A peaceful man that Muhammad was

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We continue learning about Muhammad’s peaceful life in Mecca:

FIRST CONVERTS
21. Waraqa evidently referred to the prophecy in Deuteronomy
18 : 18. When the news reached Zaid, the Prophet’s freed
slave, now about thirty years of age, and his cousin 'Ali, about
eleven, they both declared their faith in him. Abu Bakr,
friend of his childhood, was out of town. As he returned he
began to hear of this new experience which the Prophet had had.
He was told that his friend had gone mad and had begun to
say that angels brought him messages from God. Abu Bakr
trusted the Prophet completely. He did not doubt for a
minute that the Prophet must be right-he had known him to
be both sane and sincere. He knocked at the Prophet’s door
and on admission into his company asked him what had
happened. The Prophet, fearing lest Abu Bakr should mis-
understand, began a long explanation. Abu Bakr stopped the
Prophet from doing so, and insisted that all he wanted to know
was whether an angel had really descended upon him from
God and had given him a Message. The Prophet wanted to
explain again, but Abu Bakr said he wanted to hear no explana-
tion. He wanted only an answer to the question whether he
had had a Message from God. The Prophet said, “Yes” and
Abu Bakr at once declared his faith. Having declared his
faith, he said, argument would have detracted from the value
of his faith. He had known the Prophet long and intimately.
He could not doubt him, and he wanted no argument to be
convinced of his truth.
22. This small group of the Faithful then were the first believers of Islam : a woman full of years,
an eleven-year-old boy, a freed slave living among strangers,
a young friend and the Prophet himself. This was the party
which made the silent resolve to spread the light of God all
over the world.
23. When the people and their leaders heard of
this, they laughed and declared that these men had gone mad.
There was nothing to fear and nothing to worry about. But as
time went on, the truth began to dawn and as the Prophet
Isaiah (28 : 13) said long ago, precept upon precept, precept
upon precept ; line upon line, line upon line ; here a little, and
there a little ; began to descend upon the Prophet.
24. THE FAITHFUL PERSECUTED
God began to talk to Muhammad in “another tongue”. The
youth of the country began to wonder. Those in search of
truth became excited. Out of scorn and derision began to
grow approval and admiration. Slaves, young men, and hap-
less women began to collect around the Prophet. In his
Message and in his teaching there was hope for the degraded,
the depressed and the young. Women thought the time for
the restoration of their rights was near. Slaves thought the
day of their liberation had come and young men thought the
avenues of progress were going to be thrown open to them.
25. When derision began to change into approval and indifference
into attachment, the chiefs of Mecca and the officials began to
take fright. They assembled and took counsel. They decided
that derision was no method to deal with this menace. A more
serious remedy had to be applied. The new influence had to
be put down by force.
26. It was decided that persecution and some
form of boycott must be instituted. Practical steps were soon
taken, and Mecca was pitched against Islam in a serious conflict.
The Prophet and his small following were no longer considered
mad, but a growing influence which, if allowed to grow un-
impeded, would prove a danger to the faith, prestige, customs
and traditions of Mecca. Islam threatened to pull down and
rebuild the old structure of Meccan society, to create a new
heaven and a new earth, the coming of which must mean the
disappearance of the old heaven of Arabia and its old heart.
Meccans could no longer laugh at Islam.
27. It was a question now
of life and death for them. Islam was a challenge and Mecca
accepted the challenge, as enemies of Prophets had always
accepted the challenge of their Prophets. They decided not
to meet argument by argument but to draw the sword and put
down the dangerous teaching by force ; not to match the good
example of the Prophet and his followers by their own, nor to
reply to kind words in kind, but to maltreat the innocent and to
abuse those who spoke kindly.
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Why is ISLAM so peaceful to non-Muslims.

