A New Theology

[ryanoneil]

I agree that we will have a new or heaven body after the resurrection, but I interpret this as having to have to due with discarding our old body.

Jesus old body was not discarded. It was glorified. Do not these verses say we will be raised just like Jesus?

(Rom 8:11) If the Spirit of the one who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, the one who raised Christ from the dead will give life to your mortal bodies also, through his Spirit that dwells in you.

(1 Thes 4:14) For if we believe that Jesus died and rose, so too will God, through Jesus, bring with him those who have fallen asleep.

(1 Cor 6:14) God raised the Lord and will also raise us by his power.

(2 Cor 4:14) knowing that the one who raised the Lord Jesus will raise us also with Jesus and place us with you in his presence.

(Phil 3:10-11) to know him and the power of his resurrection and (the) sharing of his sufferings by being conformed to his death, if somehow I may attain the resurrection from the dead.

Peace,

Ryan

 

[ryanoneil]

You are correct. Christ showed His disciples that He was raised in the flesh, and He carried His flesh back to Heaven to “sit at the right hand of God”.

Psalms 110:1 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Christ will not sit at the right hand of God for all eternity, but only until His enemies are made His footstool. In the end there is the Day of Judgment. Evil is destroyed. The enemies of God are “made his footstool.” At that time there is clearly something that changes, and Christ no longer sits at the right hand of God. That has great significance.

Notice also that Revelation refers to God the Father as Him that “was, is, and is to come”, but Revelation refers to Christ as “Alpha and Omega”, “The first and the last”, “the beginning and the end”. With Christ the middle is not mentioned since the middle is different, but in the end He will be as He was in the beginning. In the beginning Christ did not have flesh, but was part of God.

Dear StashLazarus,

I hope you don’t mind me challenging some of your theology. It is foreign to me and does not fit my understanding of things. Please believe that I’m trying to have a friendly discussion of ideas.

I understand your logic when quoting (Psalms 110:1), but I’m not sure that it clearly states Christ will stop sitting at God’s right hand. Take (1 Cor 15:24-25) for example:

*then comes the end, when he hands over the kingdom to his God and Father, when he has destroyed every sovereignty and every authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. *

Do you think Jesus will stop reigning when His enemies are put under His feet? Do you see my logic? Also, the Father says “I am the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end . . . I shall be His God and He shall be My Son.”, without mentioning the middle in (Rev 21:6)

I think Jesus will continue reigning with the Father, but will do so at His right hand as the Lamb.
(Rev 22:3) Nothing accursed will be found there anymore. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in it, and his servants will worship him.

Even though we think differently (and can’t say for sure how things will end), I’d like to give you credit for your line of thinking. I didn’t notice the “was, is, and is to come" difference until now. I’m looking forward to your response.

Peace,

Ryan

 

[StashLazarus]

It does make sense when you think Satan is still in Heaven because You don’t believe in Hell.

The Hell There Is!

But the eternal nature of hell is stressed in the New Testament. For example, in Mark 9:47–48 Jesus warns us, "t is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into hell, where the worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched." And in Revelation 14:11, we read: “And the smoke of their torment goes up for ever and ever; and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.”

“Worm does not die”
“Fire is not quenched”

In the Passover the remains of the lamb that was not eaten was burned with fire.

When the children of Israel were given manna to eat, the remains of the manna that was not eaten breed worms and stank.

“Worm does not die”, “Fire is not quenched” both seem to indicate punishment that is eternal, but there is no reason to believe Jesus is talking about eternal pain. The word “Fire”, may lead a person to believe Jesus is talking about eternal pain, but since Jesus uses both “Fire” and “Worms” this tends to suggest He is make reference to the Scriptures.

Yes, Jesus is talking about eternal punishment, but not eternal pain. When we turn away from the blessings of the Holy Spirit we suffer for it. This could be compared to wasted Passover lamb or wasted manna. “Fire” and “Worms” were used to destroy a wasted blessing. The eternal punishment is not eternal torment, is the eternal absence of a blessing, the eternal absence from God. God is love. God is life. This is the eternal absence of life.

In the quoted passage, Jesus talks about a person with a good eye and a bad eye. It is better to pluck out the bad eye, so that the whole person is not sent to hell. Over the years a lot of crazy people have read this passage and plucked their eye out.

What Jesus is saying is, if a person is part good and part bad, throw away the part that is bad and keep the part that is good. Once our flesh is discarded, our spirit is completely worthy of Heaven.

