A peaceful man that Muhammad was

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YOU ARE A LOST SINNER ON YOUR WAY TO HELL UNLESS YOU BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR LORD AND GOD. YOU MUST BE BAPTIZED AND CHRISMATED. REPENT SINNER.
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This is not the way to evangelize :mad: :eek:

And it’s not known for a fact for us here on earth who goes to heaven or hell, that is for Christ to decide.
 
Hi

We continue learning about Muhammad’s peaceful life in Mecca:
  1. From the Jews, the Aus and the Khazraj had heard of prophecies in the Bible.
    They had heard Jewish tales of the lost glory of Israel and of
    the advent of a Prophet “like unto Moses.” This advent was near at hand, the Jews used to say. It was to mark the return
    to power of Israel and the destruction of their enemies. When
    the people of Medina heard of the Prophet, they became im-
    pressed and began to ask if this Meccan Prophet was not the
    Prophet they had heard of from the Jews. Many young men
    readily believed. At the next Hajj twelve men from Medina
    came to Mecca to join the Prophet. Ten of these belonged to
    the Khazraj and two to the Aus tribe. They met the Prophet
    in the valley of Mina and, holding the Prophet’s hand, solemnly
    declared their belief in the Oneness of God and their resolve
    to abstain from all common evils, from infanticide, and from
    making false accusations against one another. They also
    resolved to obey the Prophet in all good things.
  2. When they returned to Medina, they started telling others of their New
    Faith. Zeal increased. Idols were taken out of their niches
    and thrown on the streets. Those who used to bow before
    images began to hold their heads high. They resolved to bow
    to none except the One God. The Jews wondered. Centuries
    of friendship, exposition and debate had failed to produce the
    change which this Meccan Teacher had produced in a few days.
    The people of Medina would go to the few Muslims in their
    midst and make inquiries about Islam. But the few Muslims
    could not cope with the large numbers of inquiries, nor did
    they know enough.
  3. They decided, therefore, to address a
    request to the Prophet to send them some one to teach Islam.
    The Prophet agreed to send Mus’ab, one of the Muslims who
    had been in Abyssinia. Mus’ab was the first missionary of
    Islam to go out of Mecca. At about this time, the Prophet
    had a grand promise from God. He had a vision in which he
    saw that he was in Jerusalem and Prophets had joined behind
    him in congregational worship. Jerusalem only meant Medina,
    which was going to become the centre of the worship of the
    One God. Other Prophets congregating behind the Prophet
    of Islam meant that men following different Prophets would
    join Islam, and Islam would thus become a universal religion.
  4. Conditions in Mecca had now become most critical. Perse-
    cution had assumed the worst possible form. Meccans laughed
    at this vision and described it as wishful thinking. They did
    not know that the foundations of the New Jerusalem had been
    laid. Nations of the East and the West were agog. They
    wanted to hear the Last Great Message of God. In those
    very days the Kaiser and the Chosroes of Iran went to war with
    each other. Chosroes was victorious. Syria and Palestine
    were overrun by Iranian armies. Jerusalem was destroyed.
    Egypt and Asia Minor were mastered. At the mouth of the
    Bosphorus, only ten miles from Constantinople, Iranian generals
    were able to pitch their tents.
  5. Meccans rejoiced over Iranian
    victories and said the judgement of God had been delivered –
    the idol-worshippers of Iran had defeated a People of the Book.
    At that time, the Holy Prophet received the following revela-
    tion :
    The Romans have been defeated in the land nearby, and they,
    after their defeat, will be victorious in a few years–Allah’s is
    the command before and after that-and on that day will the
    believers rejoice with the help of Allah. He helps whom He
    pleases ; and He is the Mighty, the Merciful. Allah has made
    this promise. Allah breaks not His promise, but most men
    know not (30 : 3-7).
  6. The prophecy was fulfilled in a few years. The Romans
    defeated the Iranians and recovered the territories they had
    lost to them. The part of the prophecy which said, “On that
    day the believers shall rejoice with the help of God”, was also
    fulfilled. Islam began to advance. The Meccans believed
    they had put an end to it by persuading people not to listen to
    Muslims but to show active hostility instead. Right at this
    time the Prophet received in his revelations news of victories
    for Muslims, and destruction for Meccans.
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Thanks
 
obadiah said:
I know, he never gives up. I’ve tried to disembark his vessel.
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Note he says “We will continue learning…”

The way he goes about ‘teaching’ involves he gives us ‘the truth’ and we just accept it, or we’re all just plain ignorant.

And as for asking him questions! Oh!:eek: That’s just ‘debate’.