The Qur’anic peace (“…be merciful to one another, but ruthless to unbelievers” Sura 48:29) compared to in the beatitudes (Matthew 5:3), it is the Christian principle to “love your enemies” (whereby Christians are by mandated to love all Muslims). The Muslim concept can be viewed as the opposite extreme as is evident in the Hadith where they are required to persecute the Christians & Jews:

***“when judgment day arrives, Allah will give every Muslim, a Jew or Christian to kill so that the Muslim will not enter into hell fire.” ***(Mishkat Al-Messabih, vol. 2, no.5552)

Even the Qur’an alludes to the fact that Muslims are to not befriend Jews or Christians.
“O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors. They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is one of them. Allah guideth not a people unjust.” Sura 5:51

Sura 5:51, 9:5, 9:29 and many others verses have given rise to cultural divisions and this attitude is even applied today with the infamous and influential Muslim, Ayatollah Khomeini’s contempt for non-Muslims:
There are eleven things which are impure: urine, excrement, sperm, bones, blood, dogs, pigs, non-Muslim men and women, wine, beer, and the sweat of the excrement-eating camel.
Every part of the body of a non-Muslim individual is impure, even the hair on his hand and his body hair, his nails, and all the secretions of the body.
Any man or woman who denies the existence of Allah, or believes in His partners [the Christian Trinity], or else does not believe in His Prophet Muhammad, is impure (in the same way as are excrement, urine, dog, and wine). He is so even if he doubts any one of these principles.
It is forbidden to touch a page of the Qur’an with anything impure; if such a thing should happen, the page must immediately be washed.
One must avoid giving the Qur’an to an infidel; it is even recommended that it be forcibly taken away from him if he already has it in his hands”


In Conclusion:
What the West doesn’t understand is that according to Islam, Sura 2:256, which teaches freedom of religion, IS NO LONGER VALID AS IT HAS BEEN ABROGATED ‘Naskh’ BY LATER REVELATIONS which were given to Mohammed.

In his book, How to Perfect the Science of the Qur’an (Al-Itqan), writes Mr. Al-Syoti, in volume 2 page 37; **“THE VERSE OF THE SWORD 9:5 HAS ABROGATED (annulled, cancelled) one hundred and twenty four Qur’anic verses and all what came in the Qur’an on matters of forgiving and ignoring, unbelievers have been replaced (Mansookha), BY THE VERSE OF THE SWORD.” **

This is also conferred by the highest of the interpreters of the Qur’an. For further evidence refer to the following; Kitab Al-Nasekh Wal-mansookh, by Al-Neesaburi. Al-Hafeth Ibnu Katheer Ibin Abas. Al-Tasheel Lulum Al-Tanzeel. Al-Husain Ibn Fadl. Abu Abdullah Muhammad Ibn Hazm. Al-Muhaqiq Abu Al-Qasim Hibatullah Ibn Salameh. Al-Sudy Wa-AlDahak. Muhammad Abdulsalam Faraj.

The evidence on the abrogation of verses which calls for tolerance and patience CANNOT BE REFUTED. PEOPLE IN THE WEST NEED TO BE AWAKENED, they cannot ignore what is really taught in the East, that is; to Islamize the West. Again, the banners one sees in all Islamic rallies and demonstrations proves the point - “Islam to the World.” (Walid, Crash Course in Jihad, pg 4)

VERY PEACEFUL…
 
Why is ISLAM so peaceful to non-Muslims.

The Qur’anic peace (“…be merciful to one another, but ruthless to unbelievers” Sura 48:29) compared to in the beatitudes (Matthew 5:3), it is the Christian principle to “love your enemies” (whereby Christians are by mandated to love all Muslims). The Muslim concept can be viewed as the opposite extreme as is evident in the Hadith where they are required to persecute the Christians & Jews:

***“when judgment day arrives, Allah will give every Muslim, a Jew or Christian to kill so that the Muslim will not enter into hell fire.” ***(Mishkat Al-Messabih, vol. 2, no.5552)

Even the Qur’an alludes to the fact that Muslims are to not befriend Jews or Christians.
“O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors. They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is one of them. Allah guideth not a people unjust.” Sura 5:51

