A Scriptural Critique of Infant Baptism by John MacArthur

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I was lucky enough to be raised in a Baptist community that did not spend its time degrading other denominations, so I was actually offended when I heard some Catholics begin telling horrible stories of how they converted even after hearing from their Baptist leaders how aweful and sinful the Catholic Church is. I passed it off as something I would never have to experience, but then I found this entire sermon by a popular Baptist preacher, and it blew me away! I’m still learning Catholicism, but this really made me raise an eyebrow. Read the whole sermon here.
Emphasis on the following quotes are mine:

“Let me explain for some of you who might not understand. There is a widespread belief in the Church that babies are to be baptized.…They are taken to the church and they are sprinkled with water on the head—a little bit of water is dripped on their head and that constitutes their “Christian” baptism. This is very widespread. This is all over the world, in fact. **This is the influence of the post-reformation European church **and it has spread wherever that influence has gone.”

"Now, there are only two ordinances the Lord gave us—just two. He gave us baptism and the Lord’s Table. And He said,** “Just do these two things. They are symbols.”** "

"Now, I would expect Roman Catholicism to engage in that practice because Roman Catholicism has two sources of authority. On the one hand, they have the Bible; on the other hand—and it’s as empty as my right hand—they have tradition. You see where the weight is. But, in the Catholic system, there is what is called “tradition.” It is known as “tradition” or the “magisterium.” It is the accumulation of materials outside the Bible that bear equal authority with the Scripture."

"In fact, the Roman Catholic Church asserts, that it is, the only recipient of revelation beyond the Bible…not only is it the only recipient of revelation, but it is the only and infallible interpreter of all revelation, both traditional and Biblical. So, when we know that Roman Catholics baptize babies, that fits into their magisterium, but when you come to Reformation people who say, “Scripture, only Scripture, only…” and **they had a Reformation and they basically dumped tradition and they dumped the magisterium **and they said, “It’s the Bible! It’s the Bible! It’s the Bible!” how come they hung onto infant baptism? It’s not there. It’s a relic of Popery. "

"If you don’t know what the Bible means, you don’t go to somebody who has infallible revelation as to it’s meaning; you dig into the text to discern it. God does not interpret Scripture through history. God does not interpret Scripture through tradition, through rights or ceremonies or doctrines that are true simply because some religious system says they’re true. Only an honest interpretation of Scripture in which you exegete the text itself can yield the meaning of that Scripture. "

"Another thing the baby-baptizers use for support is they try to go to Matthew 18, where Jesus said in verse 3, “Except you become as a little child, you can’t enter the kingdom.” Well, that’s not talking about babies; that’s talking about believers. You have to become like a little child to get into the kingdom. What does that mean? Well, if you’re going to come into God’s kingdom, you don’t come with the record of all your great achievements. You haven’t got any—a little child has no achievements, right? A little child has accomplished nothing, done nothing. They are not productive; have you noticed? They don’t do anything. They just have to have things done to them all the time. They don’t achieve anything, accomplish anything…they don’t make any contribution at all except just the sheer joy of their presence…[ref "let the children come to me:]They weren’t, necessarily, the children of believing parents—we don’t even know who their parents were! "

((I added most of the full paragraphs and not just my hilights to show the quotes in context))
 
Your name - Being Brave - suits you well if you are a Baptist-Catholic. I know the RCC gets a lot of heat from our Baptist brethern. As a truck driver, I have been to a lot of Baptist services done by the chaplains at the various truck stops over the years. I usually don’t mention that I am a Catholic, I just go to hear the word of God and pray with my fellow believers.
 
Evidently that Baptist preacher never read anything by the Early Church Fathers, the first Christians, who lived long before the Reformation! 🙂

Here’s some good info:

catholic.com/library/Early_Teachings_of_Infant_Baptism.asp

🙂
Those you speak of wrote the NT. There is NO evidence infant baptism was practiced during the first century.

You’ll probably tell me of the 5 families that were baptized. You’d have to prove there were infants in those families. Not all families have infants at all times. Of the thousands of NT baptisms, only 5 families are mentioned; IMO, not good odds.
 
Those you speak of wrote the NT. There is NO evidence infant baptism was practiced during the first century.

