A Lutheran Rosary?

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Mormon missionary: “Excuse me sir, would consider reading a bit of the Book of Mormon, another testatment of Jesus Christ, and then pray with us afterward? I think you’ll see that a great peace will enter your heart and you’ll feel God’s word here is truth itself.”

Spock: “It is illogical to assume that Christ witnessed in the New World or that there was a lost tribe that ever sailed to Central or South America. Maritime skills and nautical navigation were far too rudimentary and the Book of Mormon is littered with anachronisms. Furthermore why would any man want a plural marriage when everyone knows women are highly illogical? Dwelling in a domicile with one woman is emotionally-painful enough without the need for a second.”

Worf: “Mormons are without honor! Kapla!”

Data: “I just wish I had emotions to be able to don the white shirt and black bicycle helmet and make a fool of myself and have doors slammed in my face fifty times a day. What is it like…this feeling of rejection and people laughing? Is it, how do you say, frustrating, to hear NO over and over?”

McCoy: “Now wait just a damn minute Jim! You are NOT beaming down to that Mormon planet Kolob! We don’t even know what’s down there! For all you know it has false prophets, pre-columbian Bible-wielding natives, sealing ceremonies, spirit babies and weirdos!”

Picard: “I think it was the Merchant of Venice, Shylock, that once said, 'if we Latter Day Saints are pricked, do we not bleed? If you slam the door in our face and say–hit the bricks! do we not cry? If the Kraft Macaroni that we have stored up for the apocolypse turns rotten, do we not get frustrated!? To die! To sleep no more! To sleep perchance to…”

Worf: “Shakespeare had no honor!”

Guinan the Bartender: “I like these Mormons. I think they’re good people. Where I come from they’d be welcomed guests. They’d help fight the Borg after they defend Kolob”

Captain Kirk (Shatner Kirk): "You…Mormons…haven’t even the slightest…idea…what Christ is? You…grope…in the dark, you…grasp at straws…Doctrines and Covenants isn’t even legitimate…you’re lost…and for what?

Ferengi: “Is selling the Book of Mormon profitable? What is your rate of return on your initial investment? How much start-up capital do you missionaries need? Perhaps we can do business, Mormon hyuuu-mahhhn!”

Missionaries: “Perhaps we came to the wrong house…God bless!”
 
Right on, Jharek, someone as old-school, stubborn and fuddy-duddy as me. right on! :p:thumbsup: I liked Picard well enough but boy was Kirk better. And re-booted Kirk? No way…
 
I’ve seen them, and while they may appear the same, the prayers are different from a Catholic rosary and can even vary from person to person. I’ve also seen them called Lutheran prayer beads or Lutheran meditation beads.
 
my wife and her parents and other family members came over from germany and were of the lutheren religion. they also have never heard of a luthern rosary perhaps there are diffent forms of lutherens?
 
shark76z said:
Since when do Lutherans pray the Rosary? I ran across this site that explains how to do it.

Is it common for Lutherans to pray the Rosary?

(here’s the site: giftsofaith.com/Files/lutheranrosary.pdf)
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It is uncommon but it happens. Usually it grows out of a dissatisfaction among high-church Lutherans with the current lack of liturgical unity and reverence for the clergy, altar, sacraments, etc. The main problem is with the prayers to Mary:
HAIL, HOLY QUEEN, Mother of Mercy, our life, our sweetness and our hope! To thee do we cry, poor banished children of Eve; to thee do we send up our sighs, mourning and weeping in this valley of tears. Turn then, most gracious advocate, thine eyes of mercy toward us, and after this our exile, show unto us the blessed fruit of thy womb, Jesus. O clement, O loving, O sweet Virgin Mary!
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V. Pray for us, O Holy Mother of God.
R. That we may be made worthy of the promises of Christ.
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Mary is the mother of our dear Lord, and the most honored among women. But she does not hear our prayers any more than she can answer them.
 
Nominefili said:
It is uncommon but it happens. Usually it grows out of a dissatisfaction among high-church Lutherans with the current lack of liturgical unity and reverence for the clergy, altar, sacraments, etc. The main problem is with the prayers to Mary:

Mary is the mother of our dear Lord, and the most honored among women. But she does not hear our prayers any more than she can answer them.
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That’s not to deny, however, that she and the saints in Heaven do pray for the Church Militant.
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It’s a mistake to think that Catholics should think she can of her own power answer them . A common and easy mistake to make and some Catholics I have known have made it but it is still a mistake.
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Hi Jharek,
Maybe you could expand on this a bit. In the Catholic view, how is it possible for the Blessed Virgin and saints to hear our requests for intercession?

