A peaceful man that Muhammad was

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obadiah said:
I agree with you, but please do not aggrevate bad feelings.
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I haven’t noticed Paarsurrey being offended.He/she is swamping these boards.I don’t think he/she is as gentle as originally thought.Compared to certain other Islamists,he/she just seems to be gentle.
 
burnside said:
I haven’t noticed Paarsurrey being offended.He/she is swamping these boards.I don’t think he/she is as gentle as originally thought.Compared to certain other Islamists,he/she just seems to be gentle.
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Hi
You people are nice people.
May GodAllahYHWH bless you!
I love Jesus and Mary.
Thanks
 
paarsurrey said:
Hi
I think in your earlier post we were discussing about the time of Muhammad and the Christian dynasties of his time, of whom you commented they were innocent; they could make mistake.

I said ONLY that Jesus and His Holy Mother Mary were sinless,not other Christians,though there have been a lot of Christians who have lived very saintly lives.Personally,i don’t come into that category,but when i fall into temptation i pick myself up and try again.
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BelFarfalla said:
I’m not sure that it is aggravating bad feeling but instead keeping things in perspective. We do need to remember the goal of this thread… to convert Catholics and other Christians to Islam.
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I will never convert, I am happily Orthodox and do not need the new revelation of muhammad. Even though I try to understand it.
 
obadiah said:
Yes, he is Muslim
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Hi
Yes, I am an Ahmadi- a peaceful faith in Islam, but you need not convert, you remain where you are, steadfast on your faith. There is no dearth of numbers here, please treat it only a search for truth, while one is already on the right path.
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obadiah said:
I will never convert, I am happily Orthodox and do not need the new revelation of muhammad. Even though I try to understand it.
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I agree with you. I would never convert to Islam or anything else. I just wish that Muslims would quite trying to convert us here.
 
paarsurrey said:
Hi
Yes, I am an Ahmadi- a peaceful faith in Islam, but you need not convert, you remain where you are, steadfast on your faith. There is no dearth of numbers here, please treat it only a search for truth, while one is already on the right path.
Thanks
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Anything to do with Muhammad. No thanks. 🙂 I have been dealing and living with the Muslims my whole life. We do search for the truth, of course, in Jesus not with Muhammad. He is too far to be saint, let a lone a prophet.

I feel sorry for some of other islamic sects that considering ahmaddiya is a heresey and evil cult.
 
