A Christian challenge

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Facts. Birth records, Death certifacets, Even grave stones and Pictures of them. so please I’m asking you FACTS not FAITH
What you’re asking for can’t be produced for many ancient historical figures. There were no pictures or birth certificates. At least none that would survive 2,000 years. We do, however, have as much proof for Jesus existing as we do many other people from that time period.
 
Yes, but can you get people to follow you? Can you personally work miracles? maybe if I was back then

** Conceded. Certain pagan** sects (note: not Neopagans) did have miracles, which were granted by God. These miracles were granted only so far as they were in accordance with the will of the true god, however, and aren’t proof of paganism as St. Francis de Sales states, quoting St. Augustine.

“In the same manner were some wonders done amongst the Pagans, says S. Augustine, not in proof of Paganism, but of innocence, virginity, fidelity, which, wherever they are, are loved and valued by God who is the author thereof. Further, these wonders are done but rarely, and from them no conclusion can be drawn the clouds sometimes give forth light, but it is only the sun which has for its mark and property the giving of light.”

Uhm…also St. Augustine started the Witch hunts saying “all pagans,heretics, and jews will burn forever”

How are your beliefs from the druids? What evidence do you have of them, and how do you know them so much better than the archaeologists? Really, I can show you apostolic sucession, but your religion, only points back to people like Crowely and unsubstantiated claims of “ancient traditions”. How old is your holy book? The bible can be traced back much further I’m sure. I don’t have a holy book, I’ve done my reserch as far as I can. I’ve prayed the the celtic Gods, and I’ve gotten more back from then than your Gods
I just justified my beliefs, you haven’t. I showed apostolic sucession, miracles, age. Yours is new, and unfounded.

You havn’t justified your belief, no more than i have or ever can. and no matter what you will not change me, until I see the bones of Christ and can hold them in my own hands beyond a shadow of doubt that this is " the one true and only god’s son" then you’ll be no better than me

Catholig
 
Now this isn’t every Pagan idea of what happens but I bealive you get what you ask for, If your a christian and you want to go to heaven, thats where you end up at if you uphold the laws to your religion.

Me, I bealive in re-encarnation, soo you can be up in the clouds and I’ll be back here 🙂
Okay, doctrine aside Christianity is true. Christ was a real person. His desciples were real people. So the Bible is God’s word but it also contains history, real world history. Things that are written in the Bible can and have been proven scientificly. Not everything, but enough to make it credible.
Christianity isn’t just believing in a bunch of rules and regulations. Its about Christ. We have faith in Christ. Christ is our rule of faith, He is truth.

I hope this makes sense. Okay, my brain hurts. This is too deep a subject for this late hour.

I’m going to bed.
 
What you’re asking for can’t be produced for many ancient historical figures. There were no pictures or birth certificates. At least none that would survive 2,000 years. We do, however, have as much proof for Jesus existing as we do many other people from that time period.
People have found bones and skelton remains from over 4,000 years ago. So far, none with the label “Jesus” marked to it
 
I just justified my beliefs, you haven’t. I showed apostolic sucession, miracles, age. Yours is new, and unfounded.

You havn’t justified your belief, no more than i have or ever can. and no matter what you will not change me, until I see the bones of Christ and can hold them in my own hands beyond a shadow of doubt that this is " the one true and only god’s son" then you’ll be no better than me

Catholig
If you could hold the bones of christ that would prove that he wasn’t God (for his body was assumed into heaven). In any case can you please show me the history of paganism. Really when were these “ancient” “druid” beliefs rediscovered? How old is your holy book?

At least I can prove that Jesus existed…

Catholig
 
Facts. Birth records, Death certifacets, Even grave stones and Pictures of them. so please I’m asking you FACTS not FAITH
So go back further into your family cody

Bet you don’t have birth certificates for your ancestors.

Fact is they didn’t have certificates back then

Pictures of Jesus?? I guess the Apostles forgot to take their digital cameras that they bought off ebay with them when they went out with Jesus preaching.
 
