A priest confesses his greatest secret during Mass

[kaymart]

Liberalsaved:

This thread is horrible. You guys need to open your minds and hearts instead of reacting with intolerance at everything that doesn’t agree with you.

Where does it say we must be tolerant of sin??? My mind is not closed, neither are those of my fellow posters here. I love the person not the sin. For a Priest to stand up there in front of everyone from the very young children to the elderly and make this “Confession” is wrong. If he is suffering with SSA, he should have handled it in a different matter. He could have gone perhaps to his Bishop, confessed, and get help. What this Priest did is more or less self-promoting. He needs our Prayers, yes, but to “overlook or tolerate” his sin, no way.

 

[Ortho]

kaymart:

What in the world are you trying to say???:ehh:

1. The ban on seminarians is designed to satisfy conservative Catholics who blame the sex abuse by priests on homesexuality.
2. There are many gay priests who are currently serving in many different capacities.
3. These gay priests are currently ministering to the conservative Catholics referenced in #1.
4. The large number of gay priests will make it impossible to implement the ban on gay seminarians.

 

[Ortho]

“Tolerance is the virtue of a man with no convictions”- G.K. Chesterton

Secularism views tolerance as changing your personal views to embrace everything- moral relativism. I’m sorry- that’s just wrong.

Secularism also keeps us safe from the religious extremists.

 

[fix]

1. The ban on seminarians is designed to satisfy conservative Catholics who blame the sex abuse by priests on homesexuality.

The *ban *has been in place at least since 1961, it has been ignored. The new directive seems only to clarify the long standing policy.

 

[Ortho]

m134e5:

It would be wrong to remove faithful priests from ministry who aren’t doing anything wrong. There was bad catechesis in the late 60’s and the 70’s, and it isn’t perfect even today. It is very possible that a priest would never have heard of the Vatican’s warnings against homosexual priests.

OK. So why ban seminarians? Are the gay priests doing a poor job?

 

[Ortho]

pnewton:

Typical of today’s society. “Everything is tolerated except intolerance. The only thing that is judged is judgementalism. The only absolute is that there are no absolutes.” - Peter Kreeft.

The problem is not what we disagree with, but what doesn’t agree with God. His word is eternal and He hasn’t started making styrofoam millstones.

Perhaps the problem might also be some folks think they speak for God rather than themselves?

 

[Ortho]

fix:

The *ban *has been in place at least since 1961, it has been ignored. The new directive seems only to clarify the long standing policy.

Actions of an organization speak far louder than words. The Church had a document gathering dust in the archives. But their actions showed the document to be meaningless.

 

[fix]

Ortho:

Actions of an organization speak far louder than words. The Church had a document gathering dust in the archives. But their actions showed the document to be meaningless.

How is it meaningless? That the few, or many, chose to ignore it simply means some were ill informed or decided they would not obey.

 

[Ortho]

fix:

How is it meaningless? That the few, or many, chose to ignore it simply means some were ill informed or decided they would not obey.

It’s meaningless because it was ignored for years by the whole church, including the successors of the apostles, pope, priests, and laity.

 

[fix]

Ortho:

It’s meaningless because it was ignored for years by the whole church, including the successors of the apostles, pope, priests, and laity.

I do not know that the Popes ignored it. It may be that the extent of the problem was not fully grasped until recent years. In any event, that people disobey is nothing new in the world.

 

[legeorge]

Ortho, I, for one, am growing a bit weary of your baiting. Perhaps, if you want to debate the validity of the Catholic Church, you would best make your points in the *apologetics * forum instead of the *Catholic news * forum where people come to discuss catholic news with other catholics. Perhaps you will find the answers you are seeking there.

 

[felra]

Chris Jacobsen:

This is a quote from the article…“I’m one of you,” Father Rich Danyluk said.

My response is “No, you’re not”

And the alienation runs ever deeper.

