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That’s commentary and he’s wrong angels are known as sons of God and so are some humans but humans mating with humans cannot create giants.

As stated it’s only divine with humans that creates giants!
 
John121 said:
So you believe that angels don’t have bodies ? Are you for real !
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Angels do not have bodies. They do not have sexes. They do not mate with humans to create giants. That is not a realistic portrayal of St. Michael.

Are you Catholic?
 
Whoever says angels don’t have bodies is wrong ! They are spirits but they also have bodies how do you think they fight demons how do you think the war in heaven happened also do he not even remember that in the Old Testament a man wrestled with a angel were do people make up all this stuff!
 
John121 said:
That’s commentary and he’s wrong angels are known as sons of God
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That’s not Catholic theology.
John121 said:
but humans mating with humans cannot create giants.

As stated it’s only divine with humans that creates giants!
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Speaking of giants…
“Ver. 4. Giants. It is likely the generality of men before the flood were of a gigantic stature, in comparison with what men now are. But these here spoken of, are called giants, as being not only tall in stature, but violent and savage in their dispositions, and mere monsters of cruelty and lust. Ch. — Yet we need not imagine, that they were such as the poets describe, tearing up mountains, and hurling them against heaven. Being offspring of men, who had lived hitherto with great temperance, but now gave full scope to their passions, and the love of the fair daughters whom they chose, we need not wonder that they should be amazingly strong and violent. Nephilim, rushing on, as Ag. translates. That there have been giants of an unusual size, all historians testify. Og, Goliah, &c. are mentioned in Scripture, and the sons of Enac are represented as much above the common size, as the Hebrews were greater than grasshoppers. Num. xiii. 34. If we should suppose they were four or five times our size, would that be more wonderful that they should live nine or ten times as long as we do? See S. Aug. C. D. xv. 9. 23. Calmet’s Dissert. &c. Delrio affirms, that in 1572 he saw at Rouen, a native of Piedmont, above nine feet high. H. — Of old. The corruption of morals had commenced many ages ago, and some of the sons of Seth had given way to their lusts; so that we are not to suppose, that these giants were all born within a hundred years of the flood, as some might suppose from their being mentioned here, after specifying the age of Noe. C. v. 31. H.”
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By our baptisms we are sons and c daughters of God. If it takes a “son of God” to have sex with a “human”/pagan to make a giant, there should be giants walking the earth right now due to the thousands of inter-faith marriages. But there aren’t.

You really need to brush up on authentic Catholic theology. There isn’t a single piece of it that supports what you’re claiming.
John121 said:
They are spirits but they also have bodies how do you think they fight demons
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You realize demons don’t have bodies either, right? Demons are fallen angels. They’re pure spirits, just like angels.
John121 said:
a man wrestled with a angel were do people make up all this stuff!
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Because an angel took on the form of a human, the angel’s true form is a pure spirit. Heaven isn’t a physical place, how do you explain how they keep their bodies in a place where there literally is no physical space for it to occupy?
 
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And you know more than Aquinas and the Church? You can’t be serious. You have to be trolling. I’m done.
 
John121 said:
Nothing stated by the people here is catholic dogma just as a FYI
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Then go produce a quote from the CCC or any of the ECF where it talks about angels having corporal bodies and having sex with humans. Go find the dogmatic definition from any of the Popes proclaiming this. Go on. Find it. You saying it isn’t Catholic dogma doesn’t not make it Catholic dogma. Produce some sources to back up your assertion.
 
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A lot of what you are writing is opinions on people who have no experience with angels and I find this funny because ye are taking it as if these same people 100% know it to be true !
 
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John121 said:
A lot of what you are writing is opinions on people who have no experience with angels and I find this funny because he are taking it as if these same people 100% no it to be true !
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I’m waiting for your CCC/ECF/ex Cathedra reference. Go on. It should be easy to produce.
 
When you get to heaven ask for St Michael I’m sure he will explain it to you all in person till that time I guess you will have to keep a open mind on the subject !
 
John121 said:
When you get to heaven ask for St Michael I’m sure he will explain it to you all in person till that time I guess you will have to keep a open mind on the subject !
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So you have zero sources to back-up your non-Catholic interpretation of Catholic doctrine despite claiming that it’s Catholic. You rejected a respected Catholic Biblical commentary and Aquinas with zero basis. I did keep an open mind, which is why I side with Aquinas, a Doctor of the Church.
 
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John121 said:
I guess you will have to keep a open mind on the subject !
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No, not really. Your arguments have already been refuted quite effectively in this thread. I think perhaps you should keep an open mind and as a Catholic, read what other Catholics have written here. Hopefully, you will see that you are wrong on this subject.
 
Again … ask St Michael when you get to heaven does he have a physical body and also ask him about the giants created by fallen angels like the Bible says they were like grass hopers.!

St Thomas was not perfect and was not a angel so I would keep a open mind about human views on divine matters !
 
John121 said:
Again … ask St Michael when you get to heaven does he have a physical body
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I won’t have to. He won’t and I won’t (in Heaven). Again, how can he have a physical body in a non-physical space? There is literally no place for it to be. There is no space in Heaven to hold it. It’s a logical contradiction.
John121 said:
and also ask him about the giants created by fallen angels like the Bible says they were like grass hopers.!
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Again, angels don’t have a physical body, and neither do demons. The sons of God in that verse refers to humans. You have no evidence to support your interpretation. It’s also interesting that you’ve changed your tune from saying they’re angels to saying they’re demons. How can “sons of God” be demons? Where have demons (not simply angels) been described as sons of God in the Bible?
John121 said:
St Thomas was not perfect and was not a angel
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Ironic you should say that about “The Angelic Doctor”. Do you have to be perfect to be correct? We can understand God to be Triune but we can’t figure out if angels, who are lesser beings than God, are purely spirits?
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I would keep a open mind about human views on divine matters !
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Which is why I take the Catholic view on them.
 
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You seem to be stuck on your views you’ll find out one day.

As another couple of mystics predicted 3 days of darkness when demons will descend on earth and kill men women and children how would this be possible if they are just spirits !
 
I find it strange that you imagine heaven is not a physical place !

The very definition of heaven being a place means it’s a physical place, Jesus saying he has mansions there is a example of this.
 
Fauken said:
Again, how can he have a physical body in a non-physical space?
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Fauken I agree with everything you have said in this thread. But I’m not sure about this as it relates to humans. At the second coming and the general judgement when our glorified bodies are joined to our souls there will be human glorified bodies in heaven. Is the glorified body not considered physical in a way? Not the same as on Earth but physical in way.
 
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Fauken said:
It’s also interesting that you’ve changed your tune from saying they’re angels to saying they’re demons.
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Falling Angels are Demons and that’s what the Bible verse is describing them as sons of God who had falling from grace.
 
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