A Challenge to Our Intelligence.

[Leo_The_Lion_1]

A Challenge to Our Intelligence

That’s about another puzzle that has been insulting our intelligence for 2000 years: The Roman guards who were asked of Pilate to watch the tomb for three days.(Mat. 27:64)

According to the writer of the gospel of Matthew, the chief priests had to break the Sabbath and, worse than that, a Shabbaton, because it was the first day of Passover, the 14th of Nisan, to go deal with Pilate about surveillance of a dead in the graveyard.

This is an evidence that the guys who wrote the gospels had a very poor knowledge of Jewish culture and customs to picture religious Jewish priests dealing with Pilate on that Sabbath for a group of soldiers to guard the tomb and to prevent anyone from desecrating it.

So, those priests were supposed to take those soldiers to the graveyard, which priests were forbidden to enter, especially on the Sabbath, and do the physical work to seal the tombstone. And all during that Shabbaton.

When that Sabbath was over, which in Israel is at sunset, the same gospel writer sends some women to the tomb with the purpose to anoint Jesus’ body. The man had probably forgotten the guards to prevent the approach of any suspect.

The women had one thought in mind only: Who would remove the tombstone. No one thought about how to fight the soldiers to approach the tomb. Obviously they would know they were there. Evidently, the three days they were supposed to watch the tomb turned out to be one.

When the women got there the place was deserted. Instead of the guards, the author reports about an earthquake, when an angel came down from heaven and removed the stone; but the women could not do their job, because there was no one in the tomb; Jesus was not there. Even the angel had been cheated form being an eyewitness.

Obviously, Jesus had been removed from that tomb even before the guards had been settled at the area to watch.

Then the soldiers that the women had not seen at the tomb, appeared at the house of the priests to say that the tomb was empty and of course, to get a good bribe with the advice to spread around that while they were sleeping, Jesus’ disciples had come by night and stolen the body. That’s the insult to the intelligence even of a moron, let alone to those who have a mind to think.

How could intelligent Jews give such an advice? How could the soldiers know that the tomb robbers had been Jesus’ disciples if they had been sleeping? What about Roman military discipline? The soldiers would all be executed according to Roman military laws. Josephus, who would go down to small details even of family intrigues, never mentioned a word about such a thing.

That’s the puzzle that has been insulting our intelligence for too long. Any suggestions?

Ben

Idiot the Sabbath is from sun down to sun down does any have a Barf Bag for his post

 

[Lapell]

**Would you please provide quotations to prove that the Jewish leaders killed Jesus, Isaiah and other Prophets, except for Jezabel the Pagan wife of King Ahab? **

Why do you include Jezabel? Was she known as a prophet of the God of Israel? I thought she wasn’t.

 

[Lapell]

1987

And you can’t provide us with any other source published prior to that year? That’s not very solid proof, then, if you don’t rely on anything else…

 

[cthulhubryan]

**There is no “however,” you have answered your own question to me.

And what are you talking about by American Presidents not being killed by American leaders? We never know who was behind the guy who pulled the trigger.**

Ben,

Once again you miss the point. Presidents have been killed by Americans, this is true. Just as Jesus was killed by the Sanhedrin. We can venture into all kinds of conspiracy theories as to who set up the assassins to kill Presidents, but it was Americans who did it.

We can come up with all kinds of conspiracy theories about why the Jews killed Jesus, but it doesn’t change the facts of the case.

An American using a soviet made rifle to kill an American President is still an American President being killed by an American, not a soviet.

The Son of God being killed by the Sanhedrin using a roman made weapon (Pilate) still means that the Son of God was killed by the Sanhedrin, not the Romans.

 

[cthulhubryan]

**That’s from the book, “The Bar Kochba Legacy” by Joseph Mendson, a book I just happened to find here in the Public Library, and read it. **

Oh Great. Simon bar Kokhba. Great ploy there Ben.

bar Kokhba (also bar Kochba) was a militant Jew who declared himself the messiah in the early AD 130’s. His basis was the fact that his name means Simon son of the Star.

