A Search for National Anthem Consistency

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JulianN said:
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GodIsPerfection:
Let’s keep the traditional anthem, and focus on national UNITY.
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Who said anything about not keeping the traditional National Anthem? It’s not like they’re planning to play this instead of the National Anthem—they’re playing it before it. Like they’ve played a whole host of other songs in the past.
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Exactly. Add it to the list of songs that very often get sung at sporting events.
Mister_Friscus said:
The Marxist ideology BLM founders proudly pronounce
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I would only hope that if the Marxists ever took power, they would let the black people keep the third stanza of this anthem, which is very overtly religious:

God of our weary years
God of our silent tears
Thou who has brought us thus far on the way
Thou who has by Thy might
Led us into the light
Keep us forever in the path, we pray
Lest our feet stray from the places, our God, where we met Thee
Lest, our hearts drunk with the wine of the world, we forget Thee
Shadowed beneath Thy hand
May we forever stand
True to our God
True to our native land

Contrast this with the militant atheism of the USSR and the lyrics of The Internationale:

No saviour from on high delivers
No faith have we in prince or peer
Our own right hand the chains must shiver
Chains of hatred, greed and fear
E’er the thieves will out with their booty
And give to all a happier lot.
Each at the forge must do their duty
And we’ll strike while the iron is hot.

Marx said religion is the opiate of the masses. There’s more atheistic propaganda from the ex-USSR than you can shake a stick at, but if I attempted to reproduce some of the images here, they might be deemed “offensive content”. Google it if you’re interested.
 
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“Toothless?” Bunk. Millions of tuition dollars and thousands of class seats and jobs are set aside for minorities every year in the USA. No one who lives in the USA, and who looks around, hasn’t seen job posts saying things like “X entity is committed to diversity in its workforce and encourages minorities to apply.”
 
Does it matter? People are still being the recipients o good things on the basis of something other than merit.
 
Merit, however one defines it, is based on previous factors, most of which are usually out of control of the person who is said to have merit. Affirmative action is nothing more than an attempt at rectifying this, and may not be the most effective thing (I personally think it isn’t), but that doesn’t make it a bad idea.
 
VonDerTann said:
Even if you find the National Anthem offensive…are we supposed to change it, just for you and some hypersensitive few?

How about YOU change and just be a bit stronger and not so easily offended?
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Okey dokey. Thanks for the thoughtful and insightful comments. It’s certainly telling that you think celebrating the inability of a fleeing slave to find refuge is “hypersensitive.”
 
VonDerTann said:
Toothless?” Bunk. Millions of tuition dollars and thousands of class seats and jobs are set aside for minorities every year in the USA. No one who lives in the USA, and who looks around, hasn’t seen job posts saying things like “X entity is committed to diversity in its workforce and encourages minorities to apply.”
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Indeed. They encourage application. But since intent to discriminate is the standard for affirmative action, it is toothless.
 
VonDerTann said:
No. What’s hypersensitive is screeching about the Star Spangled Banner being offensive (on America’s birthday no less).
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“Screeching” is such an interesting verb. On the whole, I don’t believe an objective analysis of my posts on this thread would qualify.

It’s not as if I used the Internet equivalent of yelling to tell someone not to be offended by a verse of a song celebrating slavery.
 
VonDerTann said:
And BTW sarcasm is about the sorriest excuse for argument one sees on this board. It changes no minds and impresses no one.
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You’ve mistaken my meaning. I’m not being sarcastic. I really found your comments quite insightful. Extremely sad, but insightful.
 
If one doesn’t have job experience, or life and cultural experiences, due to the class one was born in, or the area, they can’t have that merit. If one can’t succeed in education due to being radically unprepared for college due to going to a bad public school (because of where you and your family was born), they can’t have that merit. If ones very intellect is affected by living in an area with horrible public housing, slaughterhouses spraying feces in the air, the stress of violence external to you, or not enough or proper nutrition from a million factors outside of your control, is that your fault? Or what about the manners you learn, due to who you are around, and why should imitating a different class he considered good anyway?

Anyway, you should study the low class malnutritioned and dishonorable peasant life Jesus and Mary lived to have more sympathy for the people you think have a victim complex, we do worship a victim anyway.,

Some merit is controllable, and should be called that, by it by default requires an even playing field with which to assess who has merit, and who has fortune.
 
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JulianN said:
If you don’t understand that celebrating the lack of refuge for a fleeing slave might not be a tad offensive, then there’s not a lot of ground for conversation.
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Ummm… it’s a dig at King George’s mercenaries, and his enlisted men who fancied themselves to be free but were merely servants of the King. Hence, his slaves.

Furthermore, the lyric doesn’t really say what you said. I suggest a more careful reading.
 
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neophyte said:
Ummm… it’s a dig at King George’s mercenaries, and his enlisted men who fancied themselves to be free but were merely servants of the King. Hence, his slaves.
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That’s not what most historians believe.

But I am going to bow out and mute — today of all days is probably not when I need reminding of how far we still need to go.

Blessings.
 
Only a person who kneeled for the original anthem could kneel for the “black” anthem without being a hypocrite and that seems unlikely.
 
Irishmom2 said:
What exactly is a Black National Anthem?

And that doesn’t make any sense at all. Are we going to go backwards? Separate but equal national anthems? What next?
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Well, I think you should watch the NFL this fall. It will be eye-opening for you.


In the NFL 70 % of players are of African descent. Look, why the bagpipes and kilts at memorials for police and fire fighters? Many of them are black.

Respect diversity a little.
 
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