Sura 5:51, 9:5, 9:29 and many others verses have given rise to cultural divisions and this attitude is even applied today with the infamous and influential Muslim, Ayatollah Khomeini’s contempt for non-Muslims:
There are eleven things which are impure: urine, excrement, sperm, bones, blood, dogs, pigs, non-Muslim men and women, wine, beer, and the sweat of the excrement-eating camel.
Every part of the body of a non-Muslim individual is impure, even the hair on his hand and his body hair, his nails, and all the secretions of the body.
Any man or woman who denies the existence of Allah, or believes in His partners [the Christian Trinity], or else does not believe in His Prophet Muhammad, is impure (in the same way as are excrement, urine, dog, and wine). He is so even if he doubts any one of these principles.
It is forbidden to touch a page of the Qur’an with anything impure; if such a thing should happen, the page must immediately be washed.
One must avoid giving the Qur’an to an infidel; it is even recommended that it be forcibly taken away from him if he already has it in his hands”

In Conclusion:
What the West doesn’t understand is that according to Islam, Sura 2:256, which teaches freedom of religion, IS NO LONGER VALID AS IT HAS BEEN ABROGATED ‘Naskh’ BY LATER REVELATIONS which were given to Mohammed.

In his book, How to Perfect the Science of the Qur’an (Al-Itqan), writes Mr. Al-Syoti, in volume 2 page 37; **“THE VERSE OF THE SWORD 9:5 HAS ABROGATED (annulled, cancelled) one hundred and twenty four Qur’anic verses and all what came in the Qur’an on matters of forgiving and ignoring, unbelievers have been replaced (Mansookha), BY THE VERSE OF THE SWORD.” **

This is also conferred by the highest of the interpreters of the Qur’an. For further evidence refer to the following; Kitab Al-Nasekh Wal-mansookh, by Al-Neesaburi. Al-Hafeth Ibnu Katheer Ibin Abas. Al-Tasheel Lulum Al-Tanzeel. Al-Husain Ibn Fadl. Abu Abdullah Muhammad Ibn Hazm. Al-Muhaqiq Abu Al-Qasim Hibatullah Ibn Salameh. Al-Sudy Wa-AlDahak. Muhammad Abdulsalam Faraj.

The evidence on the abrogation of verses which calls for tolerance and patience CANNOT BE REFUTED. PEOPLE IN THE WEST NEED TO BE AWAKENED, they cannot ignore what is really taught in the East, that is; to Islamize the West. Again, the banners one sees in all Islamic rallies and demonstrations proves the point - “Islam to the World.” (Walid, Crash Course in Jihad, pg 4)

VERY PEACEFUL…
Well shuck my corn! :yawn: I could care less what the false prophet M. has said. I wouldn’t give a rat’s behind. Bring 'em on. Let me be persecuted for being a Christian. So what if I’m considered less than the sweat from a dung eating camel! Muhammad is in hell, and that’s that. Good riddence to bad rubbish.
 
paarsurrey,
Muhammad was not peaceful in Mecca. Unless you call causing trouble at the Ka’aba peaceful.

The problem is that Muhammad went into the Ka’aba and interrupted the pagan worship. He was told in no uncertain terms to desist from ‘chanting’ the Quran and trying to proselytize in the Ka’aba district. However, he continued to defy the pagans and caused trouble for the pagans in their temple.

You see - what Muhammad did was like a Jew going to the mosque and preaching from the Talmud. Or a Buddhist monk going to a Catholic cathedral and interrupting the lithurgies by chanting the sutras.

But being a Muslim you will complete fail to see how Muhammad caused trouble for the pagans by trying to steal their pagan temple, the Ka’aba.

That, my friend, is not peaceful behavior.
 
Unless you call causing trouble at the Ka’aba peaceful.
Hi
Muhammad and Jesus were brothers (metaphorical) ProphetsMessengers in service of GodAllahYHWH. The Jews say that Jesus started a commotion in the main Synagogue in Jerusalem. I dno’t believe them but that is what they say.
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The first and primary source on “Jesus did not die on Cross” and later died naturally is the pristine Word of God revealed on the PromisedMessiahImamMahdi 1835-1908.
 
