A few thoughts, now that this forum will be closed

[OurGodIsWithUs]

Raised Catholic. Devout.

But I am always amazed at how people tie religion into politics and use the former to justify the latter. It’s so sad. Some politician waves a Bible, says public prayer, and they declare him a “Man of God.” But I say he/she is a Pharisee.

They say clothe the naked, feed the poor, take care of the sick, yet they scream “COMMUNISM!” or “SOCIALISM!” when people try to introduce univ. healthcare and other social assistance programs. The motto seems to be, “Help others, but not at my expense.”

They don’t have the sense of doing the right things at the right times. Now is the time to care for one another, obey the government, and wear masks. If you point to a biblical passage about obeying the law of the land, these pharisees immediately try to find a counter-passage to oppose you. They are Christians to the extent that they are not inconvenienced.

CHRISTIANITY/CATHOLICISM WAS NEVER MEANT TO BE EASY. They need to get out of their comfort zone.

They scream Pro-Life! Which I mostly do agree with by the way, yet oppose universal healthcare, directly contradicting their cause. . . .

I am convinced that if it suits their purposes, people will believe in the most outrageous things, as well as pervert biblical passages to justify themselves. And this forum serves as an enabler, enabling the wrong people. I am convinced that this post, although laden with common sense and observations without hurting people, will be swiftly taken down. . . .

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[upant]

And others ignore the intrinsic evils promoted by the Democrats

All your social woes have not been fixed by the Democrats since inception of the plans. They have destroyed the family unit and marriage

It isn’t a one way street, there is plenty of faults on both sides

We will see a new era of expanding abortion, contraception, euthanasia, etc and some people will only care about what the latest handout is.

As ST JPII said all your social plans are false and illusory if life isn’t protected to the maximum determination

 

[Cruciferi]

It’s threads such as this that I certainly won’t miss.

 

[puer.dei]

It’s threads and whining such as this that I certainly won’t miss.

Amen, brother. Amen.

 

[aroosi]

Hey guys are you trying to get banned before the forum closes down?

 

[HomeschoolDad]

Masks are more about science than Christianity. If masks are so effective, why do all the medical staff get sick when they are around Covid patients?

Maybe because of constant exposure?

Filtering out 95% of all cooties in the air means that in 100 minutes, it will be the same as if you had been in a non-mask environment for 5 minutes, ceteris paribus. That is why I try to avoid enclosed spaces as much as possible, keep a lot of air around me and a lot of distance between me and others, and always keep moving, moving, moving. For the duration, I will not be sitting still in indoor spaces outside the home (unless absolutely unavoidable, such as non-elective doctor visits), and sadly, that includes Holy Mass. I have two family members I care for, both elderly, one gravely ill and in need of 24-hour hands-on care, and I just can’t take that risk. I follow a vitamin and supplement regimen designed to maintain immune strength and to provide an inhospitable environment for COVID, and if I should ever get the tell-tale elevated temperature, I have quinine water at the ready, and not to make gin and tonic either.

 

[Rau]

And others ignore the intrinsic evils promoted by the Democrats

Why have you introduced a political party into the discussion? Why not just address the points made by the OP?

 

[Rau]

I am convinced that this post, although laden with common sense and observations without hurting people, will be swiftly taken down. . . .

I am convinced it won’t be. It’s a reasonable perspective.

 

[Motherwit]

Masks are more about science than Christianity. If masks are so effective, why do all the medical staff get sick when they are around Covid patients?

Masks are being used universally and have been used for more than a century to limit exposure to disease and pollution. The modern psuedo ‘scientists’ who are promoting their uselessness will go down in history as quacks and loonies.

 

[Fuerza]

The poster you cite appears to be addressing the fact that the OP is clearly attacking Republicans, so it is in fact the OP who brought up a political party even if not mentioning the name. Why should the response not be allowed to mention one?

 

[MNathaniel]

Why have you introduced a political party into the discussion? Why not just address the points made by the OP?

You might not realize, but see the ‘Edit’ button (orange pencil next to a number in the top right corner of a post) that’s been used twice in the OP’s post? You can click it to see exactly which edits have been made.

They went on a huuuuge political rant, explicitly talking about Republicans and Biden.