 

[StashLazarus]

Jesus old body was not discarded. It was glorified. Do not these verses say we will be raised just like Jesus?

(Rom 8:11) If the Spirit of the one who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, the one who raised Christ from the dead will give life to your mortal bodies also, through his Spirit that dwells in you.

(1 Thes 4:14) For if we believe that Jesus died and rose, so too will God, through Jesus, bring with him those who have fallen asleep.

(1 Cor 6:14) God raised the Lord and will also raise us by his power.

(2 Cor 4:14) knowing that the one who raised the Lord Jesus will raise us also with Jesus and place us with you in his presence.

(Phil 3:10-11) to know him and the power of his resurrection and (the) sharing of his sufferings by being conformed to his death, if somehow I may attain the resurrection from the dead.

Peace,

Ryan

I do acknowledge that we will be resurrected in the flesh. That doesn’t mean we will remain in the flesh for eternity, or that our flesh will be found worthy of eternal life on the Day of Judgment.

 

[water]

If you believe in the eternal punishment, but you deny of Hell, you simply contradict yourself.

 

[StashLazarus]

Dear StashLazarus,

I hope you don’t mind me challenging some of your theology. It is foreign to me and does not fit my understanding of things. Please believe that I’m trying to have a friendly discussion of ideas.

I understand your logic when quoting (Psalms 110:1), but I’m not sure that it clearly states Christ will stop sitting at God’s right hand. Take (1 Cor 15:24-25) for example:

then comes the end, when he hands over the kingdom to his God and Father, when he has destroyed every sovereignty and every authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.

Do you think Jesus will stop reigning when His enemies are put under His feet? Do you see my logic? Also, the Father says “I am the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end . . . I shall be His God and He shall be My Son.”, without mentioning the middle in (Rev 21:6)

I think Jesus will continue reigning with the Father, but will do so at His right hand as the Lamb.
(Rev 22:3) Nothing accursed will be found there anymore. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in it, and his servants will worship him.

Even though we think differently (and can’t say for sure how things will end), I’d like to give you credit for your line of thinking. I didn’t notice the “was, is, and is to come" difference until now. I’m looking forward to your response.

Peace,

Ryan

Jesus stop reigning? Yes, Jesus goes back to God.

Revelation 21 talks of the eternal kingdom of God. It talks of the new Heaven and the New Earth. The wedding of the Lamb. God wiping away all tears.

God said “It is done”, just as Christ had said on the cross “it is finished”.

Meaning at this point, Jesus has returned to God and is one with God and thus God says “I am Alpha and Omega”

Previously in Revelation, it was Jesus saying “I am Alpha and Omega”, but now it is God saying this.

Revelation 22 could also be seen as “God and the Lamb” being one since they are on one throne.

 

[ryanoneil]

Jesus stop reigning? Yes, Jesus goes back to God.

Revelation 21 talks of the eternal kingdom of God. It talks of the new Heaven and the New Earth. The wedding of the Lamb. God wiping away all tears.

God said “It is done”, just as Christ had said on the cross “it is finished”.

Meaning at this point, Jesus has returned to God and is one with God and thus God says “I am Alpha and Omega”

Previously in Revelation, it was Jesus saying “I am Alpha and Omega”, but now it is God saying this.

Revelation 22 could also be seen as “God and the Lamb” being one since they are on one throne.

Perhaps we should discuss our understanding of Jesus and the Father being one. I believe they have always been one. Take (John 17:11) for example.

And now I will no longer be in the world, but they are in the world, while I am coming to you. Holy Father, keep them in your name that you have given me, so that they may be one just as we are. - Here Jesus says he is one with the Father before His Passion.

Do you believe that Jesus and the Father were NOT one at some point?

Peace,

Ryan

 

[StashLazarus]

If you believe in the eternal punishment, but you deny of Hell, you simply contradict yourself.

Eternal death is eternal punishment; there is simply no torment involved.

 

[StashLazarus]

Perhaps we should discuss our understanding of Jesus and the Father being one. I believe they have always been one. Take (John 17:11) for example.

And now I will no longer be in the world, but they are in the world, while I am coming to you. Holy Father, keep them in your name that you have given me, so that they may be one just as we are. - Here Jesus says he is one with the Father before His Passion.

Do you believe that Jesus and the Father were NOT one at some point?

Peace,

Ryan

To know someone is to be one with them, as husband and wife are said to know each other. God “knew” or was one with Christ before the world began.

