A Case for Once Saved Always Saved

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jmcrae said:
Our sins are forgiven by Christ on the Cross when we go to Confession. It is by means of the Sacrament of Reconciliation, which is what takes place in Confession, that our sins are taken to the Cross and washed away from our souls.

If you are already saved, then you already have forgiveness - you don’t need to seek it, since to be “saved” is to be already forgiven.
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Our sins are forgiven by Christ on the Cross, when we go to confession, sounds very vague:confused: Christ was on the Cross, once and only once(Hebrews 10:10-12). And all of us still sin, even after being saved, so we should confess our sins and thank Him for His forgiveness! We are constantly told to repent, and return to God. Remember the shepherd who lost one of his 100 sheep. He went to find it; he was not content with 99. Angels rejoice when one sinner returns to the fold(prodigal son also).
 
jmcrae said:
Our sins are forgiven by Christ on the Cross when we go to Confession. It is by means of the Sacrament of Reconciliation, which is what takes place in Confession, that our sins are taken to the Cross and washed away from our souls.

If you are already saved, then you already have forgiveness - you don’t need to seek it, since to be “saved” is to be already forgiven.
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So, at confession, do you say something like,“Forgive me father, for I have sinned?”
 
1beleevr said:
So, at confession, do you say something like,“Forgive me father, for I have sinned?”
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Some people do. In my case, I just make the Sign of the Cross and then tell my sins. 🙂

The priest has been given authority on earth to forgive sins by Christ in whose Person he stands.
 
1beleevr said:
Our sins are forgiven by Christ on the Cross, when we go to confession, sounds very vague:confused: Christ was on the Cross, once and only once(Hebrews 10:10-12).
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Right - and yet people are still being forgiven of their sins today.

I’m not sure what difference it makes, whether the power of the Cross washes your sins away when you say the Sinner’s Prayer at some particular moment, or when you confess each of your individual sins in the Confessional, since both of these events are taking place hundreds of years after Jesus died on the Cross.

But by the power of the Sacraments, time and space are compressed so that what we confess in the Confessional in Calgary today is forgiven on the Cross in Palestine in 33 AD.
And all of us still sin, even after being saved, so we should confess our sins and thank Him for His forgiveness! We are constantly told to repent, and return to God.
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Right, which is how we know that once saved always saved isn’t really true. 🙂
Remember the shepherd who lost one of his 100 sheep. He went to find it; he was not content with 99. Angels rejoice when one sinner returns to the fold(prodigal son also).
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Exactly - this is the power of the Sacrament of Reconciliation. 🙂
 
1beleevr said:
And yet,1Corinthians 3:15 says that even though we are tested as if by fire we will still be saved!
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Testing by fire of H.S. is good, it refines us, burning off the dross. The Prodigals are Judged … that causes them to reconsider their lives and return again to their first love, and to restore their salvation.
 
fbl9 said:
Yes i do, you fail to understand who the Father truly is in this case.
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Of course I know who my Father is; which is why I go to Him, instead of a priest, who is father to catholics! 1John 1:9, Hebrews 4:16:cool:
 
jmcrae said:
My friend must have been deeply deceived indeed, since he never got any “glory” out of his street ministry. He didn’t start earning any serious money, or start being approved of by his family and co-workers until after he became an atheist.
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Is he still alive? Perhaps he will yet recover … if truly one of the Elect, as you believe.
 
jmcrae said:
Right - and yet people are still being forgiven of their sins today.

I’m not sure what difference it makes, whether the power of the Cross washes your sins away when you say the Sinner’s Prayer at some particular moment, or when you confess each of your individual sins in the Confessional, since both of these events are taking place hundreds of years after Jesus died on the Cross.

But by the power of the Sacraments, time and space are compressed so that what we confess in the Confessional in Calgary today is forgiven on the Cross in Palestine in 33 AD.

Right, which is how we know that once saved always saved isn’t really true. 🙂

Exactly - this is the power of the Sacrament of Reconciliation. 🙂
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Actually, I believe that what we confess today, is forgiven today, in 2010. Jesus is no longer on the Cross, although some people like to wear a likeness of Him on their crosses:confused:
 
1beleevr said:
Actually, I believe that what we confess today, is forgiven today, in 2010. Jesus is no longer on the Cross, although some people like to wear a likeness of Him on their crosses:confused:
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I see you bring up your old dead horse again, it stinks get it out of here.
 
fbl9 said:
I see you don’t consider Catholics to have the same Father as you.
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Didn’t say that, oh “one who reads into things!” What I said, is that I can’t in good conscience, call a mortal man Father, father yes! When you are in confession, you are not alone with God, correct? So, why do you need to call the priest father, if you are talking to God? All of us Christians have the same Father,but catholics and some others call their preiests, and the pope, father.
 
1beleevr said:
The same Father I have known for all my life!👍
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Who do you think Catholics seek frogiveness from in the confessional? The very same Father.Can you grasp the father in the confessional is the face of Christ for the confessee?
 
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