Hi
We continue learning about Muhammad’s peaceful life in Mecca:
  1. Once again in the world a conflict started between belief and disbelief; the forces of Satan declared war on the angels. The Faithful, still a handful,
    had no power to resist the onslaughts and violence of the
    disbelievers. A most cruel campaign began. Women were
    butchered shamelessly. Men were slaughtered. The slaves
    who had declared their faith in the Prophet were dragged over
    burning sands and stones. Their skins became hardened like
    those of animals. A long time after, when Islam had become
    established far and near, one of these early converts named
    bin Al-Arat had his body exposed. His friends saw
    his skin hardened like an animal’s and asked him why it was
    so. Khabbab laughed and said it was nothing ; only a memory
    of those early days when slaves converted to Islam were dragged
    through the streets of Mecca over hard and hot sands and stones
    (Musnad, Vol. 5 , p. 110).
    The slaves who believed came from all communities.
  2. Bilal was a negro, Suhaib a Greek. They belonged to different
    faiths. Jabr and Suhaib were Christians, Bilal and `Ammar,
    idol-worshippers. Bilal w as made to lie on hot sand, loaded
    with stones, and boys were made to dance on his chest, and
    his master, Umayya bin Khalf, tortured him thus and then
    asked him to renounce Allah and the Prophet and sing the
    praises of the Meccan gods, Lat a nd 'Uzza. Bilal o nly said,
    Ahad, Ahad . . . (God is One).
  3. Exasperated, Umayya handed Bilal over to street boys, asking
    them to put a cord round his neck and drag him through the
    town over sharp stones. Bilal’s body bled, but he went on
    muttering, Ahad, Ahad … Later, when Muslims settled in
    Medina and were able to live and worship in comparative
    peace, the Holy Prophet appointed Bilal a Mu’adhdhin, the
    official who calls the worshippers to prayers. Being an African,
    missed the (h) in the Arabic Ash-hadu (I bear witness).
    Medinite believers laughed at his defective pronunciation, but
    the Prophet rebuked them and told them how dear Bilal was
    to God for the stout faith he showed under Meccan tortures.
    Abu Bakr paid ransom for Bilal and many other slaves and
    secured their release.
  4. Among them was Suhaib, a prosperous
    merchant, whom the Quraish continued to belabour even after
    his release. When the Holy Prophet left Mecca to settle down
    in Medina, Suhaib wanted to go with him. But the Meccans
    stopped him. He could not take away from Mecca, they said,
    the wealth he had earned in Mecca. Suhaib offered to surren-
    der all his property and earnings and asked whether they would
    then let him go. The Meccans accepted the arrangement.
    Suhaib reached Medina empty-handed and saw the Prophet,
    who heard him and congratulated him, saying, “This was the
    best bargain of your life.”
  5. Most of these slave-converts remained steadfast in outer as
    well as inner professions of faith. But some were weak. Once
    the Holy Prophet found Ammar groaning with pain and drying his tears. Approached by the Prophet, Ammar said he had
    been beaten and compelled to recant. The Prophet asked him,
    " But did you believe at heart ?" ’ Ammar declared that he
    did, and the Prophet said that God would forgive his weakness.
    father, Yasir, a nd his mother, Samiyya, also were
    tormented by disbelievers. On one such occasion the Prophet
    happened to pass by. Filled with emotion, he said, “Family
    of Yasir, b ear up patiently, for God has prepared for you a
    Paradise.” The prophetic words were soon fulfilled. Yasir
    succumbed to the tortures, and a little later Abu Jahl murdered
    his aged wife, Samiyya, with a spear.
  6. Zinnira, a woman slave, lost her eyes under the cruel treat-
    ment of disbelievers.
    Abu Fukaih, Safwan bin Umayya’s s lave, was laid on hot
    sand while over his chest were placed heavy and hot stones,
    under pain of which his tongue dropped out.
    Other slaves were mishandled in similar ways.
  7. These cruelties were beyond endurance. But early believers bore them because their hearts were made stout by assurances received daily from God. The Quran descended on the
    Prophet, but the reassuring voice of God descended on all
    believers. Were not this so, the Faithful could not have
    withstood the cruelties to which they were subjected. Aban-
    doned by fellow-men, friends and relations, they had none but
    God with them, and they cared not whether they had anyone
    else. Because of Him, the cruelties seemed nothing, abuse
    sounded like prayers and stones seemed like velvet.
    Thanks
 
dolphinlove said:
Just trying to be friendly…
But since you dont want to oblige, oh well…
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Hi
Yes, I am a male. We are already friends and brothers in humanity; and of course we are engaged in a friendly discussion in search of truth. You are welcome for your further frienldy gesture.
Thanks
 
