A contraception poll. Catholics only, please!

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Please participate in the poll if you are a Catholic only. You need not be married. If you are separated or widowed, choose what you USED to do.

Please explain your answer below if you wish to discuss.
 
The Church’s moral teachings are moral truths, not choices among many equal things.

I find that the “USA Today” poll mentality really offensive. As if it is OK to choose whatever one wishes. It is not a matter for opinion The Church’s teaching is a truth, which we are to embrace.

The false idea that the “percent” of Catholics who think or do this-or-that is indicative of where Church teaching should or will go is harmful.

I don’t think this mentality should be encouraged here.

Just MHO.
 
1ke said:
The Church’s moral teachings are moral truths, not choices among many equal things.

I find that the “USA Today” poll mentality really offensive. As if it is OK to choose whatever one wishes. It is not a matter for opinion The Church’s teaching is a truth, which we are to embrace.

The false idea that the “percent” of Catholics who think or do this-or-that is indicative of where Church teaching should or will go is harmful.

I don’t think this mentality should be encouraged here.

Just MHO.
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I’m not encouraging anything, just curious to know where CAF members stand on this issue. Thank you for participating.
 
1ke said:
The Church’s moral teachings are moral truths, not choices among many equal things.

I find that the “USA Today” poll mentality really offensive. As if it is OK to choose whatever one wishes. It is not a matter for opinion The Church’s teaching is a truth, which we are to embrace.

The false idea that the “percent” of Catholics who think or do this-or-that is indicative of where Church teaching should or will go is harmful.

I don’t think this mentality should be encouraged here.

Just MHO.
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I think the mentality of “these are the rules, therefore you must blindly follow them” is a poor mentality. There’s a reason why the Protestant Reformation happened, and perhaps it could have been prevented if the Church was more open to honest, down-to-earth discussion. Besides, if our Faith can’t meet the challenge of our own intellect, then how can it stand against anything?
 
I agree with it fully and believe it to be the only policy consistent with the natural law, that can be learned through nothing but philosophy and human reason alone. However, I am celibate, but would certainly follow it if I ever ceased to be celibate, which I doubt.
 
I’m a fairly recent convert to Catholicism (Easter, 2010). Before I became Catholic I did not agree with the teaching. While investigating, I really explored why the Church teaches as She does. Once I understood that, it was easy for me to accept.
 
HeWhoMsntBeNamd said:
I think the mentality of “these are the rules, therefore you must blindly follow them” is a poor mentality.
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You will find that many of us have reached the conclusion that the Church has authority, including the authority to make such rules, by a process of reason, so there is nothing blind about it.
There’s a reason why the Protestant Reformation happened, and perhaps it could have been prevented if the Church was more open to honest, down-to-earth discussion.
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Can you elaborate? I am of the opinion that all sorts of honest, down-to-earth discussion was taking place in and around the Church at the time of the Reformation. The Church is open to such discussion now, in fact, has such discussions all of the time.
Besides, if our Faith can’t meet the challenge of our own intellect, then how can it stand against anything?
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There should be little doubt, after all this time, of Catholicism, of all things, meeting challenges of the intellect, but this isn’t that, it is an opinion poll.
 
The rule on contraception makes no sense to me. I see no difference between NFP and condoms. I follow this teaching because I am Catholic and wish to remain in communion with the Church. You cannot get the Eucharist elsewhere and I am afraid of hell if the Church does happen to be right about this. I can’t just get my tubes tied and then confess it because I wouldn’t really be sorry, so I could not be absolved. It sucks, but I keep praying for understanding, which I hope God will grant me someday, because it’s really hard following a teaching you don’t really believe in, especially one as hard as this.
 
To put it briefly, this was a difficult vote. While in many ways I respect the Church’s view of contraception and openness to life, I disagree in several others.

NFP and abstinence good and well and neither get enough credit or consideration they deserve. I don’t believe however that it is a mortal sin to use artificial contraception, and certainly not in higher-risk situations.
 