I think he’d be happier on a blog site
 
paarsurrey said:
Hi

We continue learning about Muhammad’s peaceful life in Mecca:
  1. From the Jews, the Aus and the Khazraj had heard of prophecies in the Bible.
    They had heard Jewish tales of the lost glory of Israel and of
    the advent of a Prophet “like unto Moses.” This advent was near at hand, the Jews used to say. It was to mark the return
    to power of Israel and the destruction of their enemies. When
    the people of Medina heard of the Prophet, they became im-
    pressed and began to ask if this Meccan Prophet was not the
    Prophet they had heard of from the Jews. Many young men
    readily believed. At the next Hajj twelve men from Medina
    came to Mecca to join the Prophet. Ten of these belonged to
    the Khazraj and two to the Aus tribe. They met the Prophet
    in the valley of Mina and, holding the Prophet’s hand, solemnly
    declared their belief in the Oneness of God and their resolve
    to abstain from all common evils, from infanticide, and from
    making false accusations against one another. They also
    resolved to obey the Prophet in all good things.
  2. When they returned to Medina, they started telling others of their New
    Faith. Zeal increased. Idols were taken out of their niches
    and thrown on the streets. Those who used to bow before
    images began to hold their heads high. They resolved to bow
    to none except the One God. The Jews wondered. Centuries
    of friendship, exposition and debate had failed to produce the
    change which this Meccan Teacher had produced in a few days.
    The people of Medina would go to the few Muslims in their
    midst and make inquiries about Islam. But the few Muslims
    could not cope with the large numbers of inquiries, nor did
    they know enough.
  3. They decided, therefore, to address a
    request to the Prophet to send them some one to teach Islam.
    The Prophet agreed to send Mus’ab, one of the Muslims who
    had been in Abyssinia. Mus’ab was the first missionary of
    Islam to go out of Mecca. At about this time, the Prophet
    had a grand promise from God. He had a vision in which he
    saw that he was in Jerusalem and Prophets had joined behind
    him in congregational worship. Jerusalem only meant Medina,
    which was going to become the centre of the worship of the
    One God. Other Prophets congregating behind the Prophet
    of Islam meant that men following different Prophets would
    join Islam, and Islam would thus become a universal religion.
  4. Conditions in Mecca had now become most critical. Perse-
    cution had assumed the worst possible form. Meccans laughed
    at this vision and described it as wishful thinking. They did
    not know that the foundations of the New Jerusalem had been
    laid. Nations of the East and the West were agog. They
    wanted to hear the Last Great Message of God. In those
    very days the Kaiser and the Chosroes of Iran went to war with
    each other. Chosroes was victorious. Syria and Palestine
    were overrun by Iranian armies. Jerusalem was destroyed.
    Egypt and Asia Minor were mastered. At the mouth of the
    Bosphorus, only ten miles from Constantinople, Iranian generals
    were able to pitch their tents.
  5. Meccans rejoiced over Iranian
    victories and said the judgement of God had been delivered –
    the idol-worshippers of Iran had defeated a People of the Book.
    At that time, the Holy Prophet received the following revela-
    tion :
    The Romans have been defeated in the land nearby, and they,
    after their defeat, will be victorious in a few years–Allah’s is
    the command before and after that-and on that day will the
    believers rejoice with the help of Allah. He helps whom He
    pleases ; and He is the Mighty, the Merciful. Allah has made
    this promise. Allah breaks not His promise, but most men
    know not (30 : 3-7).
  6. The prophecy was fulfilled in a few years. The Romans
    defeated the Iranians and recovered the territories they had
    lost to them. The part of the prophecy which said, “On that
    day the believers shall rejoice with the help of God”, was also
    fulfilled. Islam began to advance. The Meccans believed
    they had put an end to it by persuading people not to listen to
    Muslims but to show active hostility instead. Right at this
    time the Prophet received in his revelations news of victories
    for Muslims, and destruction for Meccans.
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Thanks
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May our Lord Jesus Christ Give you Peace dear brother.
 
BelFarfalla said:
  • Here aer a few of 167 or so Qur’anic verses depecting violence commanded by Muhammad after moving to Mehdina.*
*http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/

*Qur’an 8:39 *So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).”

*Qur’an 9:29 *“Fight those who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day and who forbid not what Allah and His messenger have forbidden-who do not practice the religion of truth, being of those who have been given the Book-until they pay the poll tax out hand and are humbled.”

*Qu’ran 2:216 *“Fighting is prescribed for you”

*Qu’ran 4:89 *“Slay them wherever you find them

Qu’ran 9:36“Fight the idolaters utterly (Remember that to Muslims, Christens who believe in the trinity are idolaters or pagans.)

*Qur’an 5:94 *“Believers, Allah will make a test for you in the form of a little game in which you reach out for your lances. Any who fails this test will have a grievous punishment.”

