A Catholic explanation of John 6

  • Thread starter Thread starter RNRobert
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
Jennifer_J said:
Just because an individual Catholic misunderstands Church teaching on a matter, doesn’t make THAT misunderstanding Church teaching! Likewise, the Lutheran understanding of “presence” in the Eucharist is different and not exchangable for Catholics. To state what the Church truly teaches on a matter is not “stereotyping” Catholics, it’s presenting the TRUE teaching of the Church…and btw, Catholicism is NOT a denomination…

Jennifer
Click to expand...
Agreed! Just a point of correction…Catholics DO NOT believe that Communion is symbolic, that is a protestant error. Catholics believe that at the moment of consecration the bread and wine become the actual Body and Blood of Our Lord Jesus Christ under the appearances of bread and wine. Not symbolic.Actual.
 
ALLFORHIM said:
QUOTE]

OH, Well that explains alot to me. Thank you:thumbsup:

The grace = life , can you show me in the bible where it says taking or doing the sacrements gives you grace.

I agree with you about grace=life Ephesians 2:8-9. But what I am looking for is where specifically is it in the bible that connects sacrements to receiving grace by taking them/doing them. You know me Im a bible freak so I need proof in God’s Word:D I am trying to find it but I cant.😦
Click to expand...
“Repent and be baptized and receive the gift of the Holy Spirit…” What is the gift of the Holy Spirit? We call this Grace.

Again, Grace is simply God dwelling within our souls.

"He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood will have Eternal Life.

Again, Eternal Life is God’s Grace. Since God is Love, we also call Grace a manifestation of His Love.

I’ll see if I can find more.

BTW, an altar call is most compatible with Confirmation, although Confirmation takes weeks of instruction (months is more accurate).
 
mrs_abbott said:
But I thought the Church itself didn’t practice them until several years down the road?
Do you know where I can find some good information to find out what the CC was like during the time of Peter and the first few popes after him?
Click to expand...
Yes, the Sacraments were part of the Developement of Faith. I think Mike Aqualina’s “Mass of the Early Christians” does very well explaining early church practices and teachings. It’s very easy to read, too.

I especially enjoyed reading how a lot of the early masses took place in the catecombs of Rome for fear of the Romans. It seems so poetic that the early Masses were often said on top of the bones of the martyrs that had fed the early Church.

How was it said? The blood of the martyrs is food for the Church?
 
Again, Grace is simply God dwelling within our souls.
Click to expand...
OH we believe the HS-Christ himself is dwelling in our souls. I guess that is the difference.

Again,
Eternal Life is God’s Grace
Click to expand...
I believe that eternal life is God’s gift that we can only have because of His grace.👍
My def. of grace is God’s unmerited favor and gifts to humanity. Im sure your is the same.
I’ll see if I can find more.
Click to expand...
Thank you:thumbsup:
BTW, an altar call is most compatible with Confirmation, although Confirmation takes weeks of instruction (months is more accurate).
Click to expand...
If you ask my daughters friends they would tell you it years and years of CCD:eek: LOL teenagers:rolleyes:
 
ALLFORHIM said:
OH we believe the HS-Christ himself is dwelling in our souls. I guess that is the difference.
Click to expand...
No, it’s the same. The actual misnomer is to claim that one of the Trinity dwells anywhere without the other two. So when the HS dwells within us, it’s actually the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

It think we say the “Holy Spirit” just so we can wrap our feeble mortal minds around it easier.
 
ALLFORHIM said:
My def. of grace is God’s unmerited favor and gifts to humanity. Im sure your is the same.
Click to expand...
Yes, His Love is unmerited (especially in my case!!!) and it is His gift to humanity that is able to sustain us!

You see, we’re not that far apart after all!!! If I could, I would jump for joy right now!!!
 
NotWorthy said:
Yes, His Love is unmerited (especially in my case!!!) and it is His gift to humanity that is able to sustain us!

You see, we’re not that far apart after all!!! If I could, I would jump for joy right now!!!
Click to expand...
:bounce: :dancing:
 
believers said:
Ok… I’ll play along. Jesus promised everlasting life to whosever believes on him.

Do any of these verses say anything about eating a wafer?

Jhn 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Jhn 5:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Jhn 6:47
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
Click to expand...
Yes, and those that believe will do the 'works of God" which means to apply this faith. Jesus gave us His Body and Blood to eat, and believing and partaking of this bread is the work of God - the application of that faith!

John 6:28-34
28 Then they said to him, “What must we do, to be doing the works of God?” 29 Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.” 30 So they said to him, “Then what sign do you do, that we may see, and believe you? What work do you perform? 31 Our fathers ate the manna in the wilderness; as it is written, ‘He gave them bread from heaven to eat.’” 32 Jesus then said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, it was not Moses who gave you the bread from heaven; my Father gives you the true bread from heaven. 33 For the bread of God is that which comes down from heaven, and gives life to the world.” 34 They said to him, “Lord, give us this bread always.”

He has given this bread to us “always” in the HOly Eucharist.
 
BrianH said:
😃
.
so according to you if you partake of the Eucharist you do not die?

So…you guys do not really think it eating the body and blood that gives you eternal life, it is being worthy enough to eat the body and blood that gives you eternal life??
Actually not arguing…yet…just trying to figure this one out, SEEMS like mental gymnastics but I am not be getting your point. Im trying…not being obtuse
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
 
believers said:
I believe the flesh of Jesus is most definitely eternal life. But, it’s definitely not a wafer.
Click to expand...
Ok, we have established that it is not a wafer. But, what IS that flesh He commanded us to “chew”?
 
BrianH said:
How can anyone believe that their soul is in their own body and they cannot see it but when Jesus the Son of God says that the bread and wine are His body and blood they won’t believe Him?!

Because that is not what they think it teaches
Click to expand...
Ok, so you reject the passages that were quoted here from the the Early Fathers, that represent the CAtholic teaching on the Holy Eucharist?
 
guanophore said:
Ok, so you reject the passages that were quoted here from the the Early Fathers, that represent the CAtholic teaching on the Holy Eucharist?
Click to expand...
I think there comes a time where you can just pray that our Lord opens their hearts and minds to see what has been standing before us for nearly 2000 years.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top