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Maximian
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Yes indeed. Socialists hold a monopoly in virtue, didnt you know that?Are you really so arrogant that you think that people who disagree with you on how to best serve the poor must have cold hearts and evil intentions?
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JMMJ
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Have you ever had to rely solely on the personal charity of others for your basic human needs? If so, how was that for you? Did you have to do it long term, due to being disabled?Instead of relying on the government to help the poor while also using our money to kill people, whats wrong with personal charity-ACTUAL charity from the heart instead of through government force?
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Rau
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The post’s substance could have been addressed rather than drawing inferences. One you label positions or issues with a political party, the debate degenerates.The poster you cite appears to be addressing the fact that the OP is clearly attacking Republicans, so it is in fact the OP who brought up a political party even if not mentioning the name. Why should the response not be allowed to mention one?
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Rau
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So it would seem both posters earn my disapproval for politicizing.They went on a huuuuge political rant, explicitly talking about Republicans and Biden.
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Rau
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Actually, in other countries, systems that ensure no person cannot access healthcare due to lack of financial resources are widely embraced as a good thing.Since universal healthcare is to force workers to care for others,
A first step might be to acknowledge that an abortion may be a medical procedure, but it’s not healthcare.by ridding of the option to abort children.
You’d need to question many more things than that to understand the death rate trend. Age of drivers, skill of drivers, condition of the roads, level of policing, social attitudes to drink/drug driving, condition of public transport alternatives, etc etc.If death in car accident were on the rise, I would question how effect seat belt are working.
It’s a wonderful idea, but it tends not to deliver (sufficiently).Instead of relying on the government to help the poor while also using our money to kill people, whats wrong with personal charity-ACTUAL charity from the heart instead of through government force?
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debgab
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Whenever the heart changes and sees the destruction of life at it’s inception, all of the other things will follow such as loving your fellow man i.e. (social assistance programs) however, through the local communities and not mandated by the government; which by the way, were created for the most part because of mankind’s devaluation of life. Jesus also said that the poor would always be with us. Maybe so we can have the opportunity to do good for them and redeem ourselves.
Peace to you
Debbie
Peace to you
Debbie
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goout
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I kind of wonder how the forum will close out.
It seems to me it could be like the police showing up to a bar room brawl, kicking combatants out into the street while they take one last desperate swing at each other. I hope not. We are all going the same way some day.
It’s a good time for reflection.
For me the forum became part of a social media addiction. And it truly is an addiction that needs to be looked in the face. It involves other social media also, and it’s hard to escape because my work requires social media visibility. I am eager to move on from my business and get away from screens.
That addiction is to pride and self expression. And of course an addiction causes people to lose sight of the person at the other end of the discussion, and then contentiousness and cruelty come easily. I am very guilty of that and confessed it many times. The progress to true kindness and Christian behavior has been grinding and slow for me.
I owe many people apologies for poor treatment. I am sorrowed that some experienced argumentation instead of good faith discussion. And apology is easy and insufficient for sure, but responsibility for damage needs to be acknowledged.
It seems to me it could be like the police showing up to a bar room brawl, kicking combatants out into the street while they take one last desperate swing at each other. I hope not. We are all going the same way some day.
It’s a good time for reflection.
For me the forum became part of a social media addiction. And it truly is an addiction that needs to be looked in the face. It involves other social media also, and it’s hard to escape because my work requires social media visibility. I am eager to move on from my business and get away from screens.
That addiction is to pride and self expression. And of course an addiction causes people to lose sight of the person at the other end of the discussion, and then contentiousness and cruelty come easily. I am very guilty of that and confessed it many times. The progress to true kindness and Christian behavior has been grinding and slow for me.
I owe many people apologies for poor treatment. I am sorrowed that some experienced argumentation instead of good faith discussion. And apology is easy and insufficient for sure, but responsibility for damage needs to be acknowledged.
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OurGodIsWithUs
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Raised Catholic. Devout.
But I am always amazed at how people tie religion into politics and use the former to justify the latter. It’s so sad. Some politician waves a Bible, says public prayer, and they declare him a “Man of God.” But I say he/she is a Pharisee.
They say clothe the naked, feed the poor, take care of the sick, yet they scream “COMMUNISM!” or “SOCIALISM!” when people try to introduce univ. healthcare and other social assistance programs. The motto seems to be, “Help others, but not at my expense.”
They don’t have the sense of doing the right things at the right times. Now is the time to care for one another, obey the government, and wear masks. If you point to a biblical passage about obeying the law of the land, these pharisees immediately try to find a counter-passage to oppose you. They are Christians to the extent that they are not inconvenienced.
CHRISTIANITY/CATHOLICISM WAS NEVER MEANT TO BE EASY. They need to get out of their comfort zone.
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But I am always amazed at how people tie religion into politics and use the former to justify the latter. It’s so sad. Some politician waves a Bible, says public prayer, and they declare him a “Man of God.” But I say he/she is a Pharisee.
They say clothe the naked, feed the poor, take care of the sick, yet they scream “COMMUNISM!” or “SOCIALISM!” when people try to introduce univ. healthcare and other social assistance programs. The motto seems to be, “Help others, but not at my expense.”
They don’t have the sense of doing the right things at the right times. Now is the time to care for one another, obey the government, and wear masks. If you point to a biblical passage about obeying the law of the land, these pharisees immediately try to find a counter-passage to oppose you. They are Christians to the extent that they are not inconvenienced.
CHRISTIANITY/CATHOLICISM WAS NEVER MEANT TO BE EASY. They need to get out of their comfort zone.
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TRose225
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Why does it require universal healthcare to provide healthcare to disabled people? Universal healthcare is quite different from Medicaid you know…
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TRose225
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I’m not suggesting charity alone but why do we need universal healthcare as opposed to the programs we have now for the elderly and infirm?
