A Renaissance of Chapel Veils

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ConstantLearner said:
Because Christ didn’t like people who are overly pious,
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Untrue.

Christ had no issue with piety.

He took issue with making a false show of piety and not letting the pious externals make your heart become more merciful and charitable.

Christ himself was a pious Jew. The Apostles and Mary were pious Jews.

Christ had no issue with true piety, and in fact he is the author of true piety.
 
Spyridon said:
Christ had no issue with piety.
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You are taking my post out of context and editing. I said overly pious, and yes, Christ does have a big issue with that, e.g., the Pharisees.
 
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Maybe some women at your church attend like that, but not at mine. Not in any of the photos. We dress as though we were going to a nice restaurant. In fact, our church has a dress code.
 
Christ had no issue with the piety of the Pharisees.

He took issue with their hypocrisy and using false piety as a pretext for worldly praise and advantage.

Matthew 23:1-2

"Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to his disciples, saying, “The scribes and the Pharisees have taken their seat on the chair of Moses. Therefore, do and observe all things whatsoever they tell you, but do not follow their example."

In other words, follow the pious customs which they teach you for they are good, but do not act hypocritically and not let those pious customs cooperate with the Grace of God leading you into charity and mercy.
 
None.

What problem do you think Jesus has with pajama bottoms?
 
Spyridon, maybe your wife “doesn’t feel called to veil.” Why do you have a problem with that since you do think some women are called and some are not. It is not your choice to make, it is your wife’s and it seems disrespectful to her that you want to argue with her about it. She doesn’t “feel called.”

You yourself, posted pics of someone and said the first woman looks more pious. Is that what it’s about? Looking more pious? Are you actually inferring that your wife is less pious because she doesn’t wear a veil and look more pious?

I don’t know where you live, but churches I attend are not “packed” with people dressed like the second pic you posted either.
 
I have no problem with it, nor did I even intend to imply I think my wife is less pious.

I said it’s a pious custom which is superior to the cultural custom of not covering the head, in the context of Church. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
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Mark121359 said:
But how can one possibly determine that? I can’t read what’s in another’s heart and mind…can you?
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Did I say that I can? No. Some have told me they simply like the lace mantillas.

By the same token, you can’t say a casually dressed woman is not more pious than one all swaddled in cloth. Piety comes from the heart. The imitation of Christ lies in our daily actions, not in covering our head in church.
 
You should not be forcing your wife to veil. She might be not be called to veil, lol. Yeah anyway, women are not required to veil. If she doesn’t want to, you should not be pressuring her. It could turn her off.

As for the pictures…if the skirt was longer, I think it’s Mass appropriate. I don’t think it’s charitable of you to say that about that woman.
 
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Irishmom2 said:
don’t know where you live, but churches I attend are not “packed” with people dressed like the second pic you posted either.
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I was being hyperbolic…

I live in New Hampshire, and many women here wear veils at the Cathedral, the Cathedral here is extremely pious and traditional.

But inevitably at every Mass, you see at least a handful of young women who dress in… Let’s just say, not very appropriate clothes.
 
Spyridon said:
I said it’s a pious custom which is superior to the cultural custom of not covering the head, in the context of Church. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Why is it superior? I’m not buying that. Superiority lies in “loving one another as [Christ] loved [us]” and NOT making a show of it.

There is nothing inherently superior, or inferior, about covering the head. It’s a personal choice. That’s it.
 
I never said, nor did I even intend to imply that I force my wife to veil.

I haven’t spoken to her about it in a long time - she knows where I stand on the issue and what I would prefer, but I am just grateful to have her come to Mass with me when she’s able to attend (she’s very sickly).
 
Don’t you think true charity lies in letting her worship as she feels in her heart? Especially if she’s ill. Poor woman. I feel for her. If anyone asked me “to veil” I’d tell him to do so himself if he’s so attracted to it. I am not.

I don’t mean to be a jerk or judge you. I’m just speaking in general terms and how I feel. Like Lea, I hope your wife feels better soon.
 
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I guess the attraction to it is because it’s aesthetically pleasing? I find it beautiful when I see pictures of Christian women in different cultures with their headcoverings but I wouldn’t want it to be mandatory at all. I don’t understand it enough to get the purpose behind women veiling. It just seems like a byproduct of the Jewish culture that doesn’t really hold a deep theological meaning. I’m also not personally drawn to it and I think a veil with jeans will be an eyesore 😂
 
Lea101 said:
As for the pictures…if the skirt was longer, I think it’s Mass appropriate. I don’t think it’s charitable of you to say that about that woman.
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I agree with you. And I see no women in church in skirts that short.
 
ConstantLearner said:
If anyone asked me “to veil” I’d tell him to do so himself if he’s so attracted to it. I am not.
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If you’d read my post then you’d know that if I was a woman, I would cover my head. I’m a man, therefore I’m supposed to have an uncovered head.

Would you be okay with me wearing a baseball cap in Church, or a chapel veil on my head, as a man?

1 Corinthians 11:3-6

“But I want you to know that Christ is the head of every man, and a husband the head of his wife, and God the head of Christ. Any man who prays or prophesies with his head covered brings shame upon his head. But any woman who prays or prophesies with her head unveiled brings shame upon her head, for it is one and the same thing as if she had had her head shaved. For if a woman does not have her head veiled, she may as well have her hair cut off. But if it is shameful for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should wear a veil.”

Do you despise the words of the Apostle? Are you one of the people who dismisses the Blessed Apostle Paul as a “sexist?”
 
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I see some here but they are usually new or not religious enough. Idk, maybe I’m a little soft but I am a little happy because it seems as if they’re taking little steps to God.

But I would also bring up that using two ends of the extremes isn’t really fair. You can be modest enough for Mass without headcoverings. It doesn’t have to be one or the other.
 
Lea101 said:
headcoverings but I wouldn’t want it to be mandatory at all
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I wouldn’t want it to be mandatory either.

But it is a pious tradition which ought to be commended, and it would be a delight to see women in the Church veiling en masse.
 
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