80 Nights in Portland: Rioters Chant ‘Kill a Cop, Save a Life’ as Two Officers Hospitalized

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Regular_Atheist . . .
everyone here believes that the Democratic Party are somehow responsible for these riots
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Bold mine.

Nobody has said or implied this.

But it is no accident that this occurs predominantly in leftist cities. (They are of “like mind”, not necessarily “responsible”.)

The carping against Wheeler is just what I expect.

Sooner or later the more radical left always eats their own. They even kill off their own babies without the bat of an eye.

The radical left do not love people. Not even each other.
 
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I have friends who are Democrats who normally vote Democrat who are really getting frustrated with this kind of thing. I live in “Flyover” country, where most of the Democratic voters here are blue collar and working class people, farmers, etc.
Maybe they won’t vote for Trump in November but they may just stay home, leave the space blank or vote 3rd party.
ETA: Many are churchgoing Christians(Catholics and evangelicals) who while they won’t vote for Trump, they are pro-life and are appalled at how far left the party has gone in the last few years. In other words, they wholeheartedly supported President Obama, but now with the extreme pro- abortion stance and the inability of Democrat-run cities to quell the violent unrest,are getting frustrated. I am not talking about peaceful protesting and First Amendment rights but violence as has been described above.
 
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Vanny. . .
I have friends who are Democrats who normally vote Democrat who are really getting frustrated with this kind of thing.
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I just had one come up to me recently telling me the same basic point.

Another Democrat friend (a former office holder no less!) lamented about how the Democrat Party has become the party of abortion.

I just quietly agreed and let them continue to vent against the Democrats.
 
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Yes I personally had someone do work on our house who I’ve known for years is a big Democrat and has said he doesn’t know what he will do in November. He says he may leave that box blank or not vote. He won’t vote for Trump, but he may not vote Biden either.
 
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It’s weird that everyone here believes that the Democratic Party are somehow responsible for these riots
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Minneapolis, Seattle, Portland, and Chicago all have Democratic Mayors, District Attorneys, state Attorneys General, and Democratic Governors. Lack of law and order. Not a coincidence.
 
That doesn’t necessarily imply any causality between those things. Populations in cities and non-white populations are more likely to vote in Democratic politicians.
 
Not exactly a shocker that even out-of-control Kenosha has a Democratic Party Mayor.

Perhaps a better chant would be “Thank a cop, save a life”, given that the unjustified disrespect directed at cops has caused mass retirements.
 
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Count Denver into the mix as well.Aurora, that was beset by these riots etc early on ,were promptly shut down by Mike Coffman, a republican mayor, If he can do it why not the dem run cities? 🤨
 
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The populations that are willing to riot are the ones that are also willing to vote in Democratic populations. Is it really surprising that middle class, white, Republican voters don’t care about police violence enough to riot? To blame Democratic politicians for the riots is putting the cart before the horse.
 
The idea that you can crush riots like this through brute force alone is undoubtedly a fantasy. Having said that has there really been an order to stand down? I am seeing extreme police repression of these riots from videos online.
 
Exactly! Here in Denver as far back as the Ferguson protests several years ago,the Denver cops were ordered to stand down by our corrupt mayor,Michael Hancock.Denver is yet another Dem run city in decay.
 
Regular_Atheist . . .
That doesn’t necessarily imply any causality between those things.
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There isn’t NECESSARILY any causality in principle . . . But in these cases there is.
 
Regular_Atheist . . .
Is it really surprising that middle class, white, Republican voters don’t care about police violence enough to riot? To blame Democratic politicians for the riots is putting the cart before the horse.
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Do you think all or most middle class, non-white, non-Republican voters don’t care about police violence enough to riot too?

Or is it all based upon color of skin and being a Republican in your thought paradigm?

(To everyone else. This stems in large part from leftist policies alright. Some of those damaging policies have been brought up right here on this thread.

Also the vast majority of violence against the black community is “black on black crime”. The most deadly of course is what the left is silent about, abortion.

The police for the overwhelming majority, have kept this black on black crime from being much worse.