Also, it doesn’t appear the OP even had the good grace to edit out those political bits. When you see the spaced-apart elipses (. . . . instead of the more normal …), that usually indicates that moderators have had to manually edit a user’s post. That’s why I haven’t reposted a snippet of what they said myself, haha. It has apparently been deemed not fit for ‘print’. Again though, you can read it yourself by clicking the orange icon that shows how the post has been edited, and that may help you understand why people responded to their political provocations (though the initial political provocations were later removed).

 

[neophyte]

The motto seems to be, “Help others, but not at my expense.”

Are you really so arrogant that you think that people who disagree with you on how to best serve the poor must have cold hearts and evil intentions?

 

[po18guy]

As I see it, traditional democrats have no party and many continue to vote so uneasily. It has been absolutely radicalized. Look at their platform over the past 40, 50 or 60 years. Almost no resemblance. Class envy and “equality of outcome” victimhood is their stock in trade. The flip side is a bunch of mealy-mouthed let’s make a deal, plaid golf pants wearing don’t upset the apple cart ineffectuals.

I come from what many would sneeringly say the “far right” - yet faith has impelled me to abandon many core beliefs of the political right. I am repelled from the moral quagmire that the left has become - cultural suicide in the name of fairness.

We have spent trillions in the “war on poverty” only to end up with more poverty. And the solution given is always - always - to spend more money. That is the working definition of insanity.

Yet, we now have such a large percentage of society that cannot or will not help itself that there seems no way out. The Church is no longer allowed to help institutionally. With the exception of Islam, religion is being forced to the sidelines.

As to the panacea of “single payer” healthcare, it sounds absolutely wonderful. I lived under it prior to cancer and it was marginal-to-miserable. Having 90 days to render a surgery decision on my spine, I lay on the floor and crawled around my house for 89 days before they OKed the knife.

Under single payer, I would have died in 2008. Cancer is expensive and I’ve had three so far. Single payer is a slow-speed pipeline that will serve you if you are still alive when services drip out of the tap. 90% of the people 90% of the time get along with it just fine. I was not them.

There is a resurgence of socialism and boldly proclaimed Marxism - how utterly soon do we forget! Socialism sounds more socially acceptable until one remembers that National Socialism was Hitler and Eastern European Socialism was Stalin. Human nature has not and cannot change. We expect better or even different results today?

Beam me up Mr. Scott!

The Church would be far better at running things, but cannot any longer. The solution is above our pay grade, so we turn to Him. It worries me less and less, as I am not that much longer for this world. With God’s mercy, that is a very good thing.

 

[FrankFletcher]

When you see the spaced-apart elipses (. . . . instead of the more normal …), that usually indicates that moderators have had to manually edit a user’s post.

Huh. The more you know. I wish I had more than a month to make use of this knowledge.

 

[phil3]

They say clothe the naked, feed the poor, take care of the sick, yet they scream “COMMUNISM!” or “SOCIALISM!” when people try to introduce univ. healthcare and other social assistance programs.”

I have said this over and over, it is how we should do this that is debated.

 

[jochoa]

Since universal healthcare is to force workers to care for others, a consistent democrat should also support forcing all mothers and fathers to care for the children they create by ridding of the option to abort children.

 

[adamhovey1988]

It’s threads such as this that I certainly won’t miss.

Amen, preach it.

 

[Canvas]

Since universal healthcare is to force workers to care for others, a consistent democrat should also support forcing all mothers and fathers to care for the children they create by ridding of the option to abort children.

Health insurance, universal or not, is risk pooling. In all medical insurance, you are paying for other people’s care when you are healthy and they pay for you when you are sick. That is how medical insurance works.

 

[jochoa]

jochoa:

Since universal healthcare is to force workers to care for others, a consistent democrat should also support forcing all mothers and fathers to care for the children they create by ridding of the option to abort children.

Health insurance, universal or not, is risk pooling. In all medical insurance, you are paying for other people’s care when you are healthy and they pay for you when you are sick. That is how medical insurance works.

Alright, so a consistent democrat should support ridding of the option to abort children because right now the democrat works to care for the child, then the child will work to care for the democrat.

 

[TRose225]

Universal healthcare will always include paying for abortion and euthanasia. Socialism will ALWAYS need the promotion of legal abortion because income redistribution in a country this size with open borders requires little population growth. Instead of relying on the government to help the poor while also using our money to kill people, whats wrong with personal charity-ACTUAL charity from the heart instead of through government force?