A month After Emergency Declaration, Trump's Promises Largely Unfulfilled

[LeafByNiggle]

Nothing he could have done would have been what you wanted because he doesn’t have a D affiliation.

Can you offer any proof of that?

has nothing to do with downplaying and delaying of leadership on mitigation and preparedness measures. That was the issue you were supposed to address, remember.

As I said, it has been addressed many times before in various timeline quotes of Trump’s addresses.

 

[HarryStotle]

HarryStotle:

The situations in Hong Kong and Taiwan are entirely unlike the US

Yes. They acted promptly and effectively. We did not.

Oh, good. You are holding yourself partially responsible now. Glad to hear — the blame isn’t entirely on one person.

The reason they acted “promptly and effectively” is because they are homogenous cultures, with a single ruling authority, besides being in the shadow of China where fallout could be immediate.
The US is a federation of states, each with its own distinct ruling authority. Trump couldn’t have imposed wide-ranging and uniform measures even if he wanted to.

The situations are completely different. You could far more effectively hold Andrew Cuomo’s feet to the fire for not responding like Hong Kong did since New York more closely parallels Hong Kong than the entire US does.

 

[HarryStotle]

HarryStotle:

Nothing he could have done would have been what you wanted because he doesn’t have a D affiliation.

Can you offer any proof of that?

has nothing to do with downplaying and delaying of leadership on mitigation and preparedness measures. That was the issue you were supposed to address, remember.

As I said, it has been addressed many times before in various timeline quotes of Trump’s addresses.

Yeah, “addressed” but not convincingly so, unless you assume everyone just agrees with you because you have written something.

 

[dvdjs]

Trump couldn’t have imposed wide-ranging and uniform measures even if he wanted to.

The borders are controlled by the Federal government. And Trump has been absolute on that. Have you really missed that?

 

[HarryStotle]

HarryStotle:

Trump couldn’t have imposed wide-ranging and uniform measures even if he wanted to.

The borders are controlled by the Federal government. And Trump has been absolute on that. Have you really missed that?

He acted early and that very likely reduced the numbers of infected and fatalities. A point that the significant reductions of both that the modellers at IHME have reinforced.

You are still being vague and critical based on nothing but your imaginings. He could have closed the borders completely in January and you would have criticized him for doing that. He tightened travel restrictions and you now claim he didn’t ban all travel from China, despite that your Dem friends (like Biden) called him xenophobic for doing that.

Perhaps you prefer that he go on late night talk shows and show off his high priced appliances and 15 flavours of ice cream that he stocks in his freezer?

https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/15/nancy-pelosi-ice-cream-kitchen-late-late-show-james-corden-food-lines/

Perhaps that move would function to bring hope to those waiting in food lines? Churchill would be proud?

I don’t see any critique of Pelosi in your posting, perhaps the above article might give you pause? Nah, I didn’t think so. You will defend her no matter what.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

He acted early and that very likely reduced the numbers of infected and fatalities. A point that the significant reductions of both that the modellers at IHME have reinforced.

Whatever small benefit we derived from a restriction on travel has been largely overshadowed by his effect on public opinion, which in turn affects what local and state leaders feel enabled to do.

 

[HarryStotle]

HarryStotle:

He acted early and that very likely reduced the numbers of infected and fatalities. A point that the significant reductions of both that the modellers at IHME have reinforced.

Whatever small benefit we derived from a restriction on travel has been largely overshadowed by his effect on public opinion, which in turn affects what local and state leaders feel enabled to do.

We shall see how the “public opinion” responds to the administation’s response in its entirety, after all is said and done.

In the meantime, I am thinking Pelosi’s effect on “public opinion” following her late night appearance will also reveal something about how public opinion is being shaped and influenced.

 

[dvdjs]

He acted early and that very likely reduced the numbers of infected and fatalities. A point that the significant reductions of both that the modellers at IHME have reinforced.

In terms of containment, the ban of entry of foreigners was a dud. There is nothing in the IHME model to say otherwise.
In terms of mitigation, the WH incoherence was a drag on the states. We could have done much better by acting earlier. This is readily seen from the IMHE models.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/14/opinion/covid-social-distancing.html

Had we taken measures that we did two week earlier, the death count would have decreased ten-fold.

 

[HarryStotle]

dvdjs:

He acted early and that very likely reduced the numbers of infected and fatalities. A point that the significant reductions of both that the modellers at IHME have reinforced.

In terms of containment, the ban of entry of foreigners was a dud. There is nothing in the IHME model to say otherwise.
In terms of mitigation, the WH incoherence was a drag on the states. We could have done much better by acting earlier. This is readily seen from the IMHE models.