You’ll probably tell me of the 5 families that were baptized. You’d have to prove there were infants in those families. Not all families have infants at all times. Of the thousands of NT baptisms, only 5 families are mentioned; IMO, not good odds.
Using the term “families” is meaningful in and of itself. If it had said, “adults in a family” that would be a different matter. The Word specifically specifically state “families.” Families include all ages. The directive is to baptize “families” at once. All involved. Easy to understand.
 
I am pretty sure that John MacArthur would not self identify as a Baptist.
An evangelical.
A dispensationalist.
Part of the Grace movement but not a Baptist.
😉
 
The problem with protestants is that they need to see the exact words to prove it to them. They don’t stand back and look at what the writer meant to convey in context. If they were in college reading a book, they would look what the writer would mean in context,but in reading the bible, it is a different standard.
Thus Peter declared, “Repent, and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is to you and to your children” (Acts 2:38–39).
The apostolic Church baptized whole “households” (Acts 16:33; 1 Cor. 1:16), a term encompassing children and infants as well as servants. While these texts do not specifically mention—nor exclude—infants, the very use of the term “households” indicates an understanding of the family as a unit. Even one believing parent in a household makes the children and even the unbelieving spouse “holy” (1 Cor. 7:14).
Baptism is the Christian equivalent of circumcision, or “the circumcision of Christ”: “In him you were also circumcised with . . . the circumcision of Christ, having been buried with him in baptism and raised with him through your faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead” (Col. 2:11–12). Thus, like circumcision, baptism can be given to children as well as adults. The difference is that circumcision was powerless to save (Gal. 5:6, 6:15), but “**aptism . . . now saves you” (1 Pet. 3:21). **
from: catholic.com/library/Early_Teachings_of_Infant_Baptism.asp
 
The problem with protestants is that they need to see the exact words to prove it to them. They don’t stand back and look at what the writer meant to convey in context. If they were in college reading a book, they would look what the writer would mean in context,but in reading the bible, it is a different standard.

from: catholic.com/library/Early_Teachings_of_Infant_Baptism.asp
You can’t lump all non-Catholic Christians into one protestant category- many do believe in infant baptism.

The strongest thought for infant baptism is infant circumcision by the Jewish nation. As circumcision was the seal/sign of the covenant- baptism is the seal of the covenant.
 
Using the term “families” is meaningful in and of itself. If it had said, “adults in a family” that would be a different matter. The Word specifically specifically state “families.” Families include all ages. The directive is to baptize “families” at once. All involved. Easy to understand.
I have a family. Could you tell me if I have any infants right now? My sister has a family. Presently, are there any infants in it?

My wife has 3 siblings with families. How many presently have infants?
 
I have a family. Could you tell me if I have any infants right now? My sister has a family. Presently, are there any infants in it?

My wife has 3 siblings with families. How many presently have infants?
Your response carries no weight. I have a family can you tell me I don’t have any infants.
 
I am pretty sure that John MacArthur would not self identify as a Baptist.
An evangelical.
A dispensationalist.
Part of the Grace movement but not a Baptist.
😉
"MacArthur calls himself a “leaky dispensationalist”–meaning he rejects any and all “dispensational” soteriological innovations, holding to classic Reformed (i.e., Protestant, not “covenantal”) soteriology.

…I read that the church of which he is a member is known as a “far right Baptist” denomination, it’s called Grace Community Church. To be honest they don’t identify with any denomination on their website, and actually explain their own “brand” of Christianity using only the words “grace” and “community”. The preacher himself is embraced most strongly in the Baptist community and transcripts of his radio broadcasted sermons are purchased and delivered by Baptist pastors nationwide. I came across this sermon while looking up information on the Baptist Catechism, and he’s mentioned multiple times as an example of preaching that follows that Catechism.

My personal experience with the Baptist church was great. My reasons for converting are mainly in the more complete worship RCC provides (obviously there’s more to it, but methods of worship as a Catholic seem more numerous and complete than I felt as a Baptist. I still have my fundamentalist opinions, so I don’t yet call myself a Catholic.)
 
I have a family. Could you tell me if I have any infants right now? My sister has a family. Presently, are there any infants in it?

