If I want to serve God as a priest and know I won’t be chosen if I say I want to be married, I may supress my God given sexual feelings and go onward. Then when, as Paul says, the burning is too great, then what? A poster ‘casterated’ the FL priest for going back on his vows. He should not have been ‘forced’ to make such a vow.
D again, before you try to change the subject of my post, what does this have to do with the thread topic? Particularly Protestants who think it is necessary to proselytize Catholics?
i will take myself to task dokimas. just one of my pet peeves. nothing personal…my apologies if you were offended. peace
You asked a rhetorical question that has no merit or answer. Its a dodge and a ploy to divert from the truth. No I am asking you to provide me with the documentation that the CC changed its beliefs because of a non-Catholic theology revealed that hidden truth until they came along and revealed it to the world.
Are you saying that the discipline of celibacy came from non-Catholic theology? are you saying that the perpetual virginity came from non-Catholic theology? are you saying that transubstantiation came from non-Catholic theology? I am at a loss with your logic, Just because they are discussed here does not mean the non-Catholic world defined them other that to misinterpret, slander, and misconstrued them.
And herein lies the problem!!! You stumble around in darkness with half truths, lies, falsehoods and blatant anti-Catholic bigotry. You refuse to see the truth and be corrected. I guess you are to be pietied that you should be so blinded. I can only hope that Christ opens your eyes, heart, and mind to His truth. Until then you are going to live a life in darkness. sad so very sad.
Again, you have closed yourself to Christ and His truths.
forced? no-one forced him to take this vow. he did this of his own free will. perhaps he should have thought of this before he made the vow? i live a celibate life, and im no priest. no-one forced me to live this way. i live it of my own free will. for various reasons. i love women. just not in that way. peace
Forbidding marriage to a priest is like saying a married man has been forbidden from adultery.forced? no-one forced him to take this vow. he did this of his own free will. perhaps he should have thought of this before he made the vow? i live a celibate life, and im no priest. no-one forced me to live this way. i live it of my own free will. for various reasons. i love women. just not in that way. peace
Not offended but disapointed. Thanks for the apology. God bless.i will take myself to task dokimas. just one of my pet peeves. nothing personal…my apologies if you were offended. peace
I opened up a separate thread on this topic, specifically stating it was split from this thread, in order not to ‘derail’. Please feel free to go address the subject there, all are welcome.
No it’s not.Forbidding marriage to a priest is like saying a married man has been forbidden from adultery.
A polygamist could argue that he’s exercising his God-given sexual urges to spread his seed to lots of women. But mean old Christians forbid him from indulging in a natural desire.
Now, the argument has been presented that adultery is forbidden in the Bible, but not celibacy. Not the point. One merely has to look at the argument and say, “But we’re not “forbidding” a married man from committing adultery.”
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God bless you to dokimas. but may i say, i am disapointed with the frivolity i am seeing in much of Christiandom today. including some Catholic parishes. peace
excellent points.Forbidding marriage to a priest is like saying a married man has been forbidden from adultery.
A polygamist could argue that he’s exercising his God-given sexual urges to spread his seed to lots of women. But mean old Christians forbid him from indulging in a natural desire.
Now, the argument has been presented that adultery is forbidden in the Bible, but not celibacy. Not the point. One merely has to look at the argument and say, “But we’re not “forbidding” a married man from committing adultery.”
not to mention, we have a thing in Catholocism called confession. if the priest were married, he would have to keep alot from his wife, and keep things bottled up from her. this would not be healthy in the least. celebacy is the best course. not to mention the freedom you have without a wife. my friends that are married, have to get permission for every little thing they do. not me. and no honey do list, when i get off work. lol! peace So then we can agree that having sexual relations with someone does not necessarily make them your spouse?
You are right that there is a double standard here at CAF. Catholics get away with saying all kinds of things that result in non-Catholics getting banned. Although it says we are all to be respectful of everyone and their beliefs, I have read some appalling insults against non-Catholics here.
Oh, I think I get the award for receiving the most appalling insult that did not result in a banning. And it was from a Protestant. :sad_yes:
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I do that for the lurkers reading the thread. It may be that it is not possible for the Truth to penetrate your heart right now, but there are some reading who are not yet ready to voice the same objections that you do. I think the objection deserves an answer, as many times as it is brought forward. There are some reading who will be able to benefit from the response.
No, Doki. It is not within the power of the Church to forbid marriage. Any man who has taken priestly vows is free to abandon them, and enter into a marriage. It happens all the time. I know several of them personally.
Then what is the benefit of resisting the Truth? Why cling to these anti-Catholic attitudes if it does not somehow serve to bolster your faith? If accepting what we believe does not compel you to become Catholic, I don’t understand why it is so important to cling to falsehoods?
I am sure that you don’t realize how much anti-Catholic “attitude” you actually have. I think you are sincerely in denial about it.
Indeed it is refreshing that you have retained many important elements of the One, Holy, CAtholic and Apostolic faith.
You are welcome in all areas of the forum, Doki. This forum is made for people like you, who dont’ understand and accept the Catholic faith.
Yes.
I seek out threads like this, so that I can read the (name removed by moderator)ut of my separated brethren. Having sojourned for many years among Protestant ecclesial communities, I realize that there are many who feel that it is their responsibility before God to evangelize Catholics, since they think we are living in darkness. Some believe we have been misled from the beginning,a nd are following a false gospel.
More than just my opinion, but the Teaching of the Apostles. It so happens that I have embraced their teaching, but my agreement with what they believed and taught is not my “opinion”. It is receiving what was revealed by God.
I think you have this discipline confused with a doctrine. There is nothing inherintly or theologically problematic about priests being married. This is the current practice of the Church, but it can be changed. Doctrines come from the Apostles,a nd cannot be changed. If a priest decides to abandon his vows and enter a marriage, then he has decided that he no longer wishes to serve as a priest. It is his decision. No one “disallows” him to make it.
I think this speaks volumes right here. When a person approaches a subject with preconceived notions, and refuses to allow any other ideas to enter, it severely limits what one is able to learn.
It seems clear that, unless others come into agreement with how you understand the bible, they are “wrong”.
I am certainly getting wild in my speculations about why you persist in making a daisy into a rose.
Right.
This is not an advisable approach in any case. Such persons inevitably experience a greater struggle with sin.
Some fall into sin, which is why “suppression” is a bad idea. During spiritual formation for the priesthood, the candidate receives instruction and direction about how to handle temptations of all kinds, including sexual.
No priest is "forced’ to make any such vow. They have complete clarity, and freely enter into it. Some of them later believe they made a mistake, and they leave. Some are faithless, and abandon their vows because they are unwilling to pick up their cross, and carry it.
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