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phil3
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Yet here you come using Christianity to justify you reasons that we need an all powerful central government.Raised Catholic. Devout.
But I am always amazed at how people(republican’s) tie religion into politics and use the former to justify the latter. It’s so sad. Some politician(republicans) waves a Bible, says public prayer, and they declare him a “Man of God.” But I say he/she is a Pharisee.
They(republicans) say clothe the naked, feed the poor, take care of the sick, yet they(republicans) scream “COMMUNISM!” or “SOCIALISM!” when people try to introduce univ. healthcare and other social assistance programs. The(republicans) motto seems to be, “Help others, but not at my expense.”
They(republicans) don’t have the sense of doing the right things at the right times. Now is the time to care for one another, obey the government, and wear masks. If you point to a biblical passage about obeying the law of the land, these pharisees(republicans) immediately try to find a counter-passage to oppose you. They(republicans) are Christians to the extent that they are not inconvenienced.
CHRISTIANITY/CATHOLICISM WAS NEVER MEANT TO BE EASY. They(republicans) need to get out of their comfort zone.
They(republicans) scream Pro-Life! Which I mostly do agree with by the way, yet oppose universal healthcare, directly contradicting their(republicans) cause. . . .
I am convinced that if it suits their(republicans) purposes, people will believe in the most outrageous things, as well as pervert biblical passages to justify themselves. And this forum serves as an enabler, enabling the wrong people. I am convinced that this post, although laden with common sense and observations without hurting people, will be swiftly taken down. . .
Like the person that said socialism/communism is just catholic teaching.
I am 100% against universal health care, but I agree that adding 1.5% to your medicare deducations that can not be change without 75% approval of both the house and senate, needs to be used to pay for those who can not afford health care. It is how you provide health care for those that can not that is the issue.
The It at one time read the only limits the CCC places on government is that it can not be draconian. So it can be authoritarian as long as its for the “common good”
We have been headed in this direction for decades You will never see an honest national election again for the house, senate, or Presidency. After the next four years there will be a reason created for mail in ballots.
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AlNg
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I am sorry to hear that. I thought that the US was an honest democracy?You will never see an honest national election again for the house, senate, or Presidency.
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Rau
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I imagine a “universal healthcare” schemes aims to ensure that everyone can access quality medical care regardless of their capacity to pay for it. Do your current programs ensure that?I’m not suggesting charity alone but why do we need universal healthcare as opposed to the programs we have now for the elderly and infirm?
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Rau
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I tend to believe the US people are smart enough to organize a voting system that delivers “true” results (though the vagaries of non-compulsory voting remain).We have been headed in this direction for decades You will never see an honest national election again for the house, senate, or Presidency. After the next four years there will be a reason created for mail in ballots.
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Valus
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“Idealism is the noble toga that political gentlemen drape over their will to power.”
~ Aldous Huxley
“The welfare of the people in particular has always been the alibi of tyrants, and it provides the further advantage of giving the servants of tyranny a good conscience.”
~ Albert Camus
“Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all.”
― Frederic Bastiat
“The State, both in its genesis and by its primary intention, is purely anti-social… The superficial distinctions of Fascism, Bolshevism, Hitlerism, are the concern of journalists and publicists; the serious student sees in them only one root-idea of a complete conversion of social power into State power.”
― Albert Jay Nock
~ Aldous Huxley
“The welfare of the people in particular has always been the alibi of tyrants, and it provides the further advantage of giving the servants of tyranny a good conscience.”
~ Albert Camus
“Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all.”
― Frederic Bastiat
“The State, both in its genesis and by its primary intention, is purely anti-social… The superficial distinctions of Fascism, Bolshevism, Hitlerism, are the concern of journalists and publicists; the serious student sees in them only one root-idea of a complete conversion of social power into State power.”
― Albert Jay Nock
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phil3
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I have read most of Bastiat writings several times.“Idealism is the noble toga that political gentlemen drape over their will to power.”
~ Aldous Huxley
“The welfare of the people in particular has always been the alibi of tyrants, and it provides the further advantage of giving the servants of tyranny a good conscience.”
~ Albert Camus
“Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all.”
― Frederic Bastiat
“The State, both in its genesis and by its primary intention, is purely anti-social… The superficial distinctions of Fascism, Bolshevism, Hitlerism, are the concern of journalists and publicists; the serious student sees in them only one root-idea of a complete conversion of social power into State power.”
― Albert Jay Nock
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davidharper
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Anyone who posts a logical factual argument which does not conform to the religious agenda here gets insulted, flagged and deleted. Glad to see it go.
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Lara
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I agree. My post about masks was flagged. My question was why do so many medical professionals get covid despite wearing masks. I thought about it later. Of course, the patients must not be wearing masks. The medical professionals aren’t washing their hands, or they’re touching their eyes. Not likely. Or maybe they’re breathing it from the air and the masks aren’t doing much since the air molecules are too small. But, even asking the question provokes flagging. If you don’t agree with mask wearing (as I’ve said my lungs are suffering greatly from wearing masks at work), you do not fit in with the Catholic teaching on this site. Even linking articles about masks not being helpful, or less helpful than believed here, would get you flagged.
The moderation has been very poor on this site. You can’t really have a good conversation on this forum because somebody with hurt feelings always trumps somebody with logic.
The moderation has been very poor on this site. You can’t really have a good conversation on this forum because somebody with hurt feelings always trumps somebody with logic.
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AlNg
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Too many of my posts were flagged and deleted for (IMHO) no good reason.even asking the question provokes flagging.
And many of the ad hominem attacks were left standing.The moderation has been very poor on this site
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