The Jewish Christians (or Nazarenes as Ben likes to cal them) did not greet Simon as anything other than a rabble rouser. Once he gained power ALL Jewish Christians were banished from Jerusalem. Therefore the idea that 1/3 of them were killed in Simon’s ill fated putsch is ridiculous.

Once Simon’s little idea had run it’s course over a half a million people (mainly Jews) were dead and Rome decided to stamp out Judaism and thus caused yet more of the diaspora.

For those keeping track at home, Jesus the real Messiah came and was killed by the Sanhedrin after raising some people from the dead. He then was resurrected from the dead by God the Father and thus all of mankind may be saved.

Simon bar Kochba, the “Jewish Messiah” came, got over 500,000 people killed and he himself was killed.

Certainly some of Ben’s “Nazarenes” were killed but the Romans were after Jews, not Christians and these “Nazarenes” were Christians, despite Ben playing the race card.

 

[Ben_Masada]

Idiot the Sabbath is from sun down to sun down does any have a Barf Bag for his post

The Sabbath from sundown to sundown is for idiots like you. I am talking about the Jewish account of the Sabbath being from sunset to sunset. I thought ad hominems were forbidden in this forum. But I think you enjoy to be treated like an idiot. Otherwise, you would not invite the treatment by treating others the way you are.

 

[Ben_Masada]

Ben,

Once again you miss the point. Presidents have been killed by Americans, this is true. Just as Jesus was killed by the Sanhedrin. We can venture into all kinds of conspiracy theories as to who set up the assassins to kill Presidents, but it was Americans who did it.

We can come up with all kinds of conspiracy theories about why the Jews killed Jesus, but it doesn’t change the facts of the case.

An American using a soviet made rifle to kill an American President is still an American President being killed by an American, not a soviet.

The Son of God being killed by the Sanhedrin using a roman made weapon (Pilate) still means that the Son of God was killed by the Sanhedrin, not the Romans.

Jesus’ verdict was written on that plate Pilate nailed on the top of Jesus’ cross. That was a crime against Rome and not against Israel. Therefore, the Hellenistic Gentiles who accused the Jews with killing Jesus were antisemitic rogues at work for Paul, the man who fabricated the policy of Replacement Theology. Read Galatians 4:21-31.

 

[Ben_Masada]

Oh Great. Simon bar Kokhba. Great ploy there Ben. bar Kokhba (also bar Kochba) was a militant Jew who declared himself the messiah in the early AD 130’s. His basis was the fact that his name means Simon son of the Star.

 

[Lapell]

The Sabbath from sundown to sundown is for idiots like you. I am talking about the Jewish account of the Sabbath being from sunset to sunset. I thought ad hominems were forbidden in this forum. But I think you enjoy to be treated like an idiot. Otherwise, you would not invite the treatment by treating others the way you are.

“The way you are”… you mean, the way you see us. God has much better eyes than any one of us, you included, Y. Yeah, sometimes we may sound and act in an idiotic way. It happens. But that doesn’t necessarily make us (or at least even some of us) idiots, Y.
And if some use the word “sundown” while you would use “sunset” for the very same thing, please explain us why your use is more “intelligent” than our friend’s here…

 

[Lapell]

Jesus’ verdict was written on that plate Pilate nailed on the top of Jesus’ cross. That was a crime against Rome and not against Israel. Therefore, the Hellenistic Gentiles who accused the Jews with killing Jesus were antisemitic rogues at work for Paul, the man who fabricated the policy of Replacement Theology. Read Galatians 4:21-31.

Yeah, Paul, whom Peter calls “our dear brother Paul” in his second letter, chapter 3, v.15… a sure sign they did not preach the same Gospel, of course!!!

 

[cthulhubryan]

** And the year was 133/4 CE and not early 130’s.**

Ben, in what mathematical waste land is 133 not in the early 130’s? It’s not the mid 130’s like 135 or 136 and not the late 130’s like 138 or 139. Get real

Now let’s get into more of Ben’s lies for the Bennonite community. (Remember that by calling him a Bennonite or Bennite we have invented his religion just as Paul ‘invented’ Christianity by calling it that.)
"Cthulhubryan:

Once Simon’s little idea had run it’s course over a half a million people (mainly Jews) were dead and Rome decided to stamp out Judaism and thus caused yet more of the diaspora.