Hi
We continue learning about Muhammad’s peaceful life in Mecca:
35. The free citizens who believed were not less cruelly treated.
Their elders and chiefs tormented them in different ways.
'Uthman was a man of forty, and prosperous. Yet when the
Quraish resolved upon general persecution of Muslims, his
uncle, Hakam, tied him up and beat him.
36. Zubair bin al-awwam a brave young lad who later became a great Muslim
general, was wrapped up in a mat by his uncle, smoked from
underneath and tortured by suffocation. But he would not
recant. He had found Truth and would not give it up.
37. Abu Dharr, of the tribe of Ghaffar, heard of the Prophet and
went to Mecca to investigate. The Meccans dissuaded him,
saying that they knew Muhammad well and that his Movement
was only a selfish design. Abu Dharr was not impressed ; so he
went to the Prophet, heard the Message of Islam straight from
him and was converted. Abu Dharr asked if he could keep his
faith secret from his tribe. The Prophet said he could do
so for a few days. But as he passed through the streets of
Mecca he heard a party of Meccan chiefs abuse the Holy Prophet
and make vile attacks. No longer could he keep his faith
secret, and he declared at once : “I bear witness that there is
no God but Allah, and that there is no one like Allah; and
Muhammad is His Servant and Prophet.” This cry raised in an
assembly of disbelievers seemed to them an effrontery. They
rose in wrath and belaboured him until he fell down senseless.
The Prophet’s uncle `Abbas, not a convert yet, passed by and
began to remonstrate on behalf of the victim. “Your food
caravans pass through Abu Dharr’s tribe,” he said, “and angered
at your treatment, his people can starve you to death.” The
following day Abu Dharr stayed at home. But the day after
he went again to the same assembly and found them abusing the
Holy Prophet as before. He went to the Ka’ba and found
people doing the same. He could not restrain himself, stood
up and made a loud declaration of his faith. Again he was
severely handled. The same thing happened a third time, and
Dharr went back to his tribe.
38. The Holy Prophet himself was no exception to the cruel treat-
ment meted out to the Faithful. On one occasion he was in
prayer. A party of disbelievers put a mantle round his neck
and dragged him ; his eyes seemed protruded. Abu Bakr
happened to come and rescued him, saying, “You seek to kill
him, because he says, God is his Master ?” On another
occasion he lay prostrate in prayer and they laid the entrails
of a camel on his back. He could not rise until the weight was
removed. On yet another occasion he was passing through a
street and a group of street boys followed him. They went on
slapping his neck and telling the people that he called himself
a Prophet. Such was the hatred and enmity against him, and
such was his helplessness.
39. The Prophet’s house was stoned from surrounding houses.
Garbage and the remains of slaughtered animals were thrown
into his kitchen. On many occasions dust was thrown on him
while he was praying so that he had to retire to a safe spot for
his public prayers."
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Mohammed’s life was peaceful in the Mecca period because he had no influence or power. Once he gained forces and power in the second phase, the Medina period, he became violent, murderous and theiving. The peaceful suras you pointed out from the Mecca period have been abrogated by the violent suras of the later Medina period. This is something Muslims tend to hide when speaking about Islam means “peace”.

islamreview.com/articles/quransdoctrine.shtml
 
Eden said:
Mohammed’s life was peaceful in the Mecca period because he had no influence or power. Once he gained forces and power in the second phase, the Medina period, he became violent, murderous and theiving. The peaceful suras you pointed out from the Mecca period have been abrogated by the violent suras of the later Medina period. This is something Muslims tend to hide when speaking about Islam means “peace”.
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Hi
My Catholic friend! I infer from your above post that:
  1. You agree that all converts in Mecca, converted to Islam out of their free will though they were persecuted, they houses destroyed/burnt sometimes, they were subject to a worst social boycott extending to years and they were forced to migrate to Abyssinia (Habsha) a neighboring Catholic Monarchy; even then they were chased by the Infidels of Mecca to bring back to Mecca.
  2. Before Muhammad migrated to Medina (he was among the last migrants), a large population of Medina got converted to Islam out of free will.
  3. There is not a single verse in Quran which got abrogated anytime, not to speak of a Surah/chapter.
This proves that Islam was never spread by violence but by the character of Muhammad and peaceful and reasonable arguments of Islam as mentioned in Quran.
Thanks
 
Eden said:
Mohammed’s life was peaceful in the Mecca period because he had no influence or power. Once he gained forces and power in the second phase, the Medina period, he became violent, murderous and theiving. The peaceful suras you pointed out from the Mecca period have been abrogated by the violent suras of the later Medina period. This is something Muslims tend to hide when speaking about Islam means “peace”.

islamreview.com/articles/quransdoctrine.shtml
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Thank you for the link. It is so hard for someone unfamiliar with the Qur’an to put everything together, it is so dis-jointed. Nothing is in chronological order. Meccan Ay-yats are mixed up with Medinan Ay-yats are mixed up with Meccan Ay-yats. It’s all a hodge-podge of mixed up Ay-yats, and so confusing. 🤷 :confused:
 
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