Jeremiah 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

By one, I mean completely and totally one entity as in Christ is a piece of God that became a separate entity at some point. Christ stated that He did not know the hour of His return, so Christ became a separation entity and this separation most likely would have occurred when or before God created time since Christ exists in time, but God transcends time. Christ must exist in time if He did not know the hour of His return, and if God separated part of Himself into the Spirit of Christ after creating time it seems to me that Christ would have all knowledge of time and would know the hour of His return.

As separate entities, God and Christ are still able to commune or communicate with each other to a greater degree than we are capable. This would be like the Holy Spirit we feel in prayer…only greater. Think of two Spirits occupying the same “space”, so that they have a degree of oneness. (Yet not completely one entity as they were before creation).

Jesus asked that the disciples be one as He and the Father are one; He did not ask for the disciples to be one as He and the Father were one before creation. He did not ask for the disciples to be made into one person, but for the disciples to have perfect love for each other and to be able to know each other and love each other to a degree that we not capable.

We are each separated from each other in our flesh and we cannot commune with each other to the degree that we will in Heaven.

*John 17:22-23 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. *

It is in Heaven that we will be one with each other. Not one in the same sense that God and Christ were one before creation, as in completely one person. In Heaven we will be one as Christ and God were one while Christ was in the world.

One question a lot of people are concerned with is, will we have sex in Heaven? It seems a lot of people don’t want to go to Heaven if they cannot have sex. Sex is pathetic shadow of the union we will have in Heaven. Sex is a physical union that produces pleasure. In Heaven we can have a spiritual union, where we, in a sense, will become one, and have great joy, as we will have perfect love for each other.

“that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one”

This is talking about Heaven.

 

[water]

Eternal death is eternal punishment; there is simply no torment involved.

Remember that your soul never dies.

 

[ralphinal]

Death is not punishment if it ends awareness. If I no longer exist, why do I care?

There is a danger in this theology. I cannot put my finger on it, as I have not had time to study it as I would like. But there is danger in this.

 

[uglygal]

Death is not punishment if it ends awareness. If I no longer exist, why do I care?

There is a danger in this theology. I cannot put my finger on it, as I have not had time to study it as I would like. But there is danger in this.

I agree

There is only one God. Jesus is not a separate God; but with Jesus, God sent a small part of Himself into the world, like in the expression, “a chip off the old block.”

isn’t that modalism?

This reconciles many conflicting verses in the Bible. We have eternal life through Christ, yet we are judged by our works. Our spirit is worthy of eternal life when judged by works,

I don;t believe these are conflicting versus as *living * faith requires works and works and faith cannot be separate?

yet God predetermined who would be born with His spirit of love.

and I think this is pre-destination?

I’m no expert but I agree with ralphinal.

 

[fellowChristian]

A new Theology?

Why do we need a new study of God?

What was wrong with the one Jesus gave us?

How can there be a new “church” ?

Jesus left us only one, His.

Whats wrong with the “old” church?

Why do “men” think they can do better than Jesus?

How can people who follow their “feelings” and “shop” for a church that tells them what they want to hear? Is that how it is suppose to be?

Where is the Faith in the church God left us?

Where is the Love for the church Jesus built on Peter?

Where is the Hope in the Holy Spirit leading His church?

One Lord,One Faith,One Baptism,One Shepherd,One Bride,One Bride Groom, One Creator,One Flock, One God,One Family,One Vine,One Door, One Flesh,
One Accord ,One Mind,One Body ,One Spirit ,One Heart

One Crucifix,One Savior

One, Holy ,Catholic, and Apostolic Church

 

[StashLazarus]

*“A new Theology?

Why do we need a new study of God?

What was wrong with the one Jesus gave us?”*

The question is, which is the one Jesus gave us? What exactly is the truth, and who has it? God sent a message to humanity in the Bible, but this message is concealed in a book of riddles. Who has the correct interpretation?

Paul said we should hold firm to the truth, and even if an angel should tell us something different we should not be misled. Christians will often us this as evidence that their version of the truth is the correct one. In fact, this doesn’t support anyone’s version of the truth since it can be used to support everyone’s version of the truth.

If you disagree with me, that is fine. God has never spoken to me. You shouldn’t say that I am wrong just because I am saying something that is different.

My view of the Bible is not a bad one. By the way I interpret the Bible, God is absolute and infinite Love and everything will work out wonderfully in the end. Everyone who has love will have eternal life even if they were born in a place and time that they never heard the name of Jesus. Perhaps everyone will make it to Heaven, I don’t know. As Jesus said we can see the effects of the spirit just like we can see the effects of the wind, but we cannot see the spirit. We cannot know who is born of God, and who is not. I believe that it is at least the great majority of people.

