A question for some non-catholic,,,The Catholic Church Baptizes infants.

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I will share with you one example; there are several more in the NT.

Matthew 2:
14 When he arose, he took the young Child and His mother by night and departed for Egypt,
15 and was there until the death of Herod, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying, “Out of Egypt I called My Son.”

What do you assume happened? Did Jesus and His family stay in Egypt after the death of Herod or did they not? NO cheating; don’t look ahead.​

Context is extremely important to understand.
Again until only concerns up to a point in time. Again you use the word ASSUME. You make an assumption. Your assumption might and most likely is right but not always. What happened to Jesus is told to you later. The until does not tell you what happens.
You can provide many until in the bible but all of them will be the same. They tell you what happens during a period of time not what happens after.
 
Dispite the fact that the bible tells us that baptism is the outward manifestation of the candidates profession of faith. Romans 6:1-12, Acts 8:12 & 36-38 The Catholic Church itself practiced full immersion baptism of adults up until about the 13th century. This is reflected in the churches architecture. Here’s a link to illustrate this fact. It’s interesting that the place of the oldest known christian baptistry is St. John Lateran which is the cathedral of the pope.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptistery

The earliest known baptistry is at Dura-Europos c. 235 ad It is not clear if this structure was Catholic or not, but it points to the fact that the rule in the early church was baptism of adults by full immersion.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dura-Europas
 
I remember all the names you called me especially a drunk
No one here ever called you “a drunk” Tweety. It is true that your spelling and sentence structure did leave the reader wondering if you were imbibing while writing. Trust me, you would not be the only one! 😃
 
No one here ever called you “a drunk” Tweety. It is true that your spelling and sentence structure did leave the reader wondering if you were imbibing while writing. Trust me, you would not be the only one! 😃
Well yes you did and you made fun of me and said I was imbibing. I remember it well. I even turned you in to the mods and they did nothing.
 
Dispite the fact that the bible tells us that baptism is the outward manifestation of the candidates profession of faith. Romans 6:1-12, Acts 8:12 & 36-38 The Catholic Church itself practiced full immersion baptism of adults up until about the 13th century. This is reflected in the churches architecture. Here’s a link to illustrate this fact. It’s interesting that the place of the oldest known christian baptistry is St. John Lateran which is the cathedral of the pope.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptistery

The earliest known baptistry is at Dura-Europos c. 235 ad It is not clear if this structure was Catholic or not, but it points to the fact that the rule in the early church was baptism of adults by full immersion.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dura-Europas
First of all - St. Paul uses the terms, “circumcision of the heart” and the “circumcision of Christ” (Romans 2:29, Col. 2:12-17) to refer to Baptism and to describe the reality of circumcision being a spiritually* inwardact, NOT merely an outward sign. The Old Testament type that WAS circumcision is NOW* baptism.**

As for full immersion only – you’re wrong.
The 1st century document, The Didache illustrated beautifully that pouring water over the head was also used by the Church to Baptize:

“And concerning baptism, in this manner baptize: when you have gone over these things, baptize in the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit, in running water.
If you do not have running water, baptize in other water. If you are not able to use cold water, use warm. And if you have neither,
*** pour water on the head three times******, in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.”***
 
Again, again, again, you cannot separate the Bible from the events of its people, the Church. So you have to go back and see what people did way back then.

The Bible is the history of the People of God, and although God is the author, He used people.

It is about God and people.
 
The reason your ‘quote’ is not ‘apples with apples’ is because of context — death. Nothing happened after death. Something can happen after the birth of Jesus.
I agree. A better way to say it would have been “she was childless until the day of her death”, then ask "would you conclude that she had a child the day she died?
 
My point, you must pick and choose to fit with your understandings as usual.
Actually, the opposite is true. The reason we understand these passages differently is because we have received the faith from the Apostles. We MUST interpret what is written in the light of the once for all deposit of faith. We are NOT free to pick and choose to suit ourselves.
 
I didn’t realize that we had met that magical close thread number.😦

Points

Jesus said baptizm was necessary for salvation. No where did He say that you had to repent first.

When speaking to adults, repentance was mentioned but nowhere do you see the Apostles saying that children were not to be baptizes until they were older
We have Scripture that tells us that baptism is the new circumcision.
We have Scripture that says it forgives sins and save us through the Cross of Jesus.
We have Jesus command to baptize all.
We have no one objecting to baptizing of babies. That objection is relatively recent. If it were against, Jesus will where is the objections?

To prevent children from being baptized is contrary to Jesus saying let them come unto me.

No one has provided evidence that children were NOT baptized. All evidence points the opposite way.

Has the site been down or is it just my computer?
 
No one here ever called you “a drunk” Tweety. It is true that your spelling and sentence structure did leave the reader wondering if you were imbibing while writing. Trust me, you would not be the only one! 😃
Why doesn’t she recall her uncharitable remarks for which she never repents. :confused::mad:
Oh yeah as far as spelling and structure everyone errs. I don’t have a spell check on this computer so mine is awful without it. I tend to ignore those errors in others unless they produce a funny result. I can tell you are joking but I bet she will not take it that way. 😛 I think it is wise just to put her on ignore. However it doesn’t work when it is quoted:o
 
I didn’t realize that we had met that magical close thread number.😦

Points

Jesus said baptizm was necessary for salvation. No where did He say that you had to repent first.

