A Lutheran Rosary?

[Javl]

Javi,

I will look up the Catechism of the Catholic Church and the Catholic Encyclopedia. As far as “your” words, what a beautiful response. Exactly on point. Of course “they” do not believe in the sanctity of the Blessed Mother at all; she is simply Christ’s birth mother. This woman simply smiles when I speak of Mary as if I’m nuts. Then I explained to her: You are baptized in the Holy Spirit, you believe in God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. She nodded “yes.” Then I put this to her: Whom in fact did Mary give birth to? Jesus. who is also The Father, and the Holy Spirit. She no longer was smiling - I believe it finally sunk in!

That’s good. Ask her also if she honors her mother and if she would be proud if others honored her mother. If so, than doesn’t she think that Jesus would be proud that His mother was being honored? We honor Mary with the Rosary in order to please Jesus.

Also, as any loving son would do whatever his mother asks, don’t you think that Jesus would do the same for His Mother? We pray to Mary to ask for her help in asking Jesus for our favors ( we DO NOT worship Mary, but we do venerate her because she is blessed among women and the chosen of God. ). God Bless.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

 

[JonNC]

To JonNC:

I am fascinated by the quote at the end of your post! Can you tell me the source–ie, when and where he said or wrote this, and the context?

Thanks!
colorofsnow

Sure,
It is from a letter he wrote to a German Lutheran bishop. I found it in this Lutheran/Catholic document. The whole thing is a good read, but the quote is at paragragh 107.

usccb.org/seia/koinonia.shtml

Jon

 

[IowaJay]

Sure,
It is from a letter he wrote to a German Lutheran bishop. I found it in this Lutheran/Catholic document. The whole thing is a good read, but the quote is at paragragh 107.

usccb.org/seia/koinonia.shtml

Jon

You can read the content of the letters between Cardinal Ratzinger and German Lutheran Bishop Hanselmann in the book “Pilgrim Fellowship of Faith.” Much of it can be read on this google books preview, starting at page 242:

books.google.com/books?id=kJMcrRrDv6cC&printsec=frontcover&dq=ratzinger&lr=&cd=58#v=onepage&q=ratzinger&f=false

Unfortunately, the quote used in the Lutheran/Catholic statement on Koinonia is at p. 248 of this book, which is not included in the google preview.

But, you can read p. 248 on the amazon preview (click on the link, then type in “248” in the search function on the left side of the page):

amazon.com/Pilgrim-Fellowship-Faith-Church-Communion/dp/0898709636/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1271893928&sr=1-1#reader_0898709636

 

[scottywolf777]

I would most strongly encourage the Lutherans to learn to pray the rosary!!!

I have an idea…I am going to see if the Muslims would be interested as well.

Hi Kathleen,
RE Muslims and Our Lady, I don’t think it mere coincidence that Our Lady appeared at Fatima a place named after the daughter of Muhamed, who prayed to Jesus on her death bed. Muslims do have a form of rosary and a devotion to Our Lady. The Qu’aran has a special chapter Surya 8 all about Mary! The biggist problem is that Islam doesn’t tell the full truth about either Jesus or Mary who have cherished places in their holy book. Yes, Jesus is a very great prophet, peace be upon him but, He’s a whole lot more.

It’s really only modern Lutherans who get uptight about the rosary and the saints. Luther recommended it as a “commendable daily devotion” in his small cathechism.

One of the best books I remember reading on the rosary was written by a Methodist minister called “Five for sorrow, Ten for Joy>”

 

[JonNC]

You can read the content of the letters between Cardinal Ratzinger and German Lutheran Bishop Hanselmann in the book “Pilgrim Fellowship of Faith.” Much of it can be read on this google books preview, starting at page 242:

books.google.com/books?id=kJMcrRrDv6cC&printsec=frontcover&dq=ratzinger&lr=&cd=58#v=onepage&q=ratzinger&f=false

Unfortunately, the quote used in the Lutheran/Catholic statement on Koinonia is at p. 248 of this book, which is not included in the google preview.

