A comment on the Holy Father’s Mass at Nationals Stadium [Fr. Z]

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I don’t know precisely what is planned for the Mass in NYC. Perhaps it is the intention of the organizers to counter-balanced some of what we saw and heard in Washington.

I have live feed from the USCCB (they talk *way *too much) and also CTV.

Some of the music for the Mass in Nationals Stadium was simply dreadful. For example, the Responsorial Psalm… well… it reminded me of something one might hear during an episode of The Twilight Zone taking place at a carnival.

In no way am I faulting the musicians, who were clearly well-trained and, obviously, focused for this event. They did their part, I think.

I must ask why the very best music was reserved for *before *the Mass began, for example, when the emense choir sang Tu es Petrus or the whole stadium sang Grosser Gott wir loben Dich? Tremendous! But as Mass went on, it was fairly clear that they got all the obviously Catholic music out of the way at the beginning.

The Mass seemed over consciously multi-cultural. To my mind, it was terribly self-conscious. I had the feeling that this was a stage event, a show moving from one episode to another, at least until the Eucharistic Prayer began. Then it settled down a bit.

The distribution of Communion was, under the circumstances, fairly ordlerly, I suppose. Communion was given in the hand even by the Holy Father. The yellow umbrellas over the priests with the ciboria not only marked the station but acted as a kind of ombrellino.

But what was that horrible caterwalling during Communion? It might be partly because we were hearing the live feed and it was overly amplified, but… oh my.

It is almost as if the organizers of this Mass had never read a single thing of what Joseph Ratzinger has written about sacred music and liturgy.

I am not bothered by some Spanish or other enthic expressions, but this was so self-conscious, so multi-culturally in your face, so much like a show tune review.

Then there was a token handful of dirt thrown out with a phrase form Ubi caritas.

It was terribly distracting.

Even when the great Placido Domingo sand Panis angelicus, every bit as well as one would desire, it still gave me the impression that this was the next moment in the review.

At the end of Mass I was somewhat amazed to hear that the Pontiff was to bless a cornerstone for a new High School to be called “John Paul the GREAT”. So, this seems to be a sort of approbation of that title. I wonder how this fits with the cause for beatification.

I did enjoy watching the Pope go into the dug out at Nationals Stadium.

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Are we not a multi-cultural Catholic Church??? Don’t let cultural bias stand in the way of liturgy.
Prayers & Blessings
Deacon Ed B
 
It was the most irreverent Papal Mass I had every seen due to the imappropriateness of some of the Music.

The organizers clearly ignored what the Pope expects in the liturhy from the music.

Some Music ministers wrongly try to entertain, rather then setting a deep reverent mode in the Mass.
 
Are we not a multi-cultural Catholic Church??? Don’t let cultural bias stand in the way of liturgy.
Prayers & Blessings
Deacon Ed B
Deacon Ed B that is what I kept telling myself as I listened to this on the radio…it is the Mass, we are a multi-cultural Church, this is the Mass, we are a multi-cultural Church…

I don’t know if you had a chance to watch or listen to it but even I was distracted and I prefer the NO, as a matter of fact I really like the bi-lingual Mass we have in my Parish with the music being very Hispanic! Yet, this Mass that I only got to hear a part of was, well odd to say the very least:o.

Brenda V.
 
Oh Dear God! The Mass was glorious!

I feel very badly for anyone – including this priest who feels compelled to carp about what was a gorgeous event.

Something is definitely broken here – and it wasn’t with today’s Papal Mass.
 
Are we not a multi-cultural Catholic Church??? Don’t let cultural bias stand in the way of liturgy.
Prayers & Blessings
Deacon Ed B
It was a great Mass! I feel sorry for those who focus on the negative. I cannot imagine what their lives must be like.
 
Are we not a multi-cultural Catholic Church??? Don’t let cultural bias stand in the way of liturgy.
Prayers & Blessings
Deacon Ed B
Of course we are multi-cultural.

And of course there are approved Rites in the Catholic Church.

But you push the envelope way too far if you think that the liturgy shown to the world today is from any…ANY… approved Rite of the Catholic Church.

An affront to vertical liturgy, deacon. Perhaps you should admonish Cardinal Arinze, telling him culture sets the tone for liturgy.

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Oh Dear God! The Mass was glorious!

I feel very badly for anyone – including this priest who feels compelled to carp about what was a gorgeous event.

Something is definitely broken here – and it wasn’t with today’s Papal Mass.
As commendable as certain parts of the Mass were, the musical choices, especially during the offertory were offensive and unbefitting of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.

The fact that there are people who didn’t find it troubling in the least is clear evidence of the profound decline of the Catholic Church and the loss of the meaning of liturgy.
 
As commendable as certain parts of the Mass were, the musical choices, especially during the offertory were offensive and unbefitting of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.

The fact that there are people who didn’t find it troubling in the least is clear evidence of the profound decline of the Catholic Church and the loss of the meaning of liturgy.
So well said. 👍 Well done!!!
 