Hi
The West, as I understand, due to certain disinformation mostly because of the mislead Mullah/clergy that serves the purpose of rulers have been given to understand that Islam is a religion of violence, converting others by sword and punishing those who leave Islam by killing them. This suited the rulers as also the clergy for keeping the public subjugated. But this has been the religion of the establishment that may be called as MullahIslam or MullahShariah; this has nothing to do with Islam/Quran/Muhammad. Under this thread I intend to uncover the yet hidden face of true Islam as I understand from Quran and the life of Muhammad, both are open books, no mystery. The true face of peaceful and human loving Muhammad and his religion Islam which is truly speaking moral and peaceful, is very close to the present day concepts as would be seen here.

The first forty years i.e. before Muhammad was appointed ProphetMessenger by GodAllahYHWH has been offered as a reasonable argument/challenge in Quran before Infidels-of-Mecca, and they could not deny its truthfulness.

Muhammad had a marvelous record of a peace loving person for 40+13+2=55 years, he joined in welfare activities if there was any in Mecca, he helped the needy and in distress, he stood for the human cause, he never harmed any person. His record in these 55 years is clean by any standards.
I will be presenting certain events of Muhammad from these first 55 years of his life.
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The only way to make Muhammed peaceful was to take away his sword from slaying innocent Christians.
 
Hi
Muhammad and Jesus were brothers (metaphorical) ProphetsMessengers in service of GodAllahYHWH. The Jews say that Jesus started a commotion in the main Synagogue in Jerusalem. I dno’t believe them but that is what they say.
Thanks

The first and primary source on “Jesus did not die on Cross” and later died naturally is the pristine Word of God revealed on the PromisedMessiahImamMahdi 1835-1908.
The GOSPEL ( INJEEL) SAYS Jesus overturned the money changers tables in the Jewish Temple.
Jesus DID die on the cross, was that Mahdi you mention Bahai Alu?
 
The GOSPEL ( INJEEL) SAYS Jesus overturned the money changers tables in the Jewish Temple.
Jesus DID die on the cross, was that Mahdi you mention Bahai Alu?
Hi
I give an overview for your information:
alislam.org/introduction/index.html
The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community is a religious organization, international in its scope, with branches in over 185 countries in Africa, North America, South America, Asia, Australasia, and Europe. This is the most dynamic denomination of Islam in modern history, with worldwide membership exceeding tens of millions.

The Ahmadiyya Community was established in 1889 by Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (1835-1908) in a small and remote village, Qadian, in the Punjab, India. He claimed to be the expected reformer of the latter days, the Awaited One of the world community of religions (The Mahdi and Messiah). The Community he started is an embodiment of the benevolent message of Islam – peace, universal brotherhood, and submission to the Will of God – in its pristine purity. Hadhrat Ahmad proclaimed Islam as the religion of man: “The religion of the people of the right path” (98:6)

With this conviction, the Ahmadiyya Community, within a century, has reached the corners of the Earth. Wherever the Community is established, it endeavors to exert a constructive influence of Islam through social projects, educational institutes, health services, Islamic publications and construction of mosques, despite being bitterly persecuted in some countries. Ahmadi Muslims have earned the distinction of being a law-abiding, peaceful, persevering and benevolent community.

The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community in Islam was created under divine guidance with the objective to rejuvenate Islamic moral and spiritual values. It encourages interfaith dialogue, and diligently defends Islam and tries to correct misunderstandings about Islam in the West. It advocates peace, tolerance, love and understanding among followers of different faiths. It firmly believes in and acts upon the Qur’anic teaching: “There is no compulsion in religion.” (2:257) It strongly rejects violence and terrorism in any form and for any reason.

The Community offers a clear presentation of Islamic wisdom, philosophy, morals and spirituality as derived from the Holy Qur’an and the practice (Sunnah) of the Holy Prophet of Islam, Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be on him). Some Ahmadis’, like late Sir Muhammad Zafrulla Khan (who served as the first Foreign Minister of Pakistan; President of the 17th General Assembly of U.N.O.; President and Judge of the International Court of Justice, at the Hague), and Dr. Abdus Salam (the Nobel Laureate in Physics in 1979), have also been recognized by the world community for their outstanding services and achievements.

