least you have a reasonable point…
As to the facts, I beg to differ…as do many…Yes the facts are readily available which is why the comment in the petition is demonstrably false . You’re advocating a guilty until proven innocent procedure concerning Catholic Priest s. I don’t know where you have been the last 13 rest years but I has seen great progress in addressing this issue head on.
Well…that says volumes…The article said that the Cardinal denies all these charges.
It says I read the article, as per request.Well…that says volumes…
Yes, it says that - and it says volumes about His Eminence.It says I read the article, as per request.
I offer no legal standard of proof of guilt. I wrote that clearly above. I simply don’t believe them or trust them. That is a useful and totally appropriate position when dealing with people who have shown themselves to generally be untrustworthy.Guilty until proven innocent is neither an American value, or a Catholic one, as far as I know.
It is time for an explanation of what you mean. Are you insinuating that he is a liar?Yes, it says that - and it says volumes about His Eminence.
Which class of people don’t you trust? Every priest and every bishop and every cardinal that has ever existed in the Catholic Church?I offer no legal standard of proof of guilt. I wrote that clearly above. I simply don’t believe them or trust them. That is a useful and totally appropriate position when dealing with people who have shown themselves to generally be untrustworthy.
The reason students at Notre Dame protested BO is because of his stance on abortion, that was well known, and overt, and never denied by him, but in fact asserted, and campaigned on by him.BTW I do not believe the students are empowered to render a judicial decision - so issues of guilt and applicable judicial standards are irrelevant. The students do have the right to protest the choice of what they reasonably believe to be an unsuitable speaker…much like so many on this Forum protested President Obama speaking at Notre Dame some years back. You are confusing apples and oranges.
Oh dear. That he apparently makes an broad unspecified denial simply reinforces my distrust, is suitably vague, and is well within the ambit of SOP of the Bishops.It is time for an explanation of what you mean. Are you insinuating that he is a liar?
My such angst. When it comes to the scandal, just the current ones I don’t personally trust. I’m not sure how one trusts/doesn’t trust a dead person. Perhaps you could enlighten me?Which class of people don’t you trust? Every priest and every bishop and every cardinal that has ever existed in the Catholic Church?
And, HE takes the general denial route…like so many of his confreres. In each case, it was/is simply a protest and not a criminal action as I made clear but you seem to want to ignore.The reason students at Notre Dame protested BO is because of his stance on abortion, that was well known, and overt, and never denied by him, but in fact asserted, and campaigned on by him.
I agree, but distrust and mishandling of something as ghastly as the scandal certainly is…at least as to providing them a forum and honor. Keep to the point.A queasy feeling is not a good reason for ostracizing someone.
I do believe they are simply writing off HE the Cardinal Archbishop of NY. You again confuse apples and oranges.Writing off the entire ordained ministry of Catholic bishops from speaking engagements is bigotry.