Okay, doctrine aside Christianity is true. Christ was a real person. His desciples were real people. So the Bible is God’s word but it also contains history, real world history. Things that are written in the Bible can and have been proven scientificly. Not everything, but enough to make it credible.
Christianity isn’t just believing in a bunch of rules and regulations. Its about Christ. We have faith in Christ. Christ is our rule of faith, He is truth.

I hope this makes sense. Okay, my brain hurts. This is too deep a subject for this late hour.

I’m going to bed.
Doctrine aside? you haven’t given me one credible thing, nor has any of these posts to prove outside of the realm of Christianity that it’s true, I’ve reserched everything in the bible that might sound credible and so far nothing has come up that is scientifically proven to be God’s work
 
People have found bones and skelton remains from over 4,000 years ago. So far, none with the label “Jesus” marked to it
Because He rose from the dead. Lack of bones means nothing and by your standard, there are other historical figures that we would have to call into question.
 
Because He rose from the dead. Lack of bones means nothing and by your standard, there are other historical figures that we would have to call into question.
Lack of bones, It can be explained in any number of theroies i.e. (grave robbers, fanatics who wanted the bones, ect.) still doesn’t prove physically that he rose from the dead.
 
Doctrine aside? you haven’t given me one credible thing, nor has any of these posts to prove outside of the realm of Christianity that it’s true, I’ve reserched everything in the bible that might sound credible and so far nothing has come up that is scientifically proven to be God’s work
And nothing can be scientifically disproven, either. Hmm…
 
Lack of bones, It can be explained in any number of theroies i.e. (grave robbers, fanatics who wanted the bones, ect.) still doesn’t prove physically that he rose from the dead.
And your explanations don’t explain why the Apostles would die for this belief.
 
People have found bones and skelton remains from over 4,000 years ago. So far, none with the label “Jesus” marked to it
You’re certain that Christians can’t be certain. And you’re certain you can’t be either.

You’ve dug yourself into a hole (of non-logic)
 
reborn_pagan

Tell us then how you have proof that your gods exist, please.
 
And your explanations don’t explain why the Apostles would die for this belief.
One word…fanaticism…It’s in almost every relgion

muslim extremist (the suicide bombings)
japanese who fallowed bushido (killed themselves for there failure)

its all fanaticism.
 
Uhm…also St. Augustine started the Witch hunts saying “all pagans,heretics, and jews will burn forever”
Did he really say that? Can I have a source? Because I thought that Augustine valued the Jews, using them as proof to convert the pagans.

Catholig
 
reborn_pagan

Tell us then how you have proof that your gods exist, please.
This is the problem for Reborn_pagan. Claiming to be both certain of many gods, and yet not so. Claiming that we Christians can’t be certain about our god, but pagans can be certain about theres (and also NOT! at the same time). It’s a really weird thing to believe in.
 
One word…fanaticism…It’s in almost every relgion

muslim extremist (the suicide bombings)
japanese who fallowed bushido (killed themselves for there failure)

its all fanaticism.
Are you equating taking a stand and dying for one’s belief with taking a stand and killing others for one’s belief?

So, if I threw myself in the path of a truck and saved you, I’d be exactly the same as the person willfully trying to drive you down*!

Your ideas are getting stranger

*-assuming both our actions are based on our beliefs, in this case I acting as a Christian, and the driver acting as a Moslem seeking to rid the world of one more Muhammed-insulting-heathen
 
This is the problem for Reborn_pagan. Claiming to be both certain of many gods, and yet not so. Claiming that we Christians can’t be certain about our god, but pagans can be certain about theres (and also NOT! at the same time). It’s a really weird thing to believe in.
Okay, I have this must trust in my relgion that I’ll put it on the line…Prove to me beyond any and I mean any shadow of a doubt that mines are false and yours arn’t. without using one word of christianity.

Then I will join in your relgion.
 
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