Not only do most or all of us get to go to Heaven, the Heaven we go to will be much greater than we can image since we will be made perfect.

This is not a bad thing.

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

Happiness is love. Happiness is not achieved by changing the world around us, but by changing ourselves. Heaven can be no better than Earth unless we are somehow transformed into better people. If we are simply transported to another place, or a different universe or a higher level of reality, our happiness will not increase in the slightest if we are not changed. If we are changed so that we have perfect love for each other, Heaven could take place on the Earth. It is the absolutely necessary change to us that results in Heaven, not the place to which we go.

Eternity is infinite, so a creature cannot have happiness for an eternity unless that creature has love that is infinite. Any creature that is less than perfect will eventual become miserable. Imagine existence in Heaven in the same beautiful mansion after a billion years. Not only must we be improved in order for Heaven to be Heaven, we must be made perfect in order for Heaven to remain Heaven for an eternity. Even if eternity consists of one eternal moment due to the elimination of time, happiness is love and happiness cannot be perfect unless love is perfect. We cannot make ourselves perfect, and no spiritual growth or development will ever cause us to become perfect, yet Heaven requires that we be perfect.

We are each one person, but we contain a physical body and a spiritual body. Our spiritual body is perfect love, but our physical mind tends to be selfish and causes all the poverty, war and unhappiness of this life.

There is only one God. Jesus is not a separate God; but with Jesus, God sent a small part of Himself into the world,

God is not composed of parts.​

like in the expression, “a chip off the old block.”

Agreed

This is why Jesus is called the Son of God and not the Brother of God. Jesus is the only one from the Earth who lived a life of complete and infinite perfection necessary for resurrection to eternal life.

His Resurrection was fore-ordained: it was sure to happen. It was far more than a reward. No man can deserve such a thing.​

In the end, Jesus will discard His flesh and go back to God, and He will again be one with God and there will be one God.

God the Blessed Trinity is eternally One - He cannot be changed or change. As for “discard[ing] His flesh” - that is saying that Christ Glorified can change.​

Because of His Righteousness, God must respect us as individuals

God is sovereign - He is under no obligations to us​

and not alter or use us as toys; but Christ is one of us; and since Christ discards His flesh, it is only fair and reasonable for us to be given the same opportunity.

There are no opportunities after death - only judgement.​

Besides, eternal life begins on earth - as the saints in Christ on earth are His hereafter too, what would they have opportunities for ? That implies that they are able to cease to be His hereafter. Which is totally unBiblical

Once separated from our flesh, our spirit is found to be worthy of eternal life, and capable of enjoying eternal life.

This means that all people who possess unselfish love for others will be made perfect and will have eternal life through Christ regardless of their religious or non-religious beliefs.

But not regardless of Christ - nothing at all in creation has any meaning without Him.​

…more…]

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

…last bit]

This reconciles many conflicting verses in the Bible. We have eternal life through Christ, yet we are judged by our works. Our spirit is worthy of eternal life when judged by works,

No. We are made “worthy” as men, not as spirits, & that “worthiness” is nothing without the grace of Christ. Of themselves, our works are filthy rags, for they come from us who are unclean before God.​

yet God predetermined who would be born with His spirit of love. When we have a spiritual experience, we find the spirit that God placed in our heart. The spirit was already there and was not created by the spiritual experience.

We don’t have to accept the unfair doctrine of substitution atonement.

It’s “unfair” only in the sense that is not based on justice. It comes from grace instead - & grace is often paradoxical.​

If Christ is not our Glorious Substitute - who else is going to take our sins & our punishment ? It’s because we deserve to, but cannot, that we have a Redeemer Who can - & has. That may seem unfair, but it is God’s Righteousness in action, condemning our sin yet saving us: not for our sakes, but for the Glory of His Name & His Son. SA may not be the whole truth, but it is certainly part of it: otherwise, why is Christ typified by the substitionary sacrifices of the old dispensation & by the Servant of the LORD ? The SotL in Isaiah 53 is in some sense a type of Christ - & he bears sins not his own. So why can his Greater Antitype not do so ? Types are pale antuicipations of what they typify - Jesus is far more excellent than the Servant, for He is both Servant & Son

We can now reconcile Old Testament claims that God believes in Justice with New Testament claims that we who do not deserve eternal life are given eternal life by the righteousness of Christ. We have eternal life thanks to the “grace” of Christ, which separates our spirit from our flesh. Our spirit fairly deserves eternal life, so there is Justice.