So, I said that the diaspora was a direct result of bar Kochba’s revolt. That is all I said. Ben, the racist, responded this way:

For the happiness of Christianity. But we haven’t fallen. Judaism is still alive and kicking. And Rome is gone. And you can’t stand that.

Which has nothing to do with my post.

Then Ben rants on with this comment:

Prove it! You can’t prove the resurrection because there was no eyewitness at all. And Jesus never resurrected anyone because this is against the Scriptures and the natural laws. The Sanhedrin did not kill Jesus because the charge for his crucifixion was written on that plate by Pilate on the top of Jesus’ cross. That was a crime against Rome; not against Israel. So, to accuse the Jews of something the Romans did is fase and antisemitic.

Once again Ben misses reality. Ben wants you to believe that only he can understand scripture and thus he makes the above lies. Ben goes back to the lie that Jesus was killed by the Romans of their own actions when the record clearly states that the Sanhedrin asked Rome to kill Jesus. By Ben’s “logic” if he shoots a little girl with a H&K submachine gun firing winchester ammo then it is either the fault of Heckler and Koch for making the gun or winchester for writing their name on the bullet.

The Ben goes own with this sad tirade

**Neither he nor Jesus was the Messiah. One does not become the Messiah just because another proclaimed him so. **

Clearly bar Kochba was not the Messiah, but Jesus was and the stiff necks of Bennonites does not change that.

Then I claimed that Ben played the race card and he responded with this diatribe:

You are not serious! You just want to waste people’s time.

So, was I wrong? Let’s look at Ben’s own words.

**I know that not all of the descendants of Abraham follow Judaism. But there is a difference between the “Servant Hagar” and the “Princess Sarah.”

There is no such a thing as hyphenated Jews. One is either a Jew or a Catholic. And
“Messianic Jews” are Christians and not Jews.

Regarding the “propaganda” that one must follow Judaism to be a Jew is not accurate. We have many secular Jews who do not follow the religion. But as long as they don’t adopt another, they can keep their Jewish identification.**

So, if one is an atheist Jew (or Bennite) then one is still a Jew? This means that you are talking about race. Not about religion. Therefore Ben plays the race card. Also, the above argument by Ben completely destroys his own fallacy that the Jewish people are the messiah of Isaiah because Ben claims that they can be that AND be atheist.

For more of Ben’s racist spewing let’s look at this:

**
Now, with regards to the two giant religions: Islam and Christianity, let me ask you a question, although you won’t like to answer. How many little stones are there in our Planet? Millions? Billions? Kind of hard to count. That’s you: Christians and Muslims. Now, tell me, how many precious stones are there in our Planet? Not many, perhaps 14 million? That’s us. Mind you that these 14 million of precious stones share half of all Nobel Prices. The other half we alow the other six billion of the rest of Mankind to share. Now, do you understand the difference between stones and precious stones?**

Okay, let’s replace ‘precious stone’ with Aryan and stones with ‘mongrel races’ and what do you get?
Hmmm, sounds quite a bit like Ben is saying ‘We are the Master Race!’

 

[Ben_Masada]

“The way you are”… you mean, the way you see us. God has much better eyes than any one of us, you included, Y. Yeah, sometimes we may sound and act in an idiotic way. It happens. But that doesn’t necessarily make us (or at least even some of us) idiots, Y.
And if some use the word “sundown” while you would use “sunset” for the very same thing, please explain us why your use is more “intelligent” than our friend’s here…

**Lapell, you have the habit to pick up other people’s posts and to misunderstand them as you have just done with this one. I didn’t mean you all. In fact, I regret to have paid him back with the same coin. I should have reported him to the Moderator for his ad hominem.
From now on I will never pick up a post of yours that I had not written to you. **

 

[Ben_Masada]

Originally Posted by Ben Masada

Now, with regards to the two giant religions: Islam and Christianity, let me ask you a question, although you won’t like to answer. How many little stones are there in our Planet? Millions? Billions? Kind of hard to count. That’s you: Christians and Muslims. Now, tell me, how many precious stones are there in our Planet? Not many, perhaps 14 million? That’s us. Mind you that these 14 million of precious stones share half of all Nobel Prices. The other half we alow the other six billion of the rest of Mankind to share. Now, do you understand the difference between stones and precious stones?