My wife has 3 siblings with families. How many presently have infants?
Spoken from the true contraceptive mentality of today’s non-Catholic “Christian” where infants are part of the family for a brief, usually predetermined amout of time!
 
"Now, there are only two ordinances the Lord gave us—just two. He gave us baptism and the Lord’s Table. And He said,** “Just do these two things. They are symbols.”** "
"
no Jesus did not say this. he said unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit he shall not share in eternal life.“Amen Amen I say to you, no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and Spirit.” John 3: 5 No where in this entire chapter does Jesus say baptism is merely symbolic.

Jesus said, “Amen Amen I say to you, whoever believes ahs eternal life. I am the bread of life. Your ancestors ate the manna in the desert [the symbol] but they died; this is the bread that comes down from heaven so that one may eat it an not die. I am the living bread that cmae down from heaven; whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world” John 6:47-51
and further “Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. For my flesh is true food [not symbolic] and my blood is true drink [not symbolic].” John 6:53-55. Nowhere in this entire chapter does Jesus say he is refering to a symbolic act, in fact he goes to great pains to explain the concreteness of what he is saying and doing.

what gall for a preacher to presume to tell Jesus what he meant. That gall alone is enough to condemn what this man is teaching.
 
Your response carries no weight. I have a family can you tell me I don’t have any infants.
You seem to be missing my point. If you tell me there’s infants in your family, then I’ll believe you.

The point is that all specific baptisms in the NT are done around repentance. Infants can’t repent. It is logical that families that get baptized repented, therefore had no infants.
 
Spoken from the true contraceptive mentality of today’s non-Catholic “Christian” where infants are part of the family for a brief, usually predetermined amout of time!
Mark, what does contraceptives have to do with anything?
 
You seem to be missing my point. If you tell me there’s infants in your family, then I’ll believe you.

The point is that all specific baptisms in the NT are done around repentance. Infants can’t repent. It is logical that families that get baptized repented, therefore had no infants.
The problem is that you make no point. Let’s try this using the Socratic method and see if it helps:
  1. Does the term families include infants? Any reasonable person would conclude that the term families would include any person in the household or family, including infants.
  2. Did the writers of the NT use any exceptional language such as “all persons in the household except infants, or all persons in the household except children”? No they did not.
If the writers used the term “families/households” without exceptional verbiage, they would mean to include infants. It is also supported by the following passage:

Thus Peter declared, “Repent, and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is to you and to your children” (Acts 2:38–39).

Finally, historically, early church followers baptized infants up until the reformation. Are you so bold as to say what they did in Christ’s time and up to 1500 years later is wrong? And this is because you say so…or because somebody 1500 years later came to a different conclusion than what the church had practiced all along (at the command of Christ). They were there. They knew what was meant and they have preserved the tradition along with the Word so it wouldn’t be a problem for those that take the time to investigate and find the truth. If I were you, I’d truly look into who wrote the bible, how books were selected by the very Church you now question, and ask myself why I find it so difficult to open my eyes and see truth for what it is.
 
I was lucky enough to be raised in a Baptist community that did not spend its time degrading other denominations, so I was actually offended when I heard some Catholics begin telling horrible stories of how they converted even after hearing from their Baptist leaders how aweful and sinful the Catholic Church is. I passed it off as something I would never have to experience, but then I found this entire sermon by a popular Baptist preacher, and it blew me away! I’m still learning Catholicism, but this really made me raise an eyebrow. Read the whole sermon here.
Emphasis on the following quotes are mine:

“Let me explain for some of you who might not understand. There is a widespread belief in the Church that babies are to be baptized.…They are taken to the church and they are sprinkled with water on the head—a little bit of water is dripped on their head and that constitutes their “Christian” baptism. This is very widespread. This is all over the world, in fact. **This is the influence of the post-reformation European church **and it has spread wherever that influence has gone.”

"Now, there are only two ordinances the Lord gave us—just two. He gave us baptism and the Lord’s Table. And He said,** “Just do these two things. They are symbols.”** "

"Now, I would expect Roman Catholicism to engage in that practice because Roman Catholicism has two sources of authority. On the one hand, they have the Bible; on the other hand—and it’s as empty as my right hand—they have tradition. You see where the weight is. But, in the Catholic system, there is what is called “tradition.” It is known as “tradition” or the “magisterium.” It is the accumulation of materials outside the Bible that bear equal authority with the Scripture."