No - the whole man sins, so the whole man must be saved; for the whole man is under the righteous judgement of God. If we are saved only in part, we are not saved as men at all, but as spirits. That is not what God created us (Gen. 1.26-28).​

IOW, we have an unBiblical anthropology, going hand-in-hand with an unBiblical doctrine of sin, & an unBiblical Christology as the source of both. We are fallen creatures, fallen in the entirety of our nature - so we are corrupted in our entire nature - so we deserve damnation, spirit as well as flesh. Which is why we desperately need a Saviour, One Who is sufficient to the greatness of our need. And this Saviour God Himself has provided for us (Romans 3.25) To Him be all the Glory !

The death of Christ does not “satisfy” a vengeful God since God is not cruel or unfair. God is infinite Love, Mercy, Compassion and Justice. Christ was without sin and should never have died. Christ had to be killed so that He could return to the Father and provide grace.

Christ came into the world to do precisely that: to die, “the righteous for the unrighteous”. That is why the Greek word dei is used so often in the gospels in connection with the Death of Christ - His Death was something that “had to” happen; there was a necessity in it, because it was part of the counsel of God: it was an integral part of His purpose. No way was it a mistake or a blunder - with God there are none.​

As for being satisfactory - certainly the Death of Christ is that: it perfectly & superabundantly makes satisfaction for our sin, in every way. This kind of language (which is taken from the notion of sacrifice) does not imply any lack of mercy in God. Anything salvation short of so great a salvation implies that we have a small saviour, & not a Mighty God, as our Redeemer.

There is a reason that this had to be kept secret. If this method for the redemption of humanity is given widespread distribution, it will lead to Armageddon.

That is not what the Apostles were told.​

 

[fellowChristian]

The question is, which is the one Jesus gave us? What exactly is the truth, and who has it? God sent a message to humanity in the Bible, but this message is concealed in a book of riddles. Who has the correct interpretation?

Q: Why not ask the church that wrote the “book of riddles”?

Ephesians 5:25
25Husbands, love your wives, just as **Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her, **

How many Brides does Jesus have?

Ephesians 5:30
30because we are members of His body.

How many bodies does Jesus have?

Matthew 16:18

18"I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the **gates of Hades will not overpower it. **

Just in that one verse…

Jesus promises the gates of Hades would never prevail against the Church. This requires that the Church teach infallibly. If the Church did not have the gift of infallibility, the gates of Hades and error would prevail. Also, since the Catholic Church was the only Church that existed up until the Reformation, those who follow the Protestant reformers call Christ a liar by saying that Hades did prevail.

Matthew 28:20
20teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo,** I am with you always, even to the end of the age." **

Jesus promised to be with His church until the end.

John 14:16
Role of the Spirit
16"I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;

Jesus promises that the Holy Spirit would be with the Church forever. The Spirit prevents the teaching of error on faith and morals. It is guaranteed because the guarantee comes from God Himself who cannot lie.

John 14:26
26"But the Helper,** the Holy Spirit**, whom the Father will send in My name,** He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you. **

Jesus promises that the Holy Spirit would teach the Church (the apostles and successors) all things regarding the faith.

Where is your faith?

 

[swariffin]

Happiness is love. Happiness is not achieved by changing the world around us, but by changing ourselves. Heaven can be no better than Earth unless we are somehow transformed into better people. If we are simply transported to another place, or a different universe or a higher level of reality, our happiness will not increase in the slightest if we are not changed. If we are changed so that we have perfect love for each other, Heaven could take place on the Earth. It is the absolutely necessary change to us that results in Heaven, not the place to which we go.

There is only one God. Jesus is not a separate God; but with Jesus, God sent a small part of Himself into the world, like in the expression, “a chip off the old block.” This is why Jesus is called the Son of God and not the Brother of God. Jesus is the only one from the Earth who lived a life of complete and infinite perfection necessary for resurrection to eternal life.

To find out how go to:

thesegladtidings.com

Greetings to you Lazarus,

Sorry, I cut several paragraphs of your posting for quotation. Just to keep space efficient.

I agree with you on the first paragraph. It is correct. As we pray “Thy kingdom come, thy will be done. On earth as it is in heaven”. In this prayer, we are required to become the children of heaven, so we can make living in this world just like living in heaven, right now in each of our life and not the end of time. That is why we must proclaim peace, the real heavenly peace, not a self-defined peace. So much that we can really sing “Sleep… in heavenly peace… Sleep in heavenly peace.”

