A serious question, even if I am playing with fire [What is the ultimate fate of the aborted fetuses?]

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I did not say: “know”, I said believe.

Justice would demand that someone without personal sin cannot go to hell. And since there are only TWO possible final destinations, then they must be in heaven.

You mean “based on… reason”?
 
Yes, it sounds so ‘likely’ doesn’t it. Funny how one never finds any mention of this ever occurring with any other ‘heathen’ group; no stories of this happening to the Moors, to the tribes in Africa, or Asia, or the heathens in Europe. Only a snarky mention with no proof that that happened in South America.

I hate to say it, but to me it sounds like one of the more, um, ‘non-denominational’ Protestant sects which likes to go about ‘rebaptising’ South American Catholics has been poisoning the minds of those they seek for their group by lying about the Catholic Church. Look, every individual makes mistakes, there are enough examples in every single solitary event in human history where individuals made decisions that, in hindsight, were lousy. No need to make up things, unless your ‘brand’ of Christianity wouldn’t really stand up on its own without trying to ‘take down’ others. And sure, we’ll hear “Your church does that too”. There is no limit to the amount of ‘offense’ any given human being can feel, apparently.
 
By the flawless logic presented here, we should be killing people as they come out of confession. I’m getting my rifle and heading to church right now.
 
Justice would demand that someone without personal sin cannot go to hell. And since there are only TWO possible final destinations, then they must be in heaven.
Does justice demand that a person by default receive the beatific vision? While I hope all those who die without personal sin do, so far as I see, justice does not “demand it”.
You mean “based on… reason”?
More like very badly formed ethics.
 
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Does justice demand that a person by default receive the beatific vision? While I hope all those who die without personal sin do, so far as I see, justice does not “demand it”.
If there are only TWO options, and one of them would contradict both justice and mercy… then only the other one is available.
 
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Right after confirmation while they’re still lined up.
Forget confirmation, that’s not strictly necessarily for salvation. Just stick their heads in a guillotine, baptize them, and then let the blade drop. Nice and easy.
Very utilitarian. Robespierre would be pleased. 😉
 
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Does justice demand that a person by default receive the beatific vision? While I hope all those who die without personal sin do, so far as I see, justice does not “demand it”.
If there are only TWO options, and one of them would contradict both justice and mercy… then only the other one is available.
Have you read my first post in this topic? Because I already spoke to this
 
I just want to know if I’ll ever see proof backing up the claim about the conquistadors killing baptized converts.
 
I should give you the benefit of the doubt, and I also shouldn’t bother repeating myself if you’re skipping posts, but the two options are not eternal happiness on the one and eternal punishment and pain on the other. It’s beatific vision on the one hand and no beatific vision on the other, the latter not excluding the possibility of natural happiness.
 
Have you read my first post in this topic? Because I already spoke to this
Sure did. You spoke about trust. I speak of reason and logic… and also trusting God’s just and merciful nature. Deacon Jeff said something about presumption. I have no idea how can trusting God’s justice and mercy can be called “presumptious”.
 
A quote first recorded by Bertrand Russell in an essay about why he hated religion is hardly proof. Show me some primary sources.
 
“What then are we to say? Should we continue in sin in order that grace may abound? By no means!” ‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:1-2‬.

I don’t know how God will make this work out in a good and fair way, but I do know you do not serve a good end by committing an act of evil. Not in God’s economy.
 
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I don’t believe aborted babies go to heaven. It is contrary to the fall and the doctrine of original sin. For thousands of years ourJust and Merciful God closed the gates of heaven. It’s the reason that even though limbo is not specifically taught it is still the theological position I find most convincing. And I hold to it. God owes salvation to absolutely no one. Not even a preborn baby.
 
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