A step toward war

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I looked it up and although the answer is not in the form of a recent survey [perhaps someone could find a more recent answer], the question of do children of members of Congress serve in the military.

Answer is: yes.

askville.amazon.com/members-Congress-House-Representatives-children-active-service-military/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=13980553

So, that argument against military action falls apart.

In addition, someone keeps saying the United States has 1000 overseas military bases. And we already know that that argument is also false.
 
I don’t consider it malarky to oppose the murder of thousands of innocent children by dropping an atomic bomb on them.
If Allies did not fight the war they did, Pope Bendedict would have graduated from his Hitler youth days into a full fledged Nazi, for that is what his society would have remained as
Malarkey to call fighting the evil of WWII murder, sitting all prissy and comfie cozy on the freedom that men of harder mettle have won for us.
 
In addition, someone keeps saying the United States has 1000 overseas military bases. And we already know that that argument is also false.
The 2004 Department of defense report lists 4,402 military installations.
3727 are in the USA
115 are in overseas territories of the USA
860 are on foreign locations.
The report does not include several bases established since then in Afghanistan, Eastern Europe and other areas, and it does not include classified information on secret bases.
Anybody can read this for themselves.
defense.gov/pubs/20040910_2004BaseStructureReport.pdf
 
If Allies did not fight the war they did, Pope Bendedict would have graduated from his Hitler youth days into a full fledged Nazi, for that is what his society would have remained as
Malarkey to call fighting the evil of WWII murder, sitting all prissy and comfie cozy on the freedom that men of harder mettle have won for us.
I don’t see this hypothesis as justification for the murder of thousands of children by the atomic bomb.
 
The 2004 Department of defense report lists 4,402 military installations.
3727 are in the USA
115 are in overseas territories of the USA
860 are on foreign locations.
The report does not include several bases established since then in Afghanistan, Eastern Europe and other areas, and it does not include classified information on secret bases.
Anybody can read this for themselves.
defense.gov/pubs/20040910_2004BaseStructureReport.pdf
An “installation” is not a “base”.

HUGE difference between an “installation” and a “base”.

These are actually defined terms.

An installation could be as small as a rented storage locker in some downtown location. Or a radio antenna separate from an actual base.

Every installation is given a number; so some clerk just added up the numbers assigned to installations.

Whereas, a “BASE” … for the Air Force … requires a runway.

And you KNOW that there aren’t 3700 military bases in the United States. Just look at the state you personally live in. Pull up a map and start counting. There are very few actual military bases. But a rented storefront recruiting office, might actually count as an installation.

Ya know, it’s really important to be careful with your choice of words.

When you deliberately conflate and exaggerate, then you are getting very close to calumny or worse.

Very important that we NOT confuse legally and officially defined terms to suit our personal arguments.
 
The military keeps incredibly detailed records of all of its facilities.

There are a huge number of these reports.

If you want to really see something complicated, do a Google search using these criteria:

Air Force bce real property accountable officer report 1-HAF-Z21

and also

Air Force bce real property accountable officer report 1-HAF-Z17

Each branch of the service and each geographic region has these records; they are huge and voluminous and detailed.

So, it’s really important to keep your terminology straight.

An installation is not a facility is not a base.
 
An “installation” is not a “base”.

HUGE difference between an “installation” and a “base”.

These are actually defined terms.

An installation could be as small as a rented storage locker in some downtown location. Or a radio antenna separate from an actual base.

Every installation is given a number; so some clerk just added up the numbers assigned to installations.

Whereas, a “BASE” … for the Air Force … requires a runway.

And you KNOW that there aren’t 3700 military bases in the United States. Just look at the state you personally live in. Pull up a map and start counting. There are very few actual military bases. But a rented storefront recruiting office, might actually count as an installation.

Ya know, it’s really important to be careful with your choice of words.

When you deliberately conflate and exaggerate, then you are getting very close to calumny or worse.