But, you can read p. 248 on the amazon preview (click on the link, then type in “248” in the search function on the left side of the page):

amazon.com/Pilgrim-Fellowship-Faith-Church-Communion/dp/0898709636/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1271893928&sr=1-1#reader_0898709636

Thanks, Jay

Jon

 

[Padrej]

Hi Kathleen,
RE Muslims and Our Lady, I don’t think it mere coincidence that Our Lady appeared at Fatima a place named after the daughter of Muhamed, who prayed to Jesus on her death bed. Muslims do have a form of rosary and a devotion to Our Lady. The Qu’aran has a special chapter Surya 8 all about Mary! The biggist problem is that Islam doesn’t tell the full truth about either Jesus or Mary who have cherished places in their holy book. Yes, Jesus is a very great prophet, peace be upon him but, He’s a whole lot more.

It’s really only modern Lutherans who get uptight about the rosary and the saints. Luther recommended it as a “commendable daily devotion” in his small cathechism.

One of the best books I remember reading on the rosary was written by a Methodist minister called “Five for sorrow, Ten for Joy>”

Funny, I as an Anglican pray the rosary at times. I prefer the Divine Mercy Chaplet to the traditional prayers. But there are Anglican Rosaries. When I met my wife she was an Anglican nun and she even had Baptist patients praying the rosary in the Hospital on the Cancer ward where she was a primary chaplain. Because of their aversion to praying to Mary she had them use the Jesus prayer. One of her Baptist patients on going home to be with the Lord was buried with her rosary that my wife gave her. She was also invited to preach at her funeral.
Now she is no longer an Anglican nun so I tease her that she “kicked the habit” for me.

I am not surprised that Lutherans have a form of Rosary, after all where did Martin Luther start?
Here are a couple of links to the various prayers said on a Lutheran Rosary.
giftsofaith.com/Files/lutheranrosary.pdf

www2.elca.org/communication/rosary.html

You may also be surprised to know that the More liturgical of the Methodists have adopted the Anglican Rosary as their own.

 

[Javl]

It is wonderful and beautiful that all pray the rosary. As a point of information; before the beads were assigned use as a rosary, the beads were used by monks to recite the psalms. They have always been used in one way or another to pray to and honor God.

Pray the rosary in honor of Our Mother Mary, you’d be surprised at the wonderful blessings that her Son, Jesus, will bestow on you.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

 

[scottywolf777]

Funny, I as an Anglican pray the rosary at times. I prefer the Divine Mercy Chaplet to the traditional prayers. But there are Anglican Rosaries. When I met my wife she was an Anglican nun and she even had Baptist patients praying the rosary in the Hospital on the Cancer ward where she was a primary chaplain. Because of their aversion to praying to Mary she had them use the Jesus prayer. One of her Baptist patients on going home to be with the Lord was buried with her rosary that my wife gave her. She was also invited to preach at her funeral.
Now she is no longer an Anglican nun so I tease her that she “kicked the habit” for me.

I am not surprised that Lutherans have a form of Rosary, after all where did Martin Luther start?
Here are a couple of links to the various prayers said on a Lutheran Rosary.
giftsofaith.com/Files/lutheranrosary.pdf

www2.elca.org/communication/rosary.html

You may also be surprised to know that the More liturgical of the Methodists have adopted the Anglican Rosary as their own.

I just looked up these links and quite approve. I was especially surprised to find prayers in LATIN on the one. I had a freind who got married to a non-catholic and converted even though he really didn’t want to but, did it for the sake of family unity whose Lutheran wife would hit him for making the sign of the cross at the final blessing unti lI asked one of the campus chaplain who was Lutheran if it was OK. He told me he wished he could get his congregation to do just that.
BTW while I am of the latin rite (and occasionally use latin itself0 I am enrolled in Society of Our Lady of Walsingham in England which is the Anglican shrine and part of the daily prayer is for the “conversion of England” Maybe someday we’ll all be able to get it all back together again. Meanwhile keep saying them rosaries!