When speaking to adults, repentance was mentioned but nowhere do you see the Apostles saying that children were not to be baptizes until they were older
We have Scripture that tells us that baptism is the new circumcision.
We have Scripture that says it forgives sins and save us through the Cross of Jesus.
We have Jesus command to baptize all.
We have no one objecting to baptizing of babies. That objection is relatively recent. If it were against, Jesus will where is the objections?

To prevent children from being baptized is contrary to Jesus saying let them come unto me.

No one has provided evidence that children were NOT baptized. All evidence points the opposite way.

Has the site been down or is it just my computer?
 
Why doesn’t she recall her uncharitable remarks for which she never repents. :confused::mad:
Oh yeah as far as spelling and structure everyone errs. I don’t have a spell check on this computer so mine is awful without it. I tend to ignore those errors in others unless they produce a funny result. I can tell you are joking but I bet she will not take it that way. 😛 I think it is wise just to put her on ignore. However it doesn’t work when it is quoted:o
Thank you so much. You have always been so kind and charitable.:rolleyes:
 
Well yes you did and you made fun of me and said I was imbibing. I remember it well. I even turned you in to the mods and they did nothing.
It would be erronous to assume, just because you did not find out the details, that they did nothing. 😉

There is a difference between observing behavior that might reflect a state of inebriation,and calling someone “a drunk”.

the point of my post was a compliment, though. I was commending you for your honesty about how you are representing yourself. 👍
 
Why doesn’t she recall her uncharitable remarks for which she never repents. :confused::mad:
Oh yeah as far as spelling and structure everyone errs. I don’t have a spell check on this computer so mine is awful without it. I tend to ignore those errors in others unless they produce a funny result. I can tell you are joking but I bet she will not take it that way. 😛 I think it is wise just to put her on ignore. However it doesn’t work when it is quoted:o
Just because someone has a tendency to fall into the same sin repeatedly does not mean they dont’ repent. I think Tweety really does want to please her Lord Jesus, and is one of those people that lives each day with a repentant heart. If she did not repent of something, it is probably because she did not see that it was wrong. the solution for that is prayer and catechesis, so keep up the great work! 👍
 
Just because someone has a tendency to fall into the same sin repeatedly does not mean they dont’ repent. I think Tweety really does want to please her Lord Jesus, and is one of those people that lives each day with a repentant heart. If she did not repent of something, it is probably because she did not see that it was wrong. the solution for that is prayer and catechesis, so keep up the great work! 👍
You make a valid point. I realize that she does not see her acts of being uncharitable as wrong. It does not make it right just because she does not acknowledge it. It makes her seem however as being a hypocrite. I don’t see her remarks now unless someone quotes her which helps me not to answer her uncharitable remarks.
HELP
Can some one tell me if the site has been down. I have had periods of not being able to access it last night and today. I keep getting a mail service.
 
Just because someone has a tendency to fall into the same sin repeatedly does not mean they dont’ repent. I think Tweety really does want to please her Lord Jesus, and is one of those people that lives each day with a repentant heart. If she did not repent of something, it is probably because she did not see that it was wrong. the solution for that is prayer and catechesis, so keep up the great work! 👍
I always have a repentent heart and hopefully you do also
 
Oh my goodness! You guys are still at it in here? How many times have you had to repeat the truth to those who can’t seem to understand that infant baptism is as biblical as Christ Himself?

Well I suppose we can’t accuse you guys as non-perseverers (is that a word?) I had to give up after the 2nd or 3rd go round as my charitable thoughts were at stake by that point 😉

Ok, I must say that I have just imbibed in 1/2 a Coor’s Light and Clamato (remember canadian beer is stronger than that weak stuff you guys drink 😉 ) so I needed to come and inform you guys as I congratulate you for your perserverance! 👍
 
Oh my goodness! You guys are still at it in here? How many times have you had to repeat the truth to those who can’t seem to understand that infant baptism is as biblical as Christ Himself?

Well I suppose we can’t accuse you guys as non-perseverers (is that a word?) I had to give up after the 2nd or 3rd go round as my charitable thoughts were at stake by that point 😉

Ok, I must say that I have just imbibed in 1/2 a Coor’s Light and Clamato (remember canadian beer is stronger than that weak stuff you guys drink 😉 ) so I needed to come and inform you guys as I congratulate you for your perserverance! 👍
LOL…Clamato, really?
 
LOL…Clamato, really?
Confession: I have never liked beer.

Sometimes my husband likes a cold one after work if it’s been a warm day. But I like to join him once in a while and in order for me to even partake, he had to take away that icky bitter taste. He makes me what’s called a “Red Eye” which is also made with tomato juice but I have grown to like it with Clamato.

So I get half of a beer (hubster drinks the other half) and then he fills the rest of my glass with Clamato (HAS to be Mott’s brand). Now I look forward to warm days when hubster comes home 😛 . Actually, I can only have 1/2 a beer because I’m a cheap date and always have been (hubster claims that’s why he married me 😊 )
 
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