"In fact, the Roman Catholic Church asserts, that it is, the only recipient of revelation beyond the Bible…not only is it the only recipient of revelation, but it is the only and infallible interpreter of all revelation, both traditional and Biblical. So, when we know that Roman Catholics baptize babies, that fits into their magisterium, but when you come to Reformation people who say, “Scripture, only Scripture, only…” and **they had a Reformation and they basically dumped tradition and they dumped the magisterium **and they said, “It’s the Bible! It’s the Bible! It’s the Bible!” how come they hung onto infant baptism? It’s not there. It’s a relic of Popery. "

"If you don’t know what the Bible means, you don’t go to somebody who has infallible revelation as to it’s meaning; you dig into the text to discern it. God does not interpret Scripture through history. God does not interpret Scripture through tradition, through rights or ceremonies or doctrines that are true simply because some religious system says they’re true. Only an honest interpretation of Scripture in which you exegete the text itself can yield the meaning of that Scripture. "

"Another thing the baby-baptizers use for support is they try to go to Matthew 18, where Jesus said in verse 3, “Except you become as a little child, you can’t enter the kingdom.” Well, that’s not talking about babies; that’s talking about believers. You have to become like a little child to get into the kingdom. What does that mean? Well, if you’re going to come into God’s kingdom, you don’t come with the record of all your great achievements. You haven’t got any—a little child has no achievements, right? A little child has accomplished nothing, done nothing. They are not productive; have you noticed? They don’t do anything. They just have to have things done to them all the time. They don’t achieve anything, accomplish anything…they don’t make any contribution at all except just the sheer joy of their presence…[ref "let the children come to me:]They weren’t, necessarily, the children of believing parents—we don’t even know who their parents were! "

((I added most of the full paragraphs and not just my hilights to show the quotes in context))
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You seem to be missing my point. If you tell me there’s infants in your family, then I’ll believe you.

The point is that all specific baptisms in the NT are done around repentance. Infants can’t repent. It is logical that families that get baptized repented, therefore had no infants.
I understand your point of view. Since an infant cannot accept Jesus as Lord and Savior (because he does not have the use of reason), baptism is meaningless for him. Am I correct in your reasoning?

However, Jesus requires baptism in order to enter heaven (Jn 3:5; Mk 16:16). Since we are ALL born with original sin, we need baptism (Rom 5:18-19) regardless if we have the use of reason or not. Furthermore, Jesus clearly states that children are not to be kept away from Him (Mk 10:14). The Apostles baptized entire households (Acts 16:15, 33;1 Cor 1:16). This would include infants. There is no Bible passage which prohibits infant baptism.

The lack of reason does not prevent infants from becoming part of the New Covenant through baptism. In the OT, a child became part of the Old Covenant via circumcision (eight days after birth). This decision was, of course, a decision from the child’s parents long before the child could choose for himself to be “part of the Chosen People.” As in the OT, where parents supplied the decision until the age of reason, parents in the NT stand in for the child at his baptism until he can confirm this decision at the age of reason.
 
The problem is that you make no point. Let’s try this using the Socratic method and see if it helps:
  1. Does the term families include infants? Any reasonable person would conclude that the term families would include any person in the household or family, including infants.
  2. Did the writers of the NT use any exceptional language such as “all persons in the household except infants, or all persons in the household except children”? No they did not.
If the writers used the term “families/households” without exceptional verbiage, they would mean to include infants. It is also supported by the following passage:

Thus Peter declared, “Repent, and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is to you and to your children” (Acts 2:38–39).
Seems you missed part of the quote.

Acts 2:
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

To whom is the promise for? To those that repent. All children have the promise when they understand repentance and repent. Infants don’t repent.

Of course families include infants if there are infants. My family now have no infants. Our youngest is 31. Our children don’t have children. We’ve all been baptized as ‘believers’ that repented and who have responded to the mercy, grace and love of Jesus.

The point was that not all families have infants at all times. Of the thousands of baptisms mentioned in the NT, only 5 were families. The odds are at the time of their baptisms, there were no infants. That goes along with the idea that repentant people get baptized.

BTW, is it your opinion infants can receive the Holy Spirit?
 
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