I disagree if you say that in Jesus, God sent **a small part **of Himself. In Jesus, we believe the fullness of God is in Him, although Jesus is not equivalent of God the Father. But, Jesus as well as God the Father, equals to God. One of our brother in other thread gave a simple but accurate picture description of Trinity. I will tell you where if I could find it again. Perhaps somebody could help?.

 

[StashLazarus]

God is not composed of parts.​

“a chip off the old block” is used to express that Christ is a piece of the essence of God. There is no implication that God is composed of parts.

His Resurrection was fore-ordained: it was sure to happen. It was far more than a reward. No man can deserve such a thing.​

I agree His resurrection was fore-ordained, but He was also perfect and it was complete fair and just that He be resurrected. No one else who has ever walked the Earth has deserved resurrection to eternal life.

God the Blessed Trinity is eternally One - He cannot be changed or change. As for “discard[ing] His flesh” - that is saying that Christ Glorified can change.​

Christ existed before He was born into this world. This means that Christ already changed at least once when He put on a fleshly body and was born into this world.

God is sovereign - He is under no obligations to us​

God is infinite Righteousness. God will not tell a lie. God will not do anything that is unfair. God provides infinite mercy to all, and only because we condemn others do we fall under judgment. There is none good but God, and God’s righteousness is absolute. It is because of His Righteousness that God will not use us as toys, this is not some obligation He has.

There are no opportunities after death - only judgement.​

Grace is provided to us by Christ. By using the word opportunity, I don’t mean to imply that it is something that we do.

 

[StashLazarus]

No. We are made “worthy” as men, not as spirits, & that “worthiness” is nothing without the grace of Christ. Of themselves, our works are filthy rags, for they come from us who are unclean before God.​

It is the spirit within us that is born of God; the flesh is born of flesh. The spirit was often called or compared to a seed in the parables of Christ.

*1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. *

*Ga 5:19-23 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. *

Our spirit comes from God, and even now our spirit is worthy. We in our entirety are not worthy.

It’s “unfair” only in the sense that is not based on justice. It comes from grace instead - & grace is often paradoxical.​

God can give eternal life to anyone He wants, whether they deserved it or not. By dieing on the cross, the Lord met His own requirement for the justification for the resurrection of whoever is resurrected to eternal Heaven. The death of Christ shows that God is completely fair and just since He sent His son to die on the cross to meet His own requirement.

Fair is fair. It isn’t right for one person to be punished for the sins of another and no amount of theological rhetoric can change that.

##If Christ is not our Glorious Substitute - who else is going to take our sins & our punishment ? It’s because we deserve to, but cannot, that we have a Redeemer Who can - & has. That may seem unfair, but it is God’s Righteousness in action, condemning our sin yet saving us: not for our sakes, but for the Glory of His Name & His Son. SA may not be the whole truth, but it is certainly part of it: otherwise, why is Christ typified by the substitionary sacrifices of the old dispensation & by the Servant of the LORD? The SotL in Isaiah 53 is in some sense a type of Christ - & he bears sins not his own. So why can his Greater Antitype not do so? Types are pale antuicipations of what they typify - Jesus is far more excellent than the Servant, for He is both Servant & Son

In Isaiah 53 the Messiah is wounded “because of our transgressions”, “because of our iniquities” and “with his stripes we were healed.” This does not say how the wounding of the Messiah causes us to be healed, but only that the wounding of the Messiah causes us to be healed.

No - the whole man sins, so the whole man must be saved; for the whole man is under the righteous judgement of God. If we are saved only in part, we are not saved as men at all, but as spirits. That is not what God created us (Gen. 1.26-28).​

As far as God creating us in the flesh, there were only two people created in the flesh by God (Adam and Eve).

*John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. *

After Adam and Eve, all flesh is born of flesh (except for Christ). It is the spirit within us that is born of God.

##IOW, we have an unBiblical anthropology, going hand-in-hand with an unBiblical doctrine of sin, & an unBiblical Christology as the source of both. We are fallen creatures, fallen in the entirety of our nature - so we are corrupted in our entire nature - so we deserve damnation, spirit as well as flesh. Which is why we desperately need a Saviour, One Who is sufficient to the greatness of our need. And this Saviour God Himself has provided for us (Romans 3.25) To Him be all the Glory !

Not unbiblical, but un-the-way-you-interpret-the-Bible-ical.