“There is a division in the priesthood.” I expect most bishops and priests would agree with that, and can cite chapter and verse from their own experience. Those who write about a “lavender mafia” that dominates some seminaries, chancery offices, and church bureaucracies may sometimes overstate the matter. But it is no surprise that like attracts like. Generally speaking, men who are attracted to men are attracted to men who are attracted to men. Sociologists call it elective affinity.

Father Bruce Williams, O.P., and Bishop D’Arcy both affirm the Church’s teaching on human sexuality and welcome the new instruction. Fr. Williams titles his essay, “Rome and Gays: A Nuanced Response.” Bishop D’Arcy says, in effect, that it is such nuance that got us into the present mess. While the Church must be loving and pastorally concerned in dealing with everyone, he says, when it comes to the priesthood, the word must go forth that the Church is looking for manly men.

firstthings.com/ftissues/ft0602/public.html

 

[seabird3579]

Ortho:

We observe the Vatican doing nothing about homosxual priests. We observe it banning homosexual seminarians. .

Do you also observe that the Church is not a democracy and it is not accountable to You? It will establish the policies that it deems necessary based on its own methods of discernment – whether or not that meets your approval. Your rebellion and “shake the fist” attitude toward Rome, has no place in the Catholic Church. We trust God to lead His Shepherd with wisdom and holiness.

There will always be troublemakers and malcontents. There were in Christ’s time and it continues today.

 

[Ortho]

fix:

I do not know that the Popes ignored it. It may be that the extent of the problem was not fully grasped until recent years. In any event, that people disobey is nothing new in the world.

Grasped by whom?

 

[Ortho]

legeorge:

Ortho, I, for one, am growing a bit weary of your baiting. Perhaps, if you want to debate the validity of the Catholic Church, you would best make your points in the *apologetics * forum instead of the *Catholic news * forum where people come to discuss catholic news with other catholics. Perhaps you will find the answers you are seeking there.

Interesting. I, for one, have grown weary of you. But I can handle that. .

 

[Ortho]

seabird3579:

Do you also observe that the Church is not a democracy and it is not accountable to You? It will establish the policies that it deems necessary based on its own methods of discernment – whether or not that meets your approval. Your rebellion and “shake the fist” attitude toward Rome, has no place in the Catholic Church. We trust God to lead His Shepherd with wisdom and holiness.

There will always be troublemakers and malcontents. There were in Christ’s time and it continues today.

I observe the Church is not a democracy. So what?

I observe the Church is not accountable to me. So what?

I still observe the Church is full of gay priests who are ministering to Catholics everyday. The lack of action from the Vatican implies those priests are doing a good job.

 

[felra]

Ortho:

I still observe the Church is full of gay priests who are ministering to Catholics everyday. The lack of action from the Vatican implies those priests are doing a good job.

Not very compassionate response to those “gay” priests of whom it is no fault of their own that they were allowed to be ordained against established Vatican guidelines.

 

[Ortho]

felra:

Not very compassionate response to those “gay” priests of whom it is no fault of their own that they were allowed to be ordained against established Vatican guidelines.

I agree that kicking them out would not be compassionate. But can we also presume they are doing a good job since they are left in place?

 

[pnewton]

Ortho:

I observe the Church is not a democracy. So what?

I observe the Church is not accountable to me. So what?

I still observe the Church is full of gay priests who are ministering to Catholics everyday. The lack of action from the Vatican implies those priests are doing a good job.

So what? The authority of the church is derived from the succession from Peter to the present is a pretty big “what”.

There are two more equally valid possibilities from the lack of action. One, that “the Vatican” doesn’t know they are gay. It is not like the pope has a list, you know. Two, their performaonce evaluations are still sitting on the popes desk unread. There is a reason, after all, that an organization a billion strong has to use the principle of locality.

There is no question about what the Holy Father or the Curia teaches. You can read it.

 

[Vicia]

“Tolerance is the virtue of a man with no convictions”- G.K. Chesterton

Secularism views tolerance as changing your personal views to embrace everything- moral relativism. I’m sorry- that’s just wrong.

Thank you so much, this is another point I wanted to make and did not have the words. I think I am going to change my signature.