From the Old Testament …
Of course he is. But do you think he is a real Jew?
Of course. Over time it makes one group turn into Christians, and the other remains Jewish.
Over the years of being a Jew on Christian boards, I’ve found that fixated people tend to get their just rewards.
I’m behind on reading this thread, so this may have been said.
This terminology falls apart when one considers that Judaism accepts converts, you cannot accept a convert into an ethnicity therefore one must separate and make distinctions between ethnic Jews and Judaism as a religion.
We are a ‘people’, not a ‘race’.
False. Erase the term “ethnicity” from your description of Judaism and replace it with “peoplehood” or more accurately “people of Israel”. “Ethnicity” is technically inaccurate, even though it is inherited. There are many “ethnicities” that make up the Jewish people. Askenazic Jews who are French, polish, Russian, German, etc by blood. Sephardic Jews who are Spanish, Portuguese, North African. Mizrahi Jews from Israel (pre-nation), Iran, etc. There are Jewish communities that have been in China, India, and Ethiopia since the early diasporas. Yes, judaism accepts converts, but it’s more akin to joining a nation than a faith. Technically, it’s being accepted into a certain covenant with God. Someone can go through the conversion process and become part of the People of Israel. And just like historical Judaism, if a woman converts to Judaism, her Jewish “ethnicity” will be inherited by her children, and and extend through the generations via the mothers line exactly the same as someone tracing their maternal lineage back to the Twelve Tribes. And yes, they are fully Jewish. This is where your terminology falls apart. If the converts children are not practicing, they are still “ethnic” Jews. Judaism IS inherited, absolutely.
I did not say you were a race, I said Jews are an ethnicity, are they not? If my terminology is insensitive I apologize, but I do realize that Jews are not a race and thought that the correct terminology was ethnicity.
Enter into a covenant with God = Religion, am I missing something here.
It might seem so, but regarding this matter it’s helpful to put Judaism in its Middle-Eastern cultural context.
Lol dude, you need to do some reading on this. Here are Five books I recommend:
So is it ok that a white Anglo European who converts to Judaism, to identify as an ethnic Jew?, this would almost seem (in my mind) insulting to an ethnic Jew, especially say a Holocaust survivor, but perhaps I am wrong, I have been before and surely will be again.
I have already stated above earlier in the thread that I have learned the answers to my initial question, if you read carefully through the comments of this thread you would have seen this, you come back on late in the game to open a whole new can of worms and are trying to say that one cannot recognize the religion of Judaism whilst separating the ethnicity of Jews, no need to insult me with your rude comments when I have openly admitted in this thread, that I am ignorant of all that fully encompasses Judaism, and am myself looking to learn.
You’re not the first person here to invent Judaisms to talk about.
I did read those posts. I read your explanations also, Which made it clear that you actually did not learn the answers to your initial question. I’m not trying to insult you, but your claims of “absurdity” are themselves, insulting to anyone who believes the Bible is Sacred Scripture. Try phrasing things differently next time. You have a tendency to state things as final, then go back and correct by saying it’s only your own personal opinion. Just take more care in your words in the beginning, and things will go a lot smoother. Also, it does get frustrating when someone appears to continually throw out the truth with the bath water, because they’d rather believe their own made-up reality. Food for thought.
If he wants to, sure! I’m not sure how it would be insulting to the “ethnic” Jew, given that a white Anglo European Jewish convert is also an “ethnic” Jew. The lines between ethnicity and religion are more blurry in Judaism and other ethno-religious groups. This is why I prefer to use the term “nation”, although I also use “ethnicity” when I know that the person I am speaking with understands what I mean when I say “ethnicity” in an ethno-religious context.
I’m not trying to invent Judaisms, sorry if it has come off that way.
That’s what I’m doing here.
I’m working off of a 3rd grade education here brother, I am self taught and trying to learn here and now, I have always had trouble correctly writing out my thoughts, opinions and understandings (probably due to my poor education) if you read throughout my comments in this thread and others throughout the form you will see that I have a hard time properly phrasing or wording things, I myself come from an ethnic group so I fully understand and relate to others that come from ethnic backgrounds, so I always attempt to be sensitive to others in this regard, yet I have not attempted to personally insult anyone here and I would appreciate the same courtesy, No need to insult those attempting to learn.
If you really wanted to understand some of the issues you raise, why do it here? Why not go to Judaism 101, or Aish, or My Jewish Learning for example and read about it?