After the demise of its founder, the Ahmadiyya Community has been headed by his elected successors – Khalifas. The present Head of the Movement, Hadhrat Mirza Masroor Ahmad, was elected in 2003. His official title is Khalifatul Massih V.

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The only way to make Muhammed peaceful was to take away his sword from slaying innocent Christians.
Hi
I think it is a Catholic belief that only Jesus was innocent? Perhaps you don’t believe that the Christians could also be sinful or at fault. Do you?
Thanks

The Word of GodAllahYHWH is and had been the first/authentic and primary source of human knowledge whether revealed on Moses/Jesus/Muhammad or Mirza Ghulam Ahmad; it is of itself complete and without doubt and requires no external witnessing.
The Catholics, to me, don’t believe Jesus (and the Word of GodAllahYHWH revealed on Jesus); they believe blindly, excuse me, whatever creed the Catholic Clergy have approved of for them.
 
Hi
I give an overview for your information:
alislam.org/introduction/index.html
The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community is a religious organization, international in its scope, with branches in over 185 countries in Africa, North America, South America, Asia, Australasia, and Europe. This is the most dynamic denomination of Islam in modern history, with worldwide membership exceeding tens of millions.

The Ahmadiyya Community was established in 1889 by Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (1835-1908) in a small and remote village, Qadian, in the Punjab, India. He claimed to be the expected reformer of the latter days, the Awaited One of the world community of religions (The Mahdi and Messiah). The Community he started is an embodiment of the benevolent message of Islam – peace, universal brotherhood, and submission to the Will of God – in its pristine purity. Hadhrat Ahmad proclaimed Islam as the religion of man: “The religion of the people of the right path” (98:6)

With this conviction, the Ahmadiyya Community, within a century, has reached the corners of the Earth. Wherever the Community is established, it endeavors to exert a constructive influence of Islam through social projects, educational institutes, health services, Islamic publications and construction of mosques, despite being bitterly persecuted in some countries. Ahmadi Muslims have earned the distinction of being a law-abiding, peaceful, persevering and benevolent community.

The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community in Islam was created under divine guidance with the objective to rejuvenate Islamic moral and spiritual values. It encourages interfaith dialogue, and diligently defends Islam and tries to correct misunderstandings about Islam in the West. It advocates peace, tolerance, love and understanding among followers of different faiths. It firmly believes in and acts upon the Qur’anic teaching: “There is no compulsion in religion.” (2:257) It strongly rejects violence and terrorism in any form and for any reason.
How do you know that it was created “under divine guidance”? Because the Mahdi said so? No other proof required?
The Community offers a clear presentation of Islamic wisdom, philosophy, morals and spirituality as derived from the Holy Qur’an and the practice (Sunnah) of the Holy Prophet of Islam, Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be on him).
What “Islamic wisdom”? You mean things like believing that the devil sleeps up peoples noses at night or that he pees in the ears of those who fall asleep during prayer?

Islamic wisdom falls under the realm of fairytales, nightmare and downright insanity!

Vickie
 
How do you know that it was created “under divine guidance”? Because the Mahdi said so? No other proof required?

What “Islamic wisdom”? You mean things like believing that the devil sleeps up peoples noses at night or that he pees in the ears of those who fall asleep during prayer?
Islamic wisdom falls under the realm of fairytales, nightmare and downright insanity!
Vickie
Hi
May GodAllahYHWH bless you!
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Hi
I think it is a Catholic belief that only Jesus was innocent? Perhaps you don’t believe that the Christians could also be sinful or at fault. Do you?
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Yes,Jesus was innocent.The rest of us are not so innocent.
Mary,His Mother was also sinless.

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The Catholics, to me, don’t believe Jesus (and the Word of GodAllahYHWH revealed on Jesus); they believe blindly, excuse me, whatever creed the Catholic Clergy have approved of for them.
Catholics believe blindly??? I thought it was Muslims who did that.
I haven’t seen much freedom for christians in muslim countries,but i do see plenty of mosques in my country which were not there when i was a boy.
 
