A Catholic explanation of John 6

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again, the Catholic advantage is the teaching/learning first, and the Bible as the support evidence, not vice-versa/
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OH, Well that explains alot to me. Thank you:thumbsup:

The grace = life , can you show me in the bible where it says taking or doing the sacrements gives you grace.

I agree with you about grace=life Ephesians 2:8-9. But what I am looking for is where specifically is it in the bible that connects sacrements to receiving grace by taking them/doing them. You know me Im a bible freak so I need proof in God’s Word:D I am trying to find it but I cant.😦
 
ALLFORHIM said:
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OH, Well that explains alot to me. Thank you:thumbsup:

The grace = life , can you show me in the bible where it says taking or doing the sacrements gives you grace.

I agree with you about grace=life Ephesians 2:8-9. But what I am looking for is where specifically is it in the bible that connects sacrements to receiving grace by taking them/doing them. You know me Im a bible freak so I need proof in God’s Word:D I am trying to find it but I cant.😦
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I will “research” and try to help
 
My brothers and sisters, the essence of our Christian vocation consists in being “light” and “salt” for the world we live in. Let us not be afraid: “The Spirit comes to help us in our weakness” (Rom. 8,26).

This is found in the above link… I would call this “help” a grace… I have come to believe that everything is grace.
 
Does anyone know when exactly the sacraments were instituted into practice within the Catholic Church?
 
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My brothers and sisters, the essence of our Christian vocation consists in being “light” and “salt” for the world we live in. Let us not be afraid: “The Spirit comes to help us in our weakness” (Rom. 8,26).

This is found in the above link… I would call this “help” a grace… I have come to believe that everything is grace.
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Well, actually that is the HS that is helping you. We receive the HS through grace at the moment we become(treu) believers and step out into faith of who Jesus Christ is and what He did on the Cross. PTL the HS never leaves us as said in the following:

2Cr 1:22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.
Eph 1:13 In whom ye also [trusted], after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
14-who is a deposit guarenteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession-to the praise of His glory.
Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
AMEN!!

Notice where I bolded—we are His possession. :amen: :blessyou:
 
I was raised Catholic and at age 27 became a Prostestant. The Lutheran church I attend has communion and believe that it is the body and blood of Jesus. We have ‘open’ communtion; if you believe in the presence of Jesus in the sacrament, you are welcome to commune.

I know Catholics that believe communion is symbolic. We need to be careful and not sterotype all Protestants as well as stereotyping Catholics.

It is sad that there is such a great division between the denominations. Jesus prayed for unity. When we discuss theological differences, may we do it in the fruit of gentleness.
 
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ALLFORHIM;1906014:
try grace=life

again, the Catholic advantage is the teaching/learning first, and the Bible as the support evidence, not vice-versa
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I always thought that Fr. Scheeben had a particularly beautiful explanation of grace:
The Grace of God is a ray of divine beauty, infused by God into the soul of man. There it sheds such a bright and beautiful light that the soul delights the eye of God and is most tenderly loved by Him, it is adopted as His child and spouse and is elevated from earth to Heaven, above all the confines of nature. By grace the soul is received into the bosom of the Eternal Father, and together with the Divine Son, participates in the nature of the Father on this earth, and in His glory in the life to come.(
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The Glories of Divine Grace, Fr. Matthias Scheeben, page 3)
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donnak said:
I was raised Catholic and at age 27 became a Prostestant. The Lutheran church I attend has communion and believe that it is the body and blood of Jesus. We have ‘open’ communtion; if you believe in the presence of Jesus in the sacrament, you are welcome to commune.

I know Catholics that believe communion is symbolic. We need to be careful and not sterotype all Protestants as well as stereotyping Catholics.

It is sad that there is such a great division between the denominations. Jesus prayed for unity. When we discuss theological differences, may we do it in the fruit of gentleness.
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It’s a shame when a Catholic doesn’t know the Faith, or worse chooses to dissent from it even when known. 😦
 
donnak said:
I was raised Catholic and at age 27 became a Prostestant. The Lutheran church I attend has communion and believe that it is the body and blood of Jesus. We have ‘open’ communtion; if you believe in the presence of Jesus in the sacrament, you are welcome to commune.

I know Catholics that believe communion is symbolic. We need to be careful and not sterotype all Protestants as well as stereotyping Catholics.

It is sad that there is such a great division between the denominations. Jesus prayed for unity. When we discuss theological differences, may we do it in the fruit of gentleness.
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Just because an individual Catholic misunderstands Church teaching on a matter, doesn’t make THAT misunderstanding Church teaching! Likewise, the Lutheran understanding of “presence” in the Eucharist is different and not exchangable for Catholics. To state what the Church truly teaches on a matter is not “stereotyping” Catholics, it’s presenting the TRUE teaching of the Church…and btw, Catholicism is NOT a denomination…

Jennifer
 
Mickey said:
It’s all in the Scriptures. 👍
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But I thought the Church itself didn’t practice them until several years down the road?
Do you know where I can find some good information to find out what the CC was like during the time of Peter and the first few popes after him?
 
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It is sad that there is such a great division between the denominations. Jesus prayed for unity. When we discuss theological differences, may we do it in the fruit of gentleness.*
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Jennifer_J said:
Just because an individual Catholic misunderstands Church teaching on a matter, doesn’t make THAT misunderstanding Church teaching! Likewise, the Lutheran understanding of “presence” in the Eucharist is different and not exchangable for Catholics. To state what the Church truly teaches on a matter is not “stereotyping” Catholics, it’s presenting the TRUE teaching of the Church…and btw, Catholicism is NOT a denomination…

Jennifer
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Please take Donnak’s message to heart. Can we overlook some technicalities and get to the heart of the message?

May we do it in the fruit of gentleness…

Thanks Donnak!
 
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