A Search for National Anthem Consistency

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Nepperhan said:
Well, I think you should watch the NFL this fall. It will be eye-opening for you.
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For those of us who years ago found the NFL grotesque, in the behavior of players, the nonstop blather of announcers acting as if common plays were stupendous, the blatant effort to highlight the players chosen to be celebrities regardless of performance, and ALL THOSE COMMERCIAL interruptions, may I say, no thanks.
 
So, who is it who is singling out one race from others? Who is it who is dividing people and songs according to race?
 
Mister_Friscus said:
There would be a ton of reasons to protest the Black national anthem
  1. The Racial segregation and divisiveness based on race in the first place
  2. The breaking up of the nuclear family that BLM stands for on their website
  3. The Marxist ideology BLM founders proudly pronounce
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“Lift Every Voice And Sing” has been known as the “Black National Anthem” since long before BLM was a thing. I remember it being named as such when I was a kid, over 30 years ago. (And I’m white, BTW, but I grew up in Detroit, which is majority Black, and went to a majority Black high school. Had a choir director who was black at my parish.)
 
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Forget kneeling, if one were to be at a game, one should boo the loudest one could during the playing of that song. What’s next, a name change of the league to the NBFL (National Black Football League) ? I have been done with those folks since Mr. Kaperdink showed up with his disrespect towards the flag and our one and only national anthem.
 
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So no problem. When black players get together for a private dinner somewhere they can sing it all they want.
 
I never heard of this song or a “Black National Anthem” before 2 days ago.
I don’t care if they play it, but I won’t be paying any attention to it, positive or negative, just like I wouldn’'t be paying attention if they played the Macarena. These songs carry no special meaning for me. The Star Spangled Banner does.

I usually don’t even watch the games, I just follow highlights and updates on social media. If there’s a really good play I’ll watch a replay. I get to skip a lot of folderol that way.
 
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Odilon said:
Forget kneeling, if one were to be at a game, one should boo the loudest one could during the playing of that song. What’s next, a name change of the league to the NBFL (National Black Football League) ? I have been done with those folks since Mr. Kaperdink showed up with his disrespect towards the flag and our one and only national anthem.
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I’m not sure exactly where you’re from. But if you were in Australia and you showed as much disrespect at anything prior to a game that was done to show respect for a minority then you’d be in some strife, my friend.
 
annad347 said:
What are the words in a Black National Anthem?
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If there is a black national anthem, then we have a black nation, as distinguished from the white nation? Is this how people are brought together, or further separated? Do we have two separate nations now?
 
NFL is a for profit corporation that puts on entertainment events. They can choose whatever music they wish as their opening music. If consumers of this entertainment do not like the music selections, they can vote with their pocketbook. The NFL Corp will do what is going to benefit their shareholders.
 
Shasta-Rose said:
So, who is it who is singling out one race from others? Who is it who is dividing people and songs according to race?
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Those Irish bagpipers! (Who may be Scottish).

Singling out? Why can’t everyone appreciate “Lift Every Voice and Sing”? We are enjoying diversity.

Or do you want to cancel Polish Heritage month?
 
Tis_Bearself said:
I never heard of this song or a “Black National Anthem” before 2 days ago.
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That’s why you need to hear it played! Its great to find out these things, huh?
Adamek said:
If there is a black national anthem, then we have a black nation, as distinguished from the white nation?
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If there is a Polish heritage month (October!), the we have a Polish calendar? Celebrate diversity a little.
 
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The fact that you would reference White Fragility is very telling. The book is unapologetically racist, extremist anti-white dogma. The main points being:

white people enact racism every day of their lives through the ways they talk, act, and perform in social interactions.

The two “master discourses” of Whiteness are “individualism” and “universalism.” Supposedly, White people have been “socialized” from the moment they were born to see themselves as individuals rather than as members of racial groups, causing “systemic racism,” and making white people incapable of seeing how they constantly reinstate and reinforce white supremacy with virtually every word they say, or do not say. What a load of bunk. It’s completely at odds with MLK and the Constitution. We need to look beyond race, not define ourselves by it. America rid itself of this type of thinking in the 60’s, 70’s, and 80’s in the civil rights movement, but now, we’re sprinting back towards it. It’s sad.

What’s more, even if you remain silent in inter-racial dialogue, you are making a “move” of Whiteness which keeps you complicit in the preservation of white supremacy. What a convenient argument. If you don’t agree with me, or aren’t angrily pointing fingers with me, you’re a white supremacist. It’s so immature. It’s just the Kapka Trap… whereby any denial is interpreted as evidence of guilt. If you object to any insinuation that you are racist because you are white, or that what you have said has racist connotations, you are failing to come to terms with your racism and exhibiting white fragility.

White Fragility is a racial bullying tactic. We should reject tribal racist books such as this.
 
I"m aware the song existed before, but it is being used by BLM to promote its ideology here. We don’t allow nuance to those who fly the confederate flag… we tell them what their flag means, even if they disagree and say that’s not why they fly it. Yet, we allow BLM and this black racial movement to healthily define itself, even if people are offended by their actions or take things differently.

It’s classic double standards.

Also, listing off all the black people you know doesn’t support your argument. If anything, it’s disrespectful to blacks to simply think you can speak for them because you know some black people.

Meanwhile, while they should speak, we need to stop allowing the notion that white people are incapable of thinking when it comes to racial issues. If you point a finger at someone and say they’re incapable of considering issues outside of themselves based on their skin color… well… that’s what we are supposedly trying to fight, but yet it’s alive and well.
 
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Mister_Friscus said:
I"m aware the song existed before, but it is being used by BLM to promote its ideology here.
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That’s a leap! The song mentions God which the national anthem does not. Also it has a long history of being sung at many functions, not for partisan use.
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We don’t allow nuance to those who fly the confederate flag… we tell them what their flag means, even if they disagree and say that’s not why they fly it.
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Maybe that is because when the flag was designed it was stated that the white on the flag was for white supremacy? And the fact that many states flew it to show opposition to the civil rights movement in the sixties?
 
  1. The song can have whatever history it wants. The fact is, the actual national anthem has, for some reason, been deemed wrong, and needed to be replaced. And the national anthem represents America. So, the fact a change was made makes it a partisan stance and jab, regardless of the initial intentions.
  2. You’re opening a large pandora’s box, which basically ends at you’re fine with telling some what their stances mean while allowing others to define themselves… The “raised fist” symbol used in so much protest is a murderous one used by so many communist movements, and even militant black panther black supremacy groups. Yet, it’s used to today as a positive symbol by leftist politicians, celebrities, athletes, etc.
And, the pattern usually is “The conservatives are evil because they really mean X, but we need to listen to the leftists and hear what they say, you bigot”. That has been made clear by the media for decades, as well as a large segment of mainstream culture.

Double standards everywhere.
 
There are no doubt revolutionaries behind BLM. But we must believe that black lives matter. It can’t be in America that anyone’s life doesn’t matter. That’s what the prolife movement is about. Hopefully we can build on the concept that black lives matter too and reject the communist revolution for which the radicals want to use the movement.

That being said, I don’t know who wrote Lift Every Voice and Sing, but I like the lyrics of it and I can see where the revolutionaries might have a problem with it.
 
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