A peaceful man that Muhammad was

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We continue learning about Muhammad’s peaceful life in Mecca:
  1. About this time, another very important event took place.
    'Umar, who later became the Second Khalifa of Islam, was still
    one of the fiercest and the most feared enemies of Islam.
    He felt that no effective step had yet been taken against the new
    Movement and decided to put an end to the Prophet’s life.
    He took his sword and set out. A friend was puzzled to see
    him going and asked where he was going and with what intent.
    “To kill Muhammad,” said 'Umar.
    “But would you be safe from his tribe after this ? And do
    you really know how things are going ? Do you know that
    your sister and her husband have joined Islam ?”
  2. It came like a bolt from the blue and greatly upset 'Umar.
    He decided to go and have done with his sister and her husband
    first. As he reached their house he heard a recitation going on
    inside. The voice was that of Khabbab who was teaching
    them the Holy Book. 'Umar entered the house swiftly.
  3. Alarmed by the hurried steps, Khabbab had already hid him- self in some corner and Umar’s sister whose name was Fatima, she put away the leaves of the Quran and hid them.
    Confronting her and her husband, 'Umar said, “I hear you
    have renounced your own faith,” and, saying this, he raised his
    hand to strike her husband, who was incidentally his own
    cousin.Fatima threw herself between 'Umar and her husband
    so 'Umar’s hand fell on her face and struck her on the
    nose, from which blood flowed freely. The blow made her
    all the braver.
  4. She said, “Yes, we are Muslims now
    and shall remain so ; do what you may.” 'Umar was a brave
    man, though rough. His sister’s face, dyed red by his own
    hand, filled him with remorse. Soon he was a changed man.
    He asked to be shown those leaves of the Quran they were
    reading from.Fatima refused lest he should tear them up and
    throw them away. 'Umar promised not to do so. But, she said
    he was not clean. 'Umar offered to have a bath.
    Clean and cooled, he took the leaves of the Quran in his hand.
  5. They contained a portion of the Chapter Ta Ha, And he came
    upon the verses :
    “Verily I am Allah ; there is no God beside Me. So serve
    Me, and observe prayer for My remembrance. Surely the
    Hour is coming, and I am going to manifest it, that every soul
    may be recompensed for its endeavour” (20 : 15, 16).
  6. The firm assertion of God’s existence, the clear promise that
    Islam would soon establish genuine worship in place of the
    customary one current in Mecca-these and a host of other
    associated ideas must have moved 'Umar. He could contain
    himself no longer. Faith welled up in his heart and he said,
    “How wonderful, how inspiring !” Khabbab came out of his
    hiding, and said, “God is my witness, only yesterday I heard the
    Prophet pray for the conversion of 'Umar or 'Amr ibn Hisham.
    Your change is the result of that prayer.”
  7. 'Umar’s mind was made up. H e asked where the Prophet was and made straight
    for him at Arqam, his bare sword still in his hand. As he
    knocked at the door, the Prophet’s Companions could see
    'Umar through the crevices. They feared lest he should have
    some evil design. But the Prophet said, “Let him come in.”
    'Umar entered, sword in hand. “What brings you ?” inquired
    the Prophet. “Prophet of God,”. said 'Umar, “I am here to
    become a Muslim.” Allahu Akbar, God is great, cried the Prophet.
    .Allahu Akbar, God is great, cried the Companions.
  8. The hills around Mecca
    echoed the cries. News of the conversion spread like wild
    fire and henceforward 'Umar, the much-feared persecutor of
    Islam, himself began to be persecuted along with other Muslims.
    But 'Umar had changed. He delighted now in suffering as he
    had delighted before in inflicting suffering. He went about
    Mecca, a much harassed person." Unquote
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Hi