Very important that we NOT confuse legally and officially defined terms to suit our personal arguments.
Wikipedia says something different.
Wikipedia says the following:
“A military base is a facility directly owned and operated by or for the military or one of its branches that shelters military equipment and personnel, and facilitates training and operations.”
and
“A military base may go by any of a number of names, such as the following:
• airbase, airfield or field
• air station
• shipyard or yard
• garrison
• station
• post
• Marine Corps base
• Naval base
• dock
• activity
• magazine
• arsenal
• presidio
• proving ground
• armory
• fort
• camp
• barracks
• casern
• facility
• reservation
• installation (in the generic)
• joint base”

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_base
 
An “installation” is not a “base”.

HUGE difference between an “installation” and a “base”.

These are actually defined terms.

An installation could be as small as a rented storage locker in some downtown location. Or a radio antenna separate from an actual base.

Every installation is given a number; so some clerk just added up the numbers assigned to installations.

Whereas, a “BASE” … for the Air Force … requires a runway.

And you KNOW that there aren’t 3700 military bases in the United States. Just look at the state you personally live in. Pull up a map and start counting. There are very few actual military bases. But a rented storefront recruiting office, might actually count as an installation.

Ya know, it’s really important to be careful with your choice of words.

When you deliberately conflate and exaggerate, then you are getting very close to calumny or worse.

Very important that we NOT confuse legally and officially defined terms to suit our personal arguments.
You have an argument with the dictionary and with wikipedia.
military installation: any more or less permanent post, camp, station, base, or the like, for the support or carrying on of military activities.
Wikipedia definition of a military base: A military base is a facility directly owned and operated by or for the military or one of its branches that shelters military equipment and personnel, and facilitates training and operations.
Not much difference according to them.
In any case, you do agree then that the department of defense has stated in its 2004 report that the USA has 860 foreign installations and 115 on overseas territories for a total of 975 military installations on overseas territories?
 
I admire your desire for peace but your idea is immoral.

How ‘beloved’ are your leaders that you would conscript their children into military service without a draft?

What’s next, if you vote pro-abortion you force your daughter to have one?🤷
No worries. It’s a metaphor. 🤷 😛
 
You have an argument with the dictionary and with wikipedia.
military installation: any more or less permanent post, camp, station, base, or the like, for the support or carrying on of military activities.
Wikipedia definition of a military base: A military base is a facility directly owned and operated by or for the military or one of its branches that shelters military equipment and personnel, and facilitates training and operations.
Not much difference according to them.
In any case, you do agree then that the department of defense has stated in its 2004 report that the USA has 860 foreign installations and 115 on overseas territories for a total of 975 military installations on overseas territories?
The list of Wiki definitions conflicts with itself and they use the word “may”.

If a dock is a base and if a base has four docks, then which is it? Four or one?

The previous Wiki list showed 208 bases overseas.

But you made no effort to count them at all.

So, how about YOU counting them and see what number you come up with.
 
The list of Wiki definitions conflicts with itself and they use the word “may”.

If a dock is a base and if a base has four docks, then which is it? Four or one?

The previous Wiki list showed 208 bases overseas.

But you made no effort to count them at all.

So, how about YOU counting them and see what number you come up with.
Give me a country and I will list the military installations there. A list of 975 is way too many to list here. Anyway, they are all given in the report I cited above.
 
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_military_bases

Here is Wiki’s list of U.S. military bases.

It is not a long list.
It does not include all of the military installations listed by the Department of Defense.
Give me a country and I will give you a list of military installations in that country as given by the 2004 report of the Department of Defense. I believe that the USA has military installations in more than 100 countries.
 
It does not include all of the military installations listed by the Department of Defense.
Give me a country and I will give you a list of military installations in that country as given by the 2004 report of the Department of Defense. I believe that the USA has military installations in more than 100 countries.
Diego Garcia
 
I would dispute the idea that God sent the Allies to drop the atomic bomb on innocent people. I don’t see any verification of this.
Good afternoon, louis,

My apologies for my delay in answering your post. I was in no shape to go online yesterday.