Ungrateful self-entitled leftists [nationally, not here] are the first to ignore these truths.)
 
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ENOUGH! ENOUGH! ENOUGH! ENOUGH! DITTO, DITTO, DITTO!

(I’m referring to this endless violence, not to any post or poster on this forum.)
 
Regular_Atheist said:
Is it really surprising that middle class, white, Republican voters don’t care about police violence enough to riot?
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Maybe people in the middle class 1) have jobs they have to go to, and 2) realize rioting is wrong.

The delusion that people’s doing things we would not do shows 1) how much they care, how much pain they actually feel, and 2) that caring that much about that issue is correct, is widespread in D thinking.

Believe me, a huge number of the rioters are just in it for the lawlessness and chance to loot a big-screen tv.

You really think the mothers of those slain in Chicago care less about their loss than rioters do about George Floyd? Seriously?
 
Maybe people in the middle class 1) have jobs they have to go to, and 2) realize rioting is wrong.
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The middle class are more likely to think rioting is wrong, I agree. They’re more likely to have a stake in “order”, and are more likely to have something to lose.
Believe me, a huge number of the rioters are just in it for the lawlessness and chance to loot a big-screen tv.
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I think that would still be an expression of grievance. The USA is experiencing an almost record breaking level of unemployment and is on the brink of mass evictions. These people that are rioting are definitely the most affected by that. They are probably some of those in the most precarious position in American society.
You really think the mothers of those slain in Chicago care less about their loss than rioters do about George Floyd? Seriously?
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There have been lots of riots in Chicago though. When there were people on here were coming up with conspiracy theories about Antifa and the government’s left wing mayor. They might still be on going, for all I know, they were very recent.
 
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Oh I think the Democratic Party and local governments are to blame, but so is the federal government.
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Oh, me too. Trump should send national guard in to each of these cities.
Wait. Then he’ll be called a fascist.
So, Trump shouldn’t send in the National guard.
Wait. Then the riots are his fault.

Police shootings of unarmed American blacks almost always happen in progressive Democrat run jurisdictions.
The ongoing riots are being allowed by the same complicit progressive Democrat run jurisdictions.
Trump has offered federal assistance on numerous occasions.
Not the federal government’s fault. At all.
All of this in its entirety is the fault of progressive Democrats.

That should be a national ad campaign by the Republicans.
 
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Oh, me too. Trump should send national guard in to each of these cities.
Wait. Then he’ll be called a fascist.
So, Trump shouldn’t send in the National guard.
Wait. Then the riots are his fault.
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Trump will do whatever he does to squash these riots without gaining too much negative press. The Democratic local governments will do whatever they can to appear sympathetic to the broader movement and to appropriate it while allowing local and federal police forces to repress the protests. Both sides will continue to deflect blame. I don’t care what they “should be” doing, and I have no interest in helping the state to crush these protests. It is important to understand why they are doing what they are doing though. Trump is aware that sending in the National Guard could escalate things, and that’s probably why he is restrained. The idea that you can just crush protests like this through brute force is not necessarily true.
Police shootings of unarmed American blacks almost always happen in progressive Democrat run jurisdictions.
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This is true, but it’s probably less significant than you think. Republicans haven’t been more hard on police unions and police organisations than the Democratic Party, and I see no reason to see why this stuff would stop if they were in power on a local level. The fact is that poor black people vote overwhelming for Democratic politicians, so blaming the Democratic party in itself is putting the cart before the horse. The real issues are a product of capitalism as an economic system on a much broader level.

The best thing that could happen is for these protests to somehow become a more centralised and organised movement with clear demands, and eventually move beyond looting and individual rioting towards actually seizing political power and the process of production. Obviously this is pure fantasy, and as it is the protests will just fizzle out without any clear demands. In Seattle they just waited CHAZ out and then asked people to leave.
 
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Regular_Atheist said:
The best thing that could happen is for these protests to somehow become a more centralised and organised movement with clear demands, and eventually move beyond looting and individual rioting towards actually seizing political power and the process of production.
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Which would be a disaster economically and morally.
 
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