Yeah, if you want the Mass to resemble your middle-of-the-road protestant service, and not resemble anything remotely Catholic.
All I can say to a remark like this is to best say nothing at all.
Prayers and blessings
Deacon Ed B
 
It was the most irreverent Papal Mass I had every seen due to the imappropriateness of some of the Music.

The organizers clearly ignored what the Pope expects in the liturhy from the music.

Some Music ministers wrongly try to entertain, rather then setting a deep reverent mode in the Mass.
As I recall, the Pope sent his own organizers over to manage the event and avoid the problems of the past. :rolleyes:
 
As commendable as certain parts of the Mass were, the musical choices, especially during the offertory were offensive and unbefitting of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.

The fact that there are people who didn’t find it troubling in the least is clear evidence of the profound decline of the Catholic Church and the loss of the meaning of liturgy.
I still feel very badly for:

1.) Those who feel they somehow know more about choosing music, etc. than anyone else. Talk about abject arrogance. It’s nice to know there are plenty of other experts who would denigrate their choices as well.

2.) Those who focus their time on attacking this Mass. Sheeesh, maybe the good father should have written what he found pleasing about the Mass?

Exceedingly sad.
 
All I can say to a remark like this is to best say nothing at all.
Prayers and blessings
Deacon Ed B
After reading the lady’s comments who felt she could simply ignore the 1983 version of the Code of Canons for the (in her words) “more orthodox” 1917 edition, these sorta comments no longer amaze me.

We are in the ecclesiastical twilight zone around here… :cool:
 
I still feel very badly for:

1.) Those who feel they somehow know more about choosing music, etc. than anyone else. Talk about abject arrogance. It’s nice to know there are plenty of other experts who would denigrate their choices as well.

2.) Those who focus their time on attacking this Mass. Sheeesh, maybe the good father should have written what he found pleasing about the Mass?

Exceedingly sad.
Then you feel very badly for Pope Benedict. He has written very clear directives on what music is appropriate for Mass and what is not.
These people totally disobeyed the Pope.
 
I can only comment on the Mass up to the proclamation of the Gospel. With the exception of the music I thought it was very good. As a musician I found the music to be less than what I would have expected for any Mass, let alone a papal Mass. Since the Holy Father has made his expectations of sacred music clear through his actions at the Vatican I am surprised that the organizers did what they did.

Deacon Ed
 
My toddler was jumping up and down, dancing up a storm during the Mass. Judging from the reaction my kid got, can I arrive at some logical conclusion about the music in today’s National Park Mass?
 
I really don’t think the Mass could have been celebrated in a manner that would have kept the “experts” from slicing into it.

Let’s see if the Bronx is any better…
 
I don’t know precisely what is planned for the Mass in NYC. Perhaps it is the intention of the organizers to counter-balanced some of what we saw and heard in Washington.
One can only hope so.
I have live feed from the USCCB (they talk *way *too much) and also CTV.

Some of the music for the Mass in Nationals Stadium was simply dreadful. For example, the Responsorial Psalm… well… it reminded me of something one might hear during an episode of The Twilight Zone taking place at a carnival.

In no way am I faulting the musicians, who were clearly well-trained and, obviously, focused for this event. They did their part, I think.

I must ask why the very best music was reserved for *before *the Mass began, for example, when the emense choir sang Tu es Petrus or the whole stadium sang Grosser Gott wir loben Dich? Tremendous! But as Mass went on, it was fairly clear that they got all the obviously Catholic music out of the way at the beginning.

The Mass seemed over consciously multi-cultural. To my mind, it was terribly self-conscious. I had the feeling that this was a stage event, a show moving from one episode to another, at least until the Eucharistic Prayer began.
It was an overly preening attempt to be ‘multi-cultural’ and ended up being a hopless mess. The people who do this are so out of touch with reality that they cannot see how horrible things like this will turn out. They have only their fantasy of what they want and can’t recognize that they are overly complicating it to the point of destroying the beauty and sanctity of the Mass.
The distribution of Communion was, under the circumstances, fairly ordlerly, I suppose. Communion was given in the hand even by the Holy Father. The yellow umbrellas over the priests with the ciboria not only marked the station but acted as a kind of ombrellino.

But what was that horrible caterwalling during Communion? It might be partly because we were hearing the live feed and it was overly amplified, but… oh my.

It is almost as if the organizers of this Mass had never read a single thing of what Joseph Ratzinger has written about sacred music and liturgy.
It is clear they either haven’t or that they were being in-your-face obnoxiously disobedient.
I am not bothered by some Spanish or other enthic expressions, but this was so self-conscious, so multi-culturally in your face, so much like a show tune review.

Then there was a token handful of dirt thrown out with a phrase form Ubi caritas.

It was terribly distracting.

Even when the great Placido Domingo sand Panis angelicus, every bit as well as one would desire, it still gave me the impression that this was the next moment in the review.

At the end of Mass I was somewhat amazed to hear that the Pontiff was to bless a cornerstone for a new High School to be called “John Paul the GREAT”. So, this seems to be a sort of approbation of that title. I wonder how this fits with the cause for beatification.

I did enjoy watching the Pope go into the dug out at Nationals Stadium.

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