A Muslim woman was attacked and beaten by two men in Toronto

[Peter_Plato]

The point of telling the story is to inform society that it happened. Since you are a firefighter, let me ask you, is there any point in simply reporting a major building fire? Is it necessary that such a news report should also contain an editorial on mandatory sprinkler systems, beyond possibly mention the fact that the building in question did not have them?

Well, you see, if the point of “telling the story” is merely to inform society, that doesn’t really get at why it is important to “inform society” at all. It merely defers the question to another question as if “informing society” is an end in itself.

If it is merely assumed to be, then that would explain “information overload.”

If it isn’t then the further question of why it is necessary to inform society and about what, is critical to determine the purpose of the media in society. Which was, essentially, my point.

By the way, where did you get the information that I was a firefighter? Perhaps you, too, are suffering from information overload or your circuits are heating up and you are subconsciously reaching out for help to quell the anticipated flames in your neural circuitry?

 

[Peter_Plato]

Obviously the recent events make this story more newsworthy, since people have a heightened interest now in such issues. That alone justifies the reporting.

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So why can’t we discuss the OP without dragging in all of Islam vs Christianity? The case a a woman picking up her child from school does not require it.

It might be asked, then, that if people have “a heightened interest now in such issues,” why “such issues” have not justified the reporting of, say, this story:

youtu.be/yNdqZi0z8vQ

I guess that would be because people in Toronto have more of a “heightened interest” with regard to things occurring in Toronto than about things occurring in Syria, which might explain and “justify the reporting.” But the real question would seem to be whether that kind of selective reporting is really “just” after all, given that we have all read and seen such reports as the Toronto story and have been appalled by them, but never have been given the “opportunity” to be appalled by such stories as the one in the RT video.

Be honest, have you seen anything like this story in the western media? Does that make you ask: Why not?

 

[LeafByNiggle]

Well, you see, if the point of “telling the story” is merely to inform society, that doesn’t really get at why it is important to “inform society” at all.

It is important because it is unexpected that such a thing would happen. Without such reporting people could easily fall into the error of thinking that such a thing does not happen.

By the way, where did you get the information that I was a firefighter?

I confused you with another poster I was reading recently. Sorry.

But my question remains. Is it justified and worthwhile to report on a major building fire without including an editorial on mandatory sprinkler systems? That would be analogous to reporting on this beating without including an editorial on what society should do about it.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

It might be asked, then, that if people have “a heightened interest now in such issues,” why “such issues” have not justified the reporting of, say, this story:

youtu.be/yNdqZi0z8vQ

Are you sure it has not been reported? It seems a worthwhile story to me.

I guess that would be because people in Toronto have more of a “heightened interest” with regard to things occurring in Toronto than about things occurring in Syria, which might explain and “justify the reporting.”

Well, yes, that sounds like it.

But the real question would seem to be whether that kind of selective reporting is really “just” after all, given that we have all read and seen such reports as the Toronto story and have been appalled by them, but never have been given the “opportunity” to be appalled by such stories as the one in the RT video.

If your point is that stories are not given equitable attention, I won’t dispute that. But this is not a thread about journalism, except as it relates to the truth of the story, which you seem bent on suppressing or discrediting in some way.

 

[Peter_Plato]

Are you sure it has not been reported? It seems a worthwhile story to me.

Well, yes, that sounds like it.
If your point is that stories are not given equitable attention, I won’t dispute that. But this is not a thread about journalism, except as it relates to the truth of the story, which you seem bent on suppressing or discrediting in some way.

That isn’t my intention at all. My point all along has been that the kind of reporting demonstrated by the story has highlighted one side of a huge moral, political and spiritual chasm by ignoring completely that the same kind of poisonous irrationality that motivated those men moves millions to believe and do things that would make us cringe in civilized society - yet the reporting does the truly irresponsible thing by blaming such behaviour on civilized society while blindly exonerating the real cause.