Opinion | The Huge Cost of Waiting to Contain the Pandemic - The New York Times

Had we taken measures that we did two week earlier, the death count would have decreased ten-fold.

Okay, so we have you on record as recommending a complete ban on travel two weeks earlier than was put into effect.

So, you agree that WHO was completely out to lunch on that front?

As was Jennifer Nuzzo, of the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health senior scholar, who said on February 4 that travel restrictions won’t help.

Or VOX…

The evidence on travel bans for diseases like coronavirus is clear: They don’t work

They’re political theater, not good public health policy.

www.vox.com

Or WIRED…

Travel Bans and Quarantines Won't Stop Coronavirus

The US announced travel restrictions on Friday. But some public health experts worry that a ban won't work—and could create new problems.

www.wired.com

So which experts should Trump have listened to?

The WHO or YOU?

What do you think of the CDC’s “incoherence” on travel restrictions?

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/travel-in-the-us.html

 

[LeafByNiggle]

Okay, so we have you on record as recommending a complete ban on travel two weeks earlier than was put into effect.

I think the reference to “measures that we did two weeks earlier” was referring to social distancing, not travel restrictions.

 

[dvdjs]

Okay, so we have you on record as recommending a complete ban on travel two weeks earlier than was put into effect.

I have made no such recommendation.

I think the reference to “measures that we did two weeks earlier” was referring to social distancing, not travel restrictions.

yes.

 

[HarryStotle]

HarryStotle:

Okay, so we have you on record as recommending a complete ban on travel two weeks earlier than was put into effect.

I think the reference to “measures that we did two weeks earlier” was referring to social distancing, not travel restrictions.

Wasn’t that up to states to implement? Why would Trump be responsible for that?

 

[LeafByNiggle]

LeafByNiggle:

HarryStotle:

Okay, so we have you on record as recommending a complete ban on travel two weeks earlier than was put into effect.

I think the reference to “measures that we did two weeks earlier” was referring to social distancing, not travel restrictions.

Wasn’t that up to states to implement? Why would Trump be responsible for that?

Because Trump holds a lot of sway over public opinion. States making rules that the public does not want to follow is a disaster. He could have used the bully pulpit for good, instead of using it as a campaign platform.

 

[HarryStotle]

HarryStotle:

LeafByNiggle:

HarryStotle:

Okay, so we have you on record as recommending a complete ban on travel two weeks earlier than was put into effect.

I think the reference to “measures that we did two weeks earlier” was referring to social distancing, not travel restrictions.

Wasn’t that up to states to implement? Why would Trump be responsible for that?

Because Trump holds a lot of sway over public opinion. States making rules that the public does not want to follow is a disaster. He could have used the bully pulpit for good, instead of using it as a campaign platform.

Right. So he is responsible even when he isn’t.

To be technically correct, he holds effective sway over about half of the population. The other half (those afflicted with TDS) will do the exact opposite of what he suggests. Ergo, his “net effect” approximates zero.

If he had declared “we should implement social distancing,” the TDS half of the population would have implemented social crowding.

Your thesis assumes his “bully pulpit” is as effective with the leftist progressives as it is with the conservative right. That assumption is faulty.

 

[PaulinVA]

To be technically correct, he holds effective sway over about half of the population. The other half (those afflicted with TDS) will do the exact opposite of what he suggests. Ergo, his “net effect” approximates zero.

Uhm, a better way to put it is that 44% of the population is afflicted with Trump Blindness Syndrome, wherein anything Trump says or does, no matter how crazy or untruthful or against the norms of the American Presidency, is accepted as totally normal and actually good.

There is a mushy middle of people who vacillate about Trump.

Then, there is a hardcore group of people who see nothing good coming from Trump, like, ever.

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As to the way he has handled the crisis, don’t look solely at when flights were shut down or when social distancing was or wasn’t implemented.

Look to where Trump stepped up with a national plan to get enough ventilators for each state when needed, to ensure PPE got to the right states at the right time, that the governors all agreed to the national plan for shutting down schools using the governors’ authority. Look for the national testing plan, the national plan to create tests and vaccines. Look for the Federal leadership coordinating our national response to the crisis.

That doesn’t exist. Trump is running this crisis like he’s run his businesses and how he’s run his presidency - pitting people against each other, having no long term strategy, always looking to make himself the center of attention. The Trump Presidency is like the Trump casinos in Atlantic City, like Trump University, like Trump Vodka, like Trump steaks, et al.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Uhm, a better way to put it is that 44% of the population is afflicted with Trump Blindness Syndrome, wherein anything Trump says or does, no matter how crazy or untruthful or against the norms of the American Presidency, is accepted as totally normal and actually good.