Hi
I think it is a Catholic belief that only Jesus was innocent? Perhaps you don’t believe that the Christians could also be sinful or at fault. Do you?
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QUOTE The Catholics, to me, don’t believe Jesus (and the Word of GodAllahYHWH revealed on Jesus); they believe blindly, excuse me, whatever creed the Catholic Clergy have approved of for them.
Jesus and His Mother Mary were sinless,the rest of us are not so innocent.

Catholics believe blindly??? I thought it was Muslims who did that.
I haven’t seen much free thinking being allowed for anyone,never mind christians,in muslim countries,but i do see plenty of mosques in my country which were not there when i was a boy.
 
Hi
I think it is a Catholic belief that only Jesus was innocent? Perhaps you don’t believe that the Christians could also be sinful or at fault. Do you?
Thanks

The Word of GodAllahYHWH is and had been the first/authentic and primary source of human knowledge whether revealed on Moses/Jesus/Muhammad or Mirza Ghulam Ahmad; it is of itself complete and without doubt and requires no external witnessing.
The Catholics, to me, don’t believe Jesus (and the Word of GodAllahYHWH revealed on Jesus); they believe blindly, excuse me, whatever creed the Catholic Clergy have approved of for them.
The truth is that you seem to know nothing about Catholics or other Christians. Does it make you feel more superior to insult the faith of others and to believe that your faith and your study is superior?

You are contantly posting pages and pages of text written by other people. You seldom post anything of signicance that you compose yourself. It seems to me that perhaps it is you who is blindly following what someone else is telling you to believe.
 
The truth is that you seem to know nothing about Catholics or other Christians. Does it make you feel more superior to insult the faith of others and to believe that your faith and your study is superior?

You are contantly posting pages and pages of text written by other people. You seldom post anything of signicance that you compose yourself. It seems to me that perhaps it is you who is blindly following what someone else is telling you to believe.
Bullseye! Great post! I sometimes wonder if they have any original thoughts or ideas in their heads at all!

After a while they all sound the same, they use the same expressions. I don’t think there’s been one Muslim on this site who hasn’t asked where did Jesus say " I am God, worship me". They’re all programmed with the same stuff.

Vickie 👍
 
Bullseye! Great post! I sometimes wonder if they have any original thoughts or ideas in their heads at all!

After a while they all sound the same, they use the same expressions. I don’t think there’s been one Muslim on this site who hasn’t asked where did Jesus say " I am God, worship me". They’re all programmed with the same stuff.

Vickie 👍
The truth is that you seem to know nothing about Catholics or other Christians. Does it make you feel more superior to insult the faith of others and to believe that your faith and your study is superior?

You are contantly posting pages and pages of text written by other people. You seldom post anything of signicance that you compose yourself. It seems to me that perhaps it is you who is blindly following what someone else is telling you to believe.
You have expressed what I have been thinking.
 
I think most of us seem to agree that those fomenting violence against people simply because they are not Muslims is wrong. Would you all agree that if given the opportunity every Imam that encourages violence should be quickly and efficienty executed on the spot? That alone would save many lives.

CDL
 
Ok, so he was peaceful for part of his life. But not for the latter part.

You simply can not forget the fact that for like 13 years he was a violent madman.
and the marrying of a 6 year old…
 
Jesus and His Mother Mary were sinless, the rest of us are not so innocent.
Catholics believe blindly??? I thought it was Muslims who did that.
I haven’t seen much free thinking being allowed for anyone, never mind Christians, in Muslim countries, but I do see plenty of mosques in my country which were not there when I was a boy.
Hi
I think in your earlier post we were discussing about the time of Muhammad and the Christian dynasties of his time, of whom you commented they were innocent; they could make mistake.
I agree with you that presently in some Muslim countries freedom of religion is not allowed; for that Muhammad is not responsible, as he is not controlling them, the Government of those countries are responsible for that.
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