Jon
 
=(name removed by moderator);6546717]By the will of God.
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That, of course, is the only thing that makes sense.
I know you Jon would not for a moment buy the notion that Catholics think Mary has the power to grant requests. Unfortunately there are Catholics who are poorly cathecised who do believe this and it does seem to be a common misconception from a non-Catholic point of view. To believe that Mary of her own power or ability could grant requests would be a heretical belief.
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Assuming that she has the ability, by God’s will, to hear our prayers for intercession, it would seem that her intercessory prayers to her Son would be no different coming from her than from members of my Church who pray for my son in the middle east for example (other than her close proximity to Him). In others words, she has no power of her own but to pray, as we do, for the benefit of another.
I for example do not use intercessionary prayer and by no means all Catholics do, some do, some do not. My father uses it but my late mother generally speaking did not. Leaving aside prayers to St. Anthony for finding lost objects around the home, but that always smacked more of a local custom that was particular to the Ireland of the 1950’s she grew up in rather than meant in a serious manner.
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Does your father gain comfort from the practice? If so, may God bless him.

And this is my concern about non-Catholics who condemn the practice so offhandedly, that they hurt the hearts of others.
Mary to me is the Mother of our Lord, the Theotokos and blessed among women but she is ‘only’ a woman and her life and it’s meaning can only be understood by truly understanding the greater reality that is Christ.
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On this we fully agree.
However Christ is still Mary’s son and Christ will listen to his mother, but he will only grant us what is wisest for us, sometimes not what we want. So intercessory prayer that is performed in a hope of begging favours should not be undertaken in any case.
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This seems a reasonable position.

Thanks, for your helpful response.

Jon
 
Yeah LOL…Nehi still sounds like socks to me though…Gotta love those Jaredites, Lamanites, and other phony “new world ites” that Joe made up LOL
Javl said:
I always thought Nehi was an orange drink…

PAX DOMINI :signofcross:

Shalom Aleichem
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gurneyhalleck1 said:
Yeah LOL…Nehi still sounds like socks to me though…Gotta love those Jaredites, Lamanites, and other phony “new world ites” that Joe made up LOL
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Yep. He sure had a vivid imagination, golden plates, magic spectacles, etc. He sure has a following though. I wonder if Hollywood will make a movie? Just have to figure what them “new worldites” looked like. Something like the Klingons, or…?

PAX DOMINI :signofcross:

Shalom Aleichem
 
Maybe the Ferengi!
Javl said:
Yep. He sure had a vivid imagination, golden plates, magic spectacles, etc. He sure has a following though. I wonder if Hollywood will make a movie? Just have to figure what them “new worldites” looked like. Something like the Klingons, or…?

PAX DOMINI :signofcross:

Shalom Aleichem
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I like reading about when he was arrested for peep stones LOL
Javl said:
Hoo Boy! Good ole Joe sure knew how to pick 'em…

PAX DOMINI :signofcross:

Shalom Aleichem

Please pray for the poor souls in Purgatory who have no one to pray for them
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Let’s get back to the thread before we get thrown out.

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Shalom Aleichem
 
I ask the question a while back about the Rosary - unfortunately, I did not get a reply. Perhaps someone else can answer me. I have a close neighbor who is Christian Reform by birth but now is a Pentecostal in a non-denominational church. She attended Mass with me once and scolded me for saying the Rosary b/c as the Bible says,

“To pray to her (The Blessed Mother) is non-scriptural, because Jesus says that in His Name we now can go to the Father and ask what ever we want. We know from other scripture that this is qualified by; as long as it agrees with His Word.(1John 5:14). **The Bible strongly apposes the repetitious ritual form of your last prayer, calling it vain repetition (Read Matt. 6:7-14).”/**COLOR]:🤷

What can I say to her?

JudithAnn
 
To JonNC:

I am fascinated by the quote at the end of your post! Can you tell me the source–ie, when and where he said or wrote this, and the context?

Thanks!
colorofsnow
 
JudithAnn said:
I ask the question a while back about the Rosary - unfortunately, I did not get a reply. Perhaps someone else can answer me. I have a close neighbor who is Christian Reform by birth but now is a Pentecostal in a non-denominational church. She attended Mass with me once and scolded me for saying the Rosary b/c as the Bible says,

“To pray to her (The Blessed Mother) is non-scriptural, because Jesus says that in His Name we now can go to the Father and ask what ever we want. We know from other scripture that this is qualified by; as long as it agrees with His Word.(1John 5:14). **The Bible strongly apposes the repetitious ritual form of your last prayer, calling it vain repetition (Read Matt. 6:7-14).”/**COLOR]:🤷

What can I say to her?

JudithAnn

The answer you want is in the Catechism of the Catholic Church and in the Catholic Encyclopedia. Both are available on the internet.

Also, remember that the original prayer honoring Mary was given by the angel Gabriel under the direction of the Holy Spirit ( Luke 1:26-38 ). How better can we honor Jesus’ Mother, and pleasing Him, than in reciting the rosary?

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Shalom Aleichem
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Javi,

I will look up the Catechism of the Catholic Church and the Catholic Encyclopedia. As far as “your” words, what a beautiful response. Exactly on point. Of course “they” do not believe in the sanctity of the Blessed Mother at all; she is simply Christ’s birth mother. This woman simply smiles when I speak of Mary as if I’m nuts. Then I explained to her: You are baptized in the Holy Spirit, you believe in God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. She nodded “yes.” Then I put this to her: Whom in fact did Mary give birth to? Jesus. who is also The Father, and the Holy Spirit. She no longer was smiling - I believe it finally sunk in! 👍
 
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