A Renaissance of Chapel Veils

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Spyridon said:
Do you despise the words of the Apostle?
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Of course not. But the Bible MUST be read in context. If I learned anything after six years as a theology major it’s that. St. Paul’s words must be read in the context of the first century.

Should we still stone people? Some countries do. Do you approve of that practice?
 
Spyridon said:
But it is a pious tradition which ought to be commended, and it would be a delight to see women in the Church veiling en masse.
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For you, it would be a delight. For others, it would be a horror.

I accept it as a personal choice, but not as a calling.
 
I think 2 Peter 3:16 sums it up for me. I would love to ask him about all of the controversial things he says because I still don’t understand. But I don’t really want to die first

If that passage were to be taken literally, the Church would still insist on headcoverings.

I wouldn’t think much if you were to wear a cap. If you were to wear a veil though… 😶
 
Lea101 said:
But I would also bring up that using two ends of the extremes isn’t really fair. You can be modest enough for Mass without headcoverings. It doesn’t have to be one or the other.
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Yes, that’s what I was agreeing with you about.
 
If I put myself in the shoes of an outsider or a man, then I would probably agree with you.

But as a woman…yikes. I would not like it at all, if I’m going to be honest. For both shallow and not so shallow reasons
 
ConstantLearner said:
Should we still stone people? Some countries do. Do you approve of that practice?
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Non sequitur.

I neither said nor even intended to imply anything of the sort.

For someone pontificating publicly about reading things in context, you sure took my words way out of context to try and paint me as supporting such a notion.

Also, that comment shows me you don’t understand the way in which the New Covenant supplemented the Old.
 
Spyridon said:
Also, that comment shows me you don’t understand the way in which the New Covenant supplemented the Old.
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Stop judging me. You don’t know me, and aren’t supposed to judge even if you did. Yes, of course I do.

There’s nothing wrong with a woman or a man covering their head with an appropriate covering at mass. There is something wrong with liking it for the way it looks. That shouldn’t matter. True piety flows from the heart, not the head covering. I don’t care who covers their head at mass, but at the same time, I don’t care if no one does. I don’t judge either one. What I care about is not how things look, but about whether the people at mass are following Christ’s commandment. If you are not willing to take a homeless person into your house and make him or her part of your family, you are not following Christ, and all the head coverings in the world won’t do you any good.
 
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ConstantLearner said:
Stop judging me. You don’t know me, and aren’t supposed to judge even if you did. Yes, of course I do.

There’s nothing wrong with a woman or a man covering their head with an appropriate covering at mass. There is something wrong with liking it for the way it looks. That shouldn’t matter. True piety flows from the heart, not the head covering. I don’t care who covers their head at mass, but at the same time, I don’t care if no one does. I don’t judge either one. What I care about is not how things look, but about whether the people at mass are following Christ’s commandment. If you are not willing to take a homeless person into your house and make him or her part of your family, you are not following Christ, and all the head coverings in the world won’t do you any good.
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I neither judged you, nor did I even intend to imply I was sitting in judgment on you. I apologize if you felt I was judging you - it’s just that comment you made was patently absurd.

And I agree wholeheartedly with everything in your second paragraph. Amen and amen.
 
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It’s a non sequitur because it doesn’t follow.

Because I support the New Covenant practice of women covering their heads in no way whatsoever means that I want to revive the ancient Old Covenant Israelite practice of stoning people.

It’s an utterly absurd connection to make.
 
Spyridon said:
The Church, the Fathers, and Scripture, as well as history, are all unanimous.
Veiling is a pious and recommended practice.
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Indeed. Along with many other culturally determined customs such as men being in charge of the family, and such pious women being subservient to them.

The veil is primarily a symbol of the husband’s authority over the woman and children in his household. It is also meant to hide her beauty from other men. So it is not meant to be an ineffective, coquettish adornment as here:

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But rather a solid cloth hiding the hair from view as in early Christian art, icons of Mary and nun’s veil’s still today:



As St Hippolytus stated:
"And let all the women have their heads covered with an opaque cloth . . .”
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A fetching bikini sized piece of see through lace that looks like it shrank in the wash, perhaps not so much.

Lets be consistent in our “callings” from God to return to ancient Middle Eastern customs.
 
Well I agree wholeheartedly with everything you wrote there @BlackFriar.

I’d prefer the Eastern style covering over the Western lace chapel veil.

Which is why I said if I was a woman, this is how I would look at Mass: (Please Note: This uploaded content is no longer available.)
 
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BlackFriar said:
Indeed. Along with many other culturally determined customs such as men being in charge of the family, and such pious women being subservient to them.
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@BlackFriar wrote the above. @Spyridon, do you agree with women being subservient to men? Do you think women need to hide their attractiveness?
 
I, too have criticized others for things that I didn’t approve of. Then I realized that I should focus on my behavior and try to improve. That is what I meant. You do have a right to your own opinion though.
 
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Spyridon said:
I’d prefer the Eastern style covering over the Western lace chapel veil.
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You have said you studied at the Russian Orthodox Church or attend there or something similar. It is more the custom in that Church than among Roman Catholics. But no one should do it for how it looks.
 
ConstantLearner said:
It is more the custom in that Church than among Roman Catholics. But no one should do it for how it looks.
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I agree fully nobody should do it as a fashion statement. They should do it out of respect and reverence and love for God.

And I would say it’s certainly a Roman Catholic custom (covering the head that is, not Eastern style scars vs. western lace veils) - it was mandated in Canon Law until 1983 and is still widely observed by significant populations in the Church.
 
ConstantLearner said:
you agree with women being subservient to men? Do you think women need to hide their attractive
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I believe husbands and wives should be subordinate to each other.

I believe wives should be subordinate to their husbands as to the Lord, for the husband is head of his wife and Christ is head of the Church.

I believe husbands should love their wives as their own body, even as Christ loved the Church.

I believe women should be chaste and modest at all times, but especially at Church.
 
Oh, ok. Thanks for the reply. … I guess what I said was a criticism and an expression of an opinion.

Dan
 
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