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Gift_from_God
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I already gave it
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What they fail to include is all of the other taxes those people pay. Guys like Bill O’Reilly who have so much money the merchandise for his show all goes to charity has even said that 50 percent of his income goes to taxes.
So saying that guys like him pay 18 percent, isn’t telling the whole story.
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You had me there for awhile. I was taking your posts so seriously. You big kidder you.
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Gift_from_God
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It’s about the 400 richest Americans
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Raskolnikov
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The claim that the rich pay less taxes has its point, though few know where that point is. Strictly speaking, as one moves up the scale, the proportion of one’s income that goes to taxes (excepting sales tax, which is of course the same for all brackets) goes up. However, many people of exorbitant wealth do in fact pay incredibly low tax rates in spite of the progressive system. There are in fact myriads of tax attorneys who’s jobs are to find ways to enable billionaires or multim-millionaires to find technically legal ways to avoid paying taxes. Of course, no one in the middle class or even perhaps low end of the upper-class would find it worth it to pay a tax consultant to figure out how to do this, but it is undoubtedly true that among the extremely wealthy, it is embarassingly easy to get out of paying substantial amounts, or even the bulk, of their income tax. I’m not sure how much the lost revenue would amount to, but for you 47%ers who want to sqeeze that extra couple % of tax revenue out of the infamous ‘bottom 47?’ just as a matter of principle, you should be pretty angry about billionaires who paya lower marginal tax rate than you.
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I’m dead serious. Obama is no liberal. this idea that he’s liberal is just some right-wing talking point. Speaking as a left-winger, he hasn’t done anything real liberal. Look at Bernie Sanders or Anthony Weiner and then look at Obama. Big difference
You had me there for awhile. I was taking your posts so seriously. You big kidder you.
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The problem is, the material quality of life is not improving across the board, and yet the extremely wealthy are indeed getting wealthier.
If you think that’s funny, there are actually some people on this forum that honestly think Obama is a Marxist.
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To put all the accusations together, people think he’s a Muslim Marxist communist socialist whose mother decided to go to Kenya to give birth and his grandparents planted a newspaper article announcing his birth so he could fool people into thinking he’s American. He then proceeded to sit in Jeremiah Wright’s Church while recruiting his ACORN army
Pretty ridiculous stuff, eh?
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bbarrick8383
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And…?
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bbarrick8383
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There is what Obama would like to do, and there is what President Obama knows he can’t do. Before he became President, and to this day, he is the most liberal person in Washington. When he became President he realized that what he wants to happen and what’s going to happen are two different things.
I haven’t heard Sanders or Weiner talk about US military strength national police forces. I have heard Obama say that he want’s a single payer healthcare system.
Obama would be perfect for you guys in Canada. I wish he’d move.
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Scott_Lafrance
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WOW! You got anymore jokes? You’re funny. Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez are afraid Obama is going to make THEM look conservative and Castro is a communist! You are either a poor polisci student or you have terrible professors.
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Naaaah, he’s just a dyed in the wool Marxist. I don’t know about the rest of that stuff.
I mean, for a “conservative” he certainly surrounds himself with alot of people with avowed Marxist loyalties. No other president has had so many people who admire Moa Tse Tung and Lenin.
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If you talking about this: forbes.com/sites/robertle…n-18-tax-rate/
that is an op-ed piece.
This site: ntu.org/tax-basics/who-pays-income-taxes.html will give you the cold hard numbers.
In 2008, the latest year numbers are available, the top 0.1% percent of earners paid a tax rate of their AGI of 12.24%. Those in the bottom 50% of earners paid a tax rate of 13.65% of their AGI. But hopefully you understand that the AGI of those in the bottom 50% is a very small percentage of their total income, hence the true tax rate on their total income is much lower than the AGI percentage. The higher ones income the closer the AGI percentage comes to the actual percentage paid in taxes.
“There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.” ~ Mark Twain (who mistakenly attributed it to Benjamin Disraeli)
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I’m curious, what does a military strength national police force have to do with hom being a left-winger
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Here’s my guess: you have never read a page of Marx, you don’t even know what a Marxist is, and it’s because of these reasons that you are qualified to call people Marxists in spite of the fact that they have neither executed nor expressed a desire to execute plans to: appropriate all or most means of production for state control; appropriate all or most private wealth to be distributed among the people; establish a dictatorship of the proletariat; minimize the division of labor in manufacturing processes; and then abolish the state to be replaced bya union of egalitarian worker communes.
Now, I’m sure in you febrile mind you will concoct whatever ‘reason’ you need to believe that Obama is a Stalinist and a Maoist and a card carrying member of the Khmer Rouge, but I’d just like to inform you that this view is simply inane. Obama, is, by American standards, perhaps a little to the left of BIll Clinton. A Marxist? Michelle Bachmann is closer to being a Fascist than he is to being a Marxist. (And note, I’m not calling Bachmann a fascist; she is not, not even close; Obama is also not a Marxist. I don’t see where you people get these ideas from. Even the National Review is closer to reality.).
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Obama is not doing anything liberal. He constantly caves in to Republican demands. THe idea that he is left-wing is part of right-wing talking points
Hey Scott, have you ever considered that he’s not that liberal? Anthony Weiner is more liberal than Obama
I think you’re misinformed about politics
Your statement also tells me you don’t know what people teach in political science
By the way, I excel in school and had numerous scholarship offers
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Gift_from_God
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I studied Marxism for some classes. If there’s one thing Obama is not, it’s a Marxist. Marx makes Obama look like Ron Paul
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centurionguard
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My guess is as ludicrous as it may sound depending on the validity of such source statistics, the top 25% of earners who pay 84% of all federal income tax doesn’t necessarily translate that these (“Top Earners”) are rich as such statistics suggest.
And if Mr. President Obama is so politically driven in trying to tell the American public that he wants the greatest rich to pay their fair share in taxes what is Mr. Obama really saying?
Is it really that hard to believe that the middle class have always bore the greatest weight in the countries tax burden. Or is this a false statement manipulated by unreliable statistics that too have been manipulated to make things look that way.
Statistics too published by the media sources can be falsified to favor political motives.
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bbarrick8383
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Your basing your opinion on what Obama’s done since he won the election.
His closest friends throughout his life have been communists/socialists or sympathizers of Marxists like Che.
I’d be willing to bet that if you could get into his head, he’s a lot further left than you think he is.
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