We continue learning about Muhammad’s peaceful life in Mecca:
  1. PERSECUTION INTENSIFIES
    Persecution became more and more serious and more un-bearable. Many Muslims had already left Mecca. Those
    who stayed behind had to suffer more than ever before. But
    Muslims swerved not a bit from the path they had chosen.
    Their hearts were as stout as ever, their faith as steadfast.
    Their devotion to the One God was on the increase and so was
    their hatred for the national idols of Mecca. The conflict had
    become more serious than ever.
  2. The Meccans convened another big meeting. At this they resolved on an all-out boy-
    cott of the Muslims. The Meccans were to have no normal
    dealings with Muslims. They were neither to buy from
    them, nor to sell them anything. The Prophet, his family
    and a number of relations who, though not Muslims, still
    stood by him, were compelled to take shelter in a lonely place,
    a possession of Abu Talib. Without money, without means
    and without reserves, the Prophet’s family and relations suffered
    untold hardships under this blockade.
  3. For three years there was no slackening of it. Then at last, five decent members of
    the enemy revolted against these conditions. They went to
    the blockaded family, offered to annul the boycott, and asked
    the family to come out. Abu Talib came out and reproved
    his people. The revolt of the five became known all over
    Mecca, but good feeling asserted itself again, and Meccans
    decided they must cancel the savage boycott.
    The boycott was over, but not its consequences. In a few days the Prophet’s
    faithful wife, Khadija, met her death, and a month later his
    uncle, Abu Talib.
  4. The Holy Prophet had now lost the companionship and
    support of Khadija, and he and the Muslims had lost the good
    offices of Abu Talib. Their passing away naturally also resul-
    ted in the loss of some general sympathy. Abu Lahab, another
    uncle of the Prophet, seemed ready at first to side with the
    Prophet. The shock of his brother’s death and regard for his
    dying wish were still fresh in his mind. But the Meccans soon
    succeeded in antagonizing him. They made use of the usual
    appeals.
  5. The Prophet taught that disbelief in the Oneness of
    God was an offence, punishable in the Hereafter ; his teaching
    contradicted everything they had learnt from their forefathers,
    and so on. Abu L ahab decided to oppose the Prophet more
    than ever. Relations between Muslims and Meccans had
    become strained. A three-year boycott and blockade had
    enlarged the gulf between them. Meeting and preaching
    seemed impossible.
  6. The Prophet did not mind the ill-treat-
    ment and the persecution ; these were nothing so long as he had
    the chance to meet and address people. But now it seemed that
    he had no such chance in Mecca. General antagonism apart,
    the Prophet now found it impossible to appear in any street or
    public place. If he did, they threw dust at him and sent him
    back to his house. Once he returned home, his head covered
    with dust. A daughter wept as she removed the dust.
  7. The Prophet told her not to weep for God was with him. Ill-treatment did not upset the Prophet. He even welcomed it
    as evidence of interest in his Message. One day, for instance,
    the Meccans by a general intrigue said nothing to him nor did
    they ill-treat him in any way. The Prophet retired home dis-
    appointed, until the reassuring voice of God made him go to his
    people again.
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I think you are too. But one who loves to spam the threads.
Hi

Just to understand views of my Catholics/Orthodox friends, which have to be extracted from them drop by drop for juice of truth if any with them. I think you won’t mind that. I love you people.

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Hi

Just to understand views of my Catholics/Orthodox friends, which have to be extracted from them drop by drop for juice of truth if any with them. I think you won’t mind that. I love you people.

Thanks
If you think that love manifests itself in such a way that you won’t answer questions, then so be it :rolleyes:
 
Is it on this thread the way love manifested itself for Muhammad and that nine year old girl?
Moslems *do *have strange ideas.
If you’re a 12 year old girl, you’re deemed a woman, who, if she’s silent then she’s deemed to have consented (to her marriage)

and…

If you’re forced to submit, you’re at peace - which is what Islam strives for - submission.

And of course paarsurrey who’s here to discuss, but not debate - and this doesn’t in general involve answering further questions.

For him discussion, as with other Moslems I’ve seen, comprises of lengthy off-topic spamming that they seem to expect others to just suddenly realise is true.
 
Moslems *do *have strange ideas.
If you’re a 12 year old girl, you’re deemed a woman, who, if she’s silent then she’s deemed to have consented (to her marriage)

and…

If you’re forced to submit, you’re at peace - which is what Islam strives for - submission.

And of course paarsurrey who’s here to discuss, but not debate - and this doesn’t in general involve answering further questions.