Okay, let’s replace ‘precious stone’ with Aryan and stones with ‘mongrel races’ and what do you get?
Hmmm, sounds quite a bit like Ben is saying ‘We are the Master Race!’

**Well my friend, don’t blame me for opening the pages of a book for you to read. I didn’t write it. If you don’t want to face the reality that the Jewish People enjoy a special place in the Counsel of God, keep your Bible closed and never read a line of it, because it is written all over.

Did you hear this week about who won the Nobel Prize on Chemistry? Another Jew, and for that matter, an Israeli Jew. Oh! I know. Perhaps you do know all these things but you want them buried in the pages of books and never brought to light. Why? Does reality hurt that hard?**

 

[cthulhubryan]

**Well my friend, don’t blame me for opening the pages of a book for you to read. I didn’t write it. If you don’t want to face the reality that the Jewish People enjoy a special place in the Counsel of God, keep your Bible closed and never read a line of it, because it is written all over.

**

True, no one here will argue that. Well, maybe the Muslims. But you fail to comprehend is that Christians are also inheritors of that place.

 

[Ben_Masada]

True, no one here will argue that. Well, maybe the Muslims. But you fail to comprehend is that Christians are also inheritors of that place.

Well Cthulhubryan, I am happy to confess that it is getting much better. I expected you to tell me that Christians had replaced the Jews on that one. “Also inheritors of that place” is quite a change. I think we can recommend you for a peace Nobel Prize.

 

[Lapell]

**Lapell, you have the habit to pick up other people’s posts and to misunderstand them as you have just done with this one. I didn’t mean you all. In fact, I regret to have paid him back with the same coin. I should have reported him to the Moderator for his ad hominem.
From now on I will never pick up a post of yours that I had not written to you. **

If you had only our friend, you probably should have been more specific. Anyhow, had anyone of us had said what you said to another Jew, wouldn’t you have flown to his rescue and defended him (maybe not exactly the way I did, but some way close to it)?
Anyhow, there IS an objective difference between saying idiotic things and being an idiot. "Don’t call anyone “Raqa”. "

 

[Lapell]

**Well my friend, don’t blame me for opening the pages of a book for you to read. I didn’t write it. If you don’t want to face the reality that the Jewish People enjoy a special place in the Counsel of God, keep your Bible closed and never read a line of it, because it is written all over.

Did you hear this week about who won the Nobel Prize on Chemistry? Another Jew, and for that matter, an Israeli Jew. Oh! I know. Perhaps you do know all these things but you want them buried in the pages of books and never brought to light. Why? Does reality hurt that hard?**

And my understanding is that those who choose the Nobel Prize winners are not even Jews!

 

[Ben_Masada]

If you had only our friend, you probably should have been more specific. Anyhow, had anyone of us had said what you said to another Jew, wouldn’t you have flown to his rescue and defended him (maybe not exactly the way I did, but some way close to it)?
Anyhow, there IS an objective difference between saying idiotic things and being an idiot. "Don’t call anyone “Raqa”. "

Well, you might have a point in there somewhere. I apologize.

 

[Lapell]

Well, you might have a point in there somewhere. I apologize.

O.K.! Apology accepted.

 

[Splinker]

Dearest Ben, what did Isaiah do to deserve being cut in half? How many other prophets committed terrible crimes to deserve the deaths they received at the hands of Jews?

Jews cut Isaiah in half? I assume you are referring to the reference (in the Talmud, I believe, as there’s no mention of Isaih’s death anywhere else) that King Manasseh is responsible for Isaiah’s death. I hardly think, assuming we agree this is the case, that the Jews should be blamed for killing Isaiah. Manasseh is condemened in Kings for his behavior. Specifically for bringing back pagan worship to the Temple.