 

[Peter_Plato]

Are you sure it has not been reported? It seems a worthwhile story to me.

Well, yes, that sounds like it.

Meaning that people in Toronto can show such a profound lack of interest with regard to what is happening in Syria and other places in the world yet they still feel utterly confident in their “wisdom” with regard to taking in tens of thousands of refugees from those places pretending as if they actually know what they are doing, merely because a few video clips of refugees in desperate straights have been shown in the news.

No need to be educated and knowledgeable about what is really going on, just to be “charitable.”

thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks

 

[LeafByNiggle]

That isn’t my intention at all. My point all along has been that the kind of reporting demonstrated by the story has highlighted one side of a huge moral, political and spiritual chasm by ignoring completely that the same kind of poisonous irrationality that motivated those men moves millions to believe and do things that would make us cringe in civilized society - yet the reporting does the truly irresponsible thing by blaming such behaviour on civilized society while blindly exonerating the real cause.

You refer to the “real cause”, but I don’t know what you think the real cause of those men beating that woman was. Also I don’t think the reporting was blaming civilized society for the beating. If they blamed anyone, it would be those men themselves. And what exactly is this “poisonous irrationality” you refer to?

 

[LeafByNiggle]

Meaning that people in Toronto can show such a profound lack of interest with regard to what is happening in Syria and other places in the world yet they still feel utterly confident in their “wisdom” with regard to taking in tens of thousands of refugees from those places pretending as if they actually know what they are doing, merely because a few video clips of refugees in desperate straights have been shown in the news.

No need to be educated and knowledgeable about what is really going on, just to be “charitable.”

thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks

It is a matter of degree. People are more interested in local news than they are in news about things on the other side of the world. That doesn’t mean those same people have no interest at all in world affairs.

And if video clips of refugees in desperate straits is not sufficient justification for wanting to allow them refuge, what more is required?

 

[Peter_Plato]

It is a matter of degree. People are more interested in local news than they are in news about things on the other side of the world. That doesn’t mean those same people have no interest at all in world affairs.

And if video clips of refugees in desperate straits is not sufficient justification for wanting to allow them refuge, what more is required?

Oh, it’s sufficient justification for “wanting” to allow them refuge, the question is whether any one prescribed action is the best option. For arriving at that decision, the mere fact of “wanting” isn’t sufficient.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

Oh, it’s sufficient justification for “wanting” to allow them refuge, the question is whether any one prescribed action is the best option. For arriving at that decision, the mere fact of “wanting” isn’t sufficient.

Well, it is kind of hard to “want” to offer them refuge and at the same time say “no way!”, and that is what some are calling for. (Unless what you mean is “wanting some else to solve the problem”)

 

[Peter_Plato]

Well, it is kind of hard to “want” to offer them refuge and at the same time say “no way!”, and that is what some are calling for. (Unless what you mean is “wanting some else to solve the problem”)

“Some[one] else” IS “solving” the problem. In fact, “some[one] else” IS creating the problem. Let’s not fool ourselves.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

“Some[one] else” IS “solving” the problem.

Oh, goody! We don’t have to do anything because the problem is being solved so there is no longer a need. (not!)

In fact, “some[one] else” IS creating the problem. Let’s not fool ourselves.

When the good Samaritan came across the man beaten on the road, he did not stop to consider who might have created the problem and subrogate the problem to the one who caused it. He just did what he could to solve it.

 

[Ignatius]

680news.com/2015/11/16/muslim-woman-attacked-outside-childrens-school-flemingdon-park/

What a sick crime! People, we need to stop judging innocent people and accusing them of things that they did not do. I can’t believe Islamophobia has taken over the minds of our people. Shame on the people who beat her and those who support them! We are much better than that!
Stereotype threat only causes the worse things to happen in society. I’m so sick and so angry at the lack of social justice in the world.

Seems that it turned out to be a Muslim attempted honor killing done in a way to avert blame from the actual culprets. See torontopolice.on.ca/