For him discussion, as with other Moslems I’ve seen, comprises of lengthy off-topic spamming that they seem to expect others to just suddenly realise is true.
Yep, it must be cultural the hit and run approach. Why the moderators allow that–like the spam on Christ with his sword as if to slice and dice family members–is quite beyond me, and I’ve complained, in vain.

God bless.
 
Yep, it must be cultural the hit and run approach. Why the moderators allow that–like the spam on Christ with his sword as if to slice and dice family members–is quite beyond me, and I’ve complained, in vain.

God bless.
Fear not, my friends, for paarsurrey will soon succumb to the truth of Jesus DYING on the cross for us.
He can only continue to spam and avoid answering questions for so long.
Noone can dodge the truth forever now can they?
I think by spamming, he is trying to convince himself that he is trying to tell the truth, but he will soon see the lies and deceit and witness the truth, that Jesus died on the cross.
 
Fear not, my friends, for paarsurrey will soon succumb to the truth of Jesus DYING on the cross for us.
He can only continue to spam and avoid answering questions for so long.
No one can dodge the truth forever now can they?
I think by spamming, he is trying to convince himself that he is trying to tell the truth, but he will soon see the lies and deceit and witness the truth, that Jesus died on the cross.
I have my doubts, If he Submits to Jesus, then he is an apostate from Islam, which means DEATH to him. He is too much of a coward to be a martyr for our Lord. On to Medina.😃
 
Fear not, my friends, for paarsurrey will soon succumb to the truth of Jesus DYING on the cross for us.
He can only continue to spam and avoid answering questions for so long.
Noone can dodge the truth forever now can they?
I think by spamming, he is trying to convince himself that he is trying to tell the truth, but he will soon see the lies and deceit and witness the truth, that Jesus died on the cross.
Don’t worry paarsurrey will eventually go away like so many other rampant spammers have over the years.
 
Please don’t misread what I’m saying, but in the OP’s signature it says that she’s an Ahmadi, which she claims is a peaceful sect of Islam. Does that mean the other sects aren’t peaceful? Inquiring minds would like to know.

In Pax Christi
Andrew
 
Fear not, my friends, for paarsurrey will soon succumb to the truth of Jesus DYING on the cross for us.
He can only continue to spam and avoid answering questions for so long.
Noone can dodge the truth forever now can they?
I think by spamming, he is trying to convince himself that he is trying to tell the truth, but he will soon see the lies and deceit and witness the truth, that Jesus died on the cross.
paarsurrey’s peacefully persistant spamming shall succumb!
 
Please don’t misread what I’m saying, but in the OP’s signature it says that she’s an Ahmadi, which she claims is a peaceful sect of Islam. Does that mean the other sects aren’t peaceful? Inquiring minds would like to know.
In Pax Christi
Andrew
Hi

I would like and love anyone who is peaceful.

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It must be an universal truth that if we ignore all the evil that men do, they are saints.

If we ignore all the evil Hitler did before his rise to power, he was as good a man as anyone. After all, he loved dogs and was a reasonable painter. He also loved his mother, Clara. He carried a photo of her everywhere he went. What a loving son he was.
 
It must be an universal truth that if we ignore all the evil that men do, they are saints.

If we ignore all the evil Hitler did before his rise to power, he was as good a man as anyone. After all, he loved dogs and was a reasonable painter. He also loved his mother, Clara. He carried a photo of her everywhere he went. What a loving son he was.
Hitler was also a vegetarian, He kept the fasts of the Church, he never smoked tobacco, or drank alcohol, he must have been a very righteous person…:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
 
Hitler was a peaceful man for something like 35 years (prior to 1923 at least) and for considerable periods of time afterwards. Does that excuse the horror he perpetrated during those years when he WAS violent?
No.

Hitler was in WWI as a young guard being nutured by the regime,
preparing for his destiny, if no intervention, and there was none.

So much for being nurtured, by his mother who was probably waving the flag.

I’ll bet paarsurrey had a good, loving mother my guess 🙂
Dessert
 
Hitler was also a vegetarian, He kept the fasts of the Church, he never smoked tobacco, or drank alcohol, he must have been a very righteous person…
Cool! That’s a great summary of the arguments for Muhammed well made!

If we ignore the massacres he undertook, he was very peaceful:)
 
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