LaSainte said:
The rule on contraception makes no sense to me. I see no difference between NFP and condoms.
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That’s because you have no understanding of Aristotelian philosophy and the derivation of natural law based on final causes. Read about it, and what at first seems to be a pedantic distinction becomes a gulf as wide as the ocean. A condom interferes with the teleology (that is, the final cause) of the sexual organs and the sex act. NFP does not.
 
you poll only works for CAF only, 75% may agree on CAF because faithful Catholics are drawn here(to this poll). I don’t not believe that 75% of Catholics agree and follow with church teachings on this subject its more like 2%. I’ll try to find and post that statisitc I think it came from one of the NFP methods.
 
Bezant said:
I don’t believe however that it is a mortal sin to use artificial contraception, and certainly not in higher-risk situations.
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I believe the Church teaches otherwise, but: what’s a “higher-risk” situation? One in which pregnancy may threaten the health of the woman? Or one in which a child may cause the family to end up destitute and homeless?

Or one where there is a risk of disease, or outside of marriage? In the latter two cases, you have a much greater problem to worry about than contraception.
 
Khalid said:
I believe the Church teaches otherwise, but: what’s a “higher-risk” situation? One in which pregnancy may threaten the health of the woman? Or one in which a child may cause the family to end up destitute and homeless?
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I specifically had in mind genetic diseases, although either of those you mentioned could be IMO “higher-risk” situations.
 
chipeto said:
You will find that many of us have reached the conclusion that the Church has authority, including the authority to make such rules, by a process of reason, so there is nothing blind about it.
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Fair enough. But I personally haven’t made that conclusion. And people who respond to others’ questioning of the rules by putting up a wall and getting “offended” do nothing to help me get there.
Can you elaborate? I am of the opinion that all sorts of honest, down-to-earth discussion was taking place in and around the Church at the time of the Reformation. The Church is open to such discussion now, in fact, has such discussions all of the time.
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I think Martin Luther would disagree, which is probably what compelled him to nail his thesis to the door of the church in the first place. His intent was not to break up the Church, so why would he resort to doing what he did if there was an open forum for discussion?
There should be little doubt, after all this time, of Catholicism, of all things, meeting challenges of the intellect, but this isn’t that, it is an opinion poll.
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Well, clearly, there are Catholics out there who know how to use some big intellectual words:
Khalid said:
That’s because you have no understanding of Aristotelian philosophy and the derivation of natural law based on final causes. Read about it, and what at first seems to be a pedantic distinction becomes a gulf as wide as the ocean.
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…the problem is, most of us have no idea what they’re saying.

Why does this topic need to be so complicated? If the truth of the matter is so obvious, then why is it so hard to understand? It makes me think that there’s something more at play here; I often wonder if certain church rules, such as those opposing contraception, were put in place long ago to achieve an earthly-goal - in this case to boost the Catholic population.
 
The rules on contraception make no sense to me either. I also don’t see a difference between NFP and condoms or even ABCs. The rationales don’t make sense to me. I don’t agree with the teaching on IVF. I follow the teachings only because I am Catholic and wish to remain in communion with the Church. And the only reason is because the Catholic Church is the only Church with the Sacrament. Of course, the Orthodox Church also has the Sacraments, and is a bit less legalistic than the Latin Church, and I tend to lean towards Orthodoxy much more than Latin Catholicism for many reasons. One of those reasons being that from what I see, they concentrate more on loving Christ than on rules rules and more rules that burden people unreasonably. Thankfully, I probably won’t have to deal with the things in which I disagree with the Church because if I ever do get married it will be after menopause.
 
Haha @hewhomustnotbenamed…I’m watching the Harry Potter film right now:)
 
BingoBoy said:
Please participate in the poll if you are a Catholic only. You need not be married. If you are separated or widowed, choose what you USED to do.

Please explain your answer below if you wish to discuss.
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Such a poll is a waste of time.

Catholics are bound by the Church teachings which have the authority of God behind them.
Any Catholic who rejects the teaching on contraception puts themselves in a state of mortal sin and therefore cannot receive Communion.
 
chipeto said:
Can you elaborate? I am of the opinion that all sorts of honest, down-to-earth discussion was taking place in and around the Church at the time of the Reformation. The Church is open to such discussion now, in fact, has such discussions all of the time.
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1ke said:
It is not an “issue”. That is my point.
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I rest my case.
 
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