Nonsense. I voted for him and will do so again. But that does not mean I am uncritical of everything he says, no matter what. And I actually find it refreshing to see a president depart from the stodgy, over-polished and false “norms” of the American presidency. That’s one of the reasons Harry Truman got elected, though he was despised by the “brain trusters” and other elites. He was a human being instead of a robotic phony.

 

[Ridgerunner]

The Trump Presidency is like the Trump casinos in Atlantic City, like Trump University, like Trump Vodka, like Trump steaks, et al.

And yet, he’s a billionaire and got elected to the highest office in the land. Those who don’t take risks don’t get very far.

 

[phaster]

NPR was just talking about that earlier tonight, but they were blaming it on systemic racism rather than being a fat adult with diabetes, they insisted you shouldn’t blame the victim Don’t be racist!

Don’t be racist?!

huh,… didn’t even consider the issue or think NPR assigned any blame

so just wondering do you view individuals who listen to NPR as bleeding heart libtards who have too much compassion/empathy for those less fortunate who are pigmentally blessed???

perhaps its just me but compassion/empathy for those less fortunate reminds me of some guy who started a social movement a few years back,…

Compassion: one of Jesus' most important virtues

The Peace Pulpit: "Compassion [is] entering into the feelings of others. It's the basis for reconciliation. That's how people begin to come together."

www.ncronline.org

Empathy is the key to Pope Francis’ vision for strengthening families.

The challenge is to rise from having empathy for a few to having empathy for many.

www.americamagazine.org

When rules fail, empathy prevails

There are serious reasons why parents should consider their children’s ability to take on the perspectives of others

uscatholic.org

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what has happened should be a sign that business/politics as usual was not sustainable,… BTW FWIW had an old friend I’ve know since high school pass along a YouTube link that I thought refreshing and relevant to current events

Coronavirus: The Jewish Perspective

we live in a time of great technological advances

we live in a time where we believe almost blindly,… in the powers of science
and scientists (expert doctors)

and yet we are suddenly finding ourselves without a solution,… without a clue

…why would God allow such a virus, why would God allow such a pandemic

…we actually started to believe that life is about life is about going to school, going to work, going to parties, going to a theatre (for some entertainment), going shopping

…this virus is bringing, a fantastic opportunity to change the habits we’ve been trying or hoping to change

www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyRyqQYQ8F4

anyway this reminded me back in one of my high school religion classes had an assignment about Genesis 1:28 which introduces the idea of mankind having dominion over creation

with a bit more knowledge and experience under my belt,… seems we are where we are because of too much consumption and being enticed by slick marketing to believe that consumer goods are the answer to happiness, which has unintended consequences (in this world)

What do you think of climate change? Social Justice

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The coronavirus crisis forces us to choose between life and love of money, says Pope Francis

We face a fundamental choice as we seek to resolve the coronavirus crisis, Pope Francis said during his morning Mass Monday.

www.catholicnewsagency.com

 

[PaulinVA]

Nonsense. I voted for him and will do so again. But that does not mean I am uncritical of everything he says, no matter what.

I’m sorry, I don’t remember many times you’ve broken with Trump. I’ll take you at your word and put you somewhere between TBS and the mushy middle.

And yet, he’s a billionaire and got elected to the highest office in the land. Those who don’t take risks don’t get very far.

You miss the point there RR. Who actually took the risk? It wasn’t Trump. It was the American people.

And, the people that backed the Trump casinos, the Trump ventures that all didn’t pan out, the people that enrolled in Trump University, they all thought he was a billionaire and all the things he did were above board and would be successful. They sure learned a lesson. We, also, are learning a lesson.

 

[HarryStotle]

HarryStotle:

To be technically correct, he holds effective sway over about half of the population. The other half (those afflicted with TDS) will do the exact opposite of what he suggests. Ergo, his “net effect” approximates zero.

Uhm, a better way to put it is that 44% of the population is afflicted with Trump Blindness Syndrome, wherein anything Trump says or does, no matter how crazy or untruthful or against the norms of the American Presidency, is accepted as totally normal and actually good.

That would be you editorializing based on your own misperceptions. Not quite the reality. Many of his supporters are critical of this or that. I run across it all the time.

It’s just that his opposition is so extremely tiresome, those who are somewhat supportive get tired of the outlandish criticisms based on nothing.

We can also note that you completely ignored the central idea of my post to editorialize and exemplify the point I was making.