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Nicro said:
well, I have been studying different religions for quite awhile then learned about Islam it made sense to me so I embraced it.
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Ok. That is not a strange path, although you are the first person that I have met (such as meeting online is) that landed in Islam. How did the path progress? Where did you start?
 
ralphinal said:
Ok. That is not a strange path, although you are the first person that I have met (such as meeting online is) that landed in Islam. How did the path progress? Where did you start?
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I have also studied Islam in-depth and nearly converted (or as Muslims would say, “reverted”), just FYI…
 
Nicro said:
well, I have been studying different religions for quite awhile then learned about Islam it made sense to me so I embraced it.
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What do you mean?

Like what made sense of it that surpassed Chrustianity, or Judaism, or any other given religion?
 
Not that anyone has done it yet, but please allow Nick to express his views and story without harrassment or ridicule. I feel that open discussion can help us all.
 
IvanKaramozov said:
What attracted you to it?
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The simplicity, the lack of mediators between God and man, the exotic Middle Eastern atmosphere, the feeling of universality in the faith, the feeling that the faith would include everyone some day, the thought provoking questions, the science within the Qur’an, the theology, the poets and theologians…I soon discovered, though, that most of my objections to Christianity were, in fact, misconceptions…
 
The path… well I studied many different eastern religions, such as hinduism my mom is Buddhist so I grew up around that, look at pretty much everything there was to look at, except Islam. Then one day I found some books about and said" Maybe I should see what this is about". So I read and learned, went to the Masjid a few times then took Shahadah.
 
Trajik said:
Regarding Philthys question bascially your question seems to come down to authority.
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Authority, yes, but the larger issue is practicality.
To begin with a person has to understand that scholarly differences regarding the subsidiary elements of Islamic FIqh is to be respected and tolerated.
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Fair enough - whatever Islamic Flqh means!
On the other hand, issues which have achieved ijma(concensus) of the scholars are to be upheld and not debated.
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  • What - exactly - is the official process to establish, recognize and communicate that there is a “concensus” of the scholars on a topic, that debate is no longer appropriate and that the time for “respect and tolerance” of “scholarly differences” has ended?
  • Is there an official document that communicates all the topics that have achieved “consensus”?
Hence, there may be room for polite investigation and debate, amongst the students of knowledge and scholars, on issues of scholastic difference, but there is little or no rom for debate on issues which have achieved ijma of the scholars, wheather among the Imams or the four madhabs (school of legal thought) or among the repected scholars of later periods in islamic history.
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What happens to a Muslim who goes against an issue that has achieved ijma of the scholars? Say, like, jihad? Has that issue received ijma with respect to the killing of innocents?
I hope this helps answer your question Philthy. 👍
Insha’allah you have a blessed day.
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It is helpful, but a little too vague to determine whether it can actually work.
Thank you - and you have a blessed day as well.
 
Philthy said:
Fair enough - whatever Islamic Flqh means!

It is helpful, but a little too vague to determine whether it can actually work.
Thank you - and you have a blessed day as well.
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Typo! It should be “Islamic Fiqh”–Islamic jurisprudence
 
Nicro said:
The path… well I studied many different eastern religions, such as hinduism my mom is Buddhist so I grew up around that, look at pretty much everything there was to look at, except Islam. Then one day I found some books about and said" Maybe I should see what this is about". So I read and learned, went to the Masjid a few times then took Shahadah.
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Actually, that makes sense to me, from what I know of Buddhism and hinduism. What was your faith growing up?
 
ralphinal said:
Actually, that makes sense to me, from what I know of Buddhism and hinduism. What was your faith growing up?
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I actually meant to include in this comment Nicro’s original quote about how he converted. I haven’t got the hang of this posting yet! Nicro, how did the Islamic people receive you? Tell us about your conversion experience.
Alisa
 
Asalam Alaykum Philthy, 😃

In regards to your question on Islamic Jurisprudence-Fiqh I am providing the link below. Please read through the many topics to help in your understanding. 🙂

dpo.uab.edu/~moha/Islam/fiqh.htm

…and a thousand thank yous to Alexis for correcting my spelling. I am still getting used to this new key board. 😛

Typically such a Muslim who goes agains the teachings of the prophet and his Sunna are acting in disbelief. This goes agains Islam.

I have to go for now. I have an engagement to attend to this evening. I will try to answer more indepth at a later time Insha’allah.

Have a wonderful night Philthy, 👍

Trajik
 
ralphinal said:
Actually, that makes sense to me, from what I know of Buddhism and hinduism. What was your faith growing up?
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My mom is Buddhist so I kind of grew up with that but I was never really made to do anything. But when I reverted I was eagerly welcomed. Everyone came hugged me, congratulated me and accepted me.
 
dparker said:
Most of the links are dead…
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Just like Mohammed. DEAD. He roasts in hellfire like all false prophets.

Only through the Holy name of Jesus is there life.

Islam is pure inhuman cruelty, war and deception.
 
Asalam Alaykum Arbitro360, 🙂

So much for decent talk as Nicro intended when he posted this topic. 🙂 LOL It’s sad this topic degenerated so quickly.

I apologize for the links. I will get you better ones Insha’allah. 🙂 I won’t respond to your other uncharitable remarks. 😛

Enjoy your evening Arbitro360.

Kind regards,
Ali
 
Thank you to everyone who has been charitable in posting on here. I know that we all appriciate being able to discuss without inflamitory language. If you wish a more agressive chat, please take it elsewhere.
 
ralphinal said:
Thank you to everyone who has been charitable in posting on here. I know that we all appriciate being able to discuss without inflamitory language. If you wish a more agressive chat, please take it elsewhere.
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You are ridiculous. What could muslims possibly know about decency?

You might as well post a chat with Satan. Maybe he could give you some similar insights about morality.

Parleying with evil only legitimizes evil. Compromise with evil only benefits evil.

If you are sincere about wanting to learn about islam, I beg you, DO NOT trust these aologists. They are trained and prepared to spoon-feed you deceptions in order to “pave the way for the dominance of islam.”

If you sincerely want to learn, read for yourself. The qu’ran and hadith are not secret books. Get the originals, not those “sanitized” for the kuffar.

Read and learn. Do not be deceived. Islam is a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

Do not be deceived by false prophets and thier lies.

Judge thier actions, not thier propaganda.
 
Arbitro360 said:
You are ridiculous. What could muslims possibly know about decency?

You might as well post a chat with Satan. Maybe he could give you some similar insights about morality.

Parleying with evil only legitimizes evil. Compromise with evil only benefits evil.

If you are sincere about wanting to learn about islam, I beg you, DO NOT trust these aologists. They are trained and prepared to spoon-feed you deceptions in order to “pave the way for the dominance of islam.”

If you sincerely want to learn, read for yourself. The qu’ran and hadith are not secret books. Get the originals, not those “sanitized” for the kuffar.

Read and learn. Do not be deceived. Islam is a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

Do not be deceived by false prophets and thier lies.

Judge thier actions, not thier propaganda.
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Perhaps this talk is becoming not so “decent” afterall. What can you expect, though…🤷
 
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