I would like to point out two things.

First, the Holy Bible’s OT has several examples of God sending one nation to chastise another.

Second, the A-Bomb was our idea, not necessarily God’s plan.

God loves you,
Don
 
Maybe they should just get together and play Risk. 😃
Good afternoon rig94086,

I like the idea of personal combat to resolve a war issue better, than a game. There’s enough war gaming in strategy determinations already.

God loves you,
Don
 
Is it me, or does anyone else see an argument for justifying criminal behavior based on the needs of the criminal. In other words, it would be ok to kidnap and hold someone for ransom as long as the kidnapper has legitimate needs…
Good afternoon, bbarrick,

Although I don’t see how your example applies, I do think that louis’ idea of sending congress peoples’ adult offspring to war as discriminatory and unjust.

God loves you,
Don
 
Diego Garcia
According to wikipedia:
"On 1 October 1977, Naval Support Facility, Diego Garcia, was established as the senior US Navy command on the island. At the time the NAVCOMMSTA was the primary tenant, but as the new major facilities were completed, most notably the expanded anchorage and mooring area and the extended airfield, other tenants were commissioned.[23]

In 1980, the US Navy established the Near-Term Prepositioned Force of 16 ships. Then NTPF became the Afloat Prepositioning Force (AFP) and eventually Composite Squadron Two (COMPSRON 2) consisting of 20 deep-water pre-positioned logistics ships anchored in the lagoon.[24]

In 1981, the Naval Air Facility was commissioned. It was decommissioned in 1987 and its responsibilities returned to the NSF.[23]

In 1982, Construction activities were transferred from the SEABEES to a consortium of civilian contractors, and the majority of the projects were completed by 1988.[22] On 26 March 1982, Barbara Shuping and five other women were assigned to the NSF. Prior to this assignment, no women had lived on island since those on the plantation in 1971.[25]

In 1985, the new port facilities were completed, and the USS Saratoga (CV-60) was the first aircraft carrier to tie up.[26]

The Strategic Air Command began deploying Boeing B-52 Stratofortress bombers and aerial refueling aircraft to the newly completed airfield facilities in 1987.[27]

Following the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait in August 1990, three ships of COMPSRON 2 sortied, delivering a Marine Expeditionary Brigade to Saudi Arabia to defend that kingdom and ultimately liberate Kuwait from Iraqi occupation. Other COMPSRON 2 ships offloaded the munitions, bombs, and fuel on Diego Garcia that were required for the US bomber fleet that deployed to airfield. Subsequently, B-52G bombers flew more than 200 17-hour bombing missions over 44 days and dropped more than 800,000 short tons (730,000,000 kg) of bombs on Iraqi forces in Iraq and Kuwait. One of the B-52s crashed from mechanical failures just north of the island with the loss of three of its six-man crew.[27]

Beginning on 7 October 2001, the US again commenced military operations from Diego Garcia using B-1, B-2, and B-52 bombers to attack enemy targets in Afghanistan following the attacks on New York City and the Pentagon. A B-1 bomber was lost on 12 December 2001 to mechanical failures just after take off from the island, but the crew survived and was rescued by the USS Russell (DDG-59).[28] Combat operations resumed in the spring of 2003, with MPSRON TWO sortieing to the Persian Gulf for Operation Iraqi Freedom, and bombing operations began again, this time against Iraq.[29] Bomber operations ceased from Diego Garcia on 15 August 2006.[30]"
 
I don’t see this hypothesis as justification for the murder of thousands of children by the atomic bomb.
If you have no problem living under Nazi rule fine, but if the Allies did not do what they did to win the war, if people had actually listened to myopic ideas of the cowards that begged for peace at all costs, such evil would have triumphed.

You have the freedom now because of these ‘murderers’, who the rest of us call heroes.

If this war was not won, then their would be Nazis in the Vatican.
 
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