*Qur’an 8:7 *“Those who accepted Islam and left their homes to fight in Allah’s Cause with their possessions and persons, and those who gave (them) asylum, aid, and shelter, those who harbored them—these are allies of one another. You are not responsible for protecting those who embraced Islam but did not leave their homes [to fight] until they do so.” [Another translation reads:] “You are only called to protect Muslims who fight.”

*Qur’an 8:39 *“Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”

*Qur’an 8:65 *“O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding.”

*Qur’an 8:73 *“The unbelieving infidels are allies. Unless you (Muslims) aid each other (fighting as one united block to make Allah’s religion victorious), there will be confusion and mischief. Those who accepted Islam, left their homes to fight in Allah’s Cause (al-Jihad), as well as those who give them asylum, shelter, and aid—these are (all) Believers: for them is pardon and bountiful provision (in Paradise).”

Qur’an 9:5“Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”

*Qur’an 9:14 *“Fight them and Allah will punish them by your hands, lay them low, and cover them with shame. He will help you over them.”

*Qur’an 9:19 *“Do you make the giving of drink to pilgrims, or the maintenance of the Mosque, equal to those who fight in the Cause of Allah? They are not comparable in the sight of Allah. Those who believe, and left their homes, striving with might, fighting in Allah’s Cause with their goods and their lives, have the highest rank in the sight of Allah.”

Qur’an 9:38“Believers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to go forth and fight in Allah’s Cause you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? Unless you go forth, He will afflict and punish you with a painful doom, and put others in your place.”

Qur’an 9:88“The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah’s Cause.”

*Qur’an 9:112 *“The Believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed.”

*Qur’an 9:123 *“Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you.”

*Qur’an 48:16 *“Say (Muhammad) to the wandering desert Arabs who lagged behind: ‘You shall be invited to fight against a people given to war with mighty prowess. You shall fight them until they surrender and submit. If you obey, Allah will grant you a reward, but if you turn back, as you did before, He will punish you with a grievous torture.”

Qur’an 48:22“If the unbelieving infidels fight against you, they will retreat. (Such has been) the practice (approved) of Allah in the past: no change will you find in the ways of Allah
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Ok… just bring back mohd to live and judge him, let see how’s going… hheheheh

and can some one please tell me in the koran mohd say the word “kill” how many times::::???
 
jedi said:
Here aer a few of 167 or so Qur’anic verses depecting violence commanded by Muhammad after moving to Mehdina.
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Hi

I had shown my clear intention to submit before you a life sketch of Muhammad from his first 53 years, which are hardly mentioned by my Catholic/Orthodox friends, and which he he spent mostly in Mecca. I would proceed gradually. I welcome all the comments of my friends and I value them, but on close observation, you would observe and agree with me that the same belong to the last eight years of his life; Muhammad died at the age of 63.

I will respond when I finish the events of his first fifity five years. I am sorry, you shall have to wait till then with patience.
This also gives me some consolation, that my friends here approve of Muhammad and agree that he was a peaceful, caring, loving man who served humanity well all along these fity five years.
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In these fifty five years:
He killed none with his sword to convert to his religion.
He persecuted none for his religion.
He killed none for apostacy.
He killed none even otherwise.
His relations with Catholics/Orthodox were good.

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jedi said:
Here aer a few of 167 or so Qur’anic verses depecting violence commanded by Muhammad after moving to Mehdina.
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Hi

Meanwhile, you could please see the true context and meaning of all the 167 verses quoted above “commanded by Muhammad after moving to Medina” accessing Quran and its commentary from the following link.
alislam.org/

English w/ 5 Vol. Commentary

I think that also suits you, like me you also won’t like a contentious debate that only creates hatred and solves no issue, so I don’t do that. If you will look the verses from the Quran and the commentary mentioned by me above, you would know the correct meaning by yourself and the matter would resolve by your self-study.

Thanks
 
paarsurrey is challenged with evidence.

His reply is to simply restate his own position.

Have you not yet seen the truth?

How much Chrisitan resources go to this Islamic spammer to simply roll out his own propaganda?
 
Montalban said:
paarsurrey is challenged with evidence.

His reply is to simply restate his own position.

Have you not yet seen the truth?

How much Chrisitan resources go to this Islamic spammer to simply roll out his own propaganda?
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I for one never read his sanitized version of Muhammad’s life.
 
obadiah said:
I for one never read his sanitized version of Muhammad’s life.
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Even other Moslems admit Muhammed went into battle - they try to justify it by saying he was defending Islam.

paarsurrey’s so challenged by this he simply reverts to spam
 
Montalban said:
Even other Moslems admit Muhammed went into battle - they try to justify it by saying he was defending Islam.

paarsurrey’s so challenged by this he simply reverts to spam
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Is Paarsurrey Shia or Sunni? I can’t quite figure it out.
 
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