A step toward war

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bbarrick8383 said:
Yes, obviously…

I wasn’t alive then and would not agree to such an act. Unless the war is unpreventable and unprovoked, if the US want’s to start a war, they need to make sure they have the manpower to do it without a draft.

However, if a war is started and the US is forced to fight and our livelihood is threatened then people should be volunteering to fight, if they aren’t then I guess government has to do what it has to do to make sure we survive as a nation.
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I can’t make sense of what you say.
First you say you are against forced military service. Now you say you are for it (under certain conditions).
 
louis91766 said:
I can’t make sense of what you say.
First you say you are against forced military service. Now you say you are for it (under certain conditions).
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You made sense of it.

If a bunch of politicians got togethor and felt they needed a draft to force people into war, then heck no.

But if a couple of countries decide to get togethor and take America out and we need every able bodied man to preserve our nation, then by all means.
 
rlg94086 said:
If needed…sure. 🤷

Even if we had one, I wouldn’t support forcing adult offspring to serve based on the votes of their parents.
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But isn’t that pretty much what a draft is. It is forcing adult offspring in military service based on Congressional action. And who voted for the Congress?
 
louis91766 said:
But isn’t that pretty much what a draft is. It is forcing adult offspring in military service based on Congressional action. And who voted for the Congress?
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You’ve drawn this out from this idea that you had, that all politicians families should be forced into military service to a debate on a draft.

It’s two seperate arguments.

Your talking about forcing people into the military just for the simple fact that someone they are related to became a politician, and arguing that it’s the same as forcing people into the military when the need arises to defend the country.
 
bbarrick8383 said:
You made sense of it.

If a bunch of politicians got togethor and felt they needed a draft to force people into war, then heck no.

But if a couple of countries decide to get togethor and take America out and we need every able bodied man to preserve our nation, then by all means.
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If there is support for a forced draft to preserve the USA, then it can be argued that it is not unreasonable to require all relatives of a given age of Congressman who have voted for a war to have these relatives drafted into service in order to preserve and protect the good faith and well being of the USA.
 
louis91766 said:
If there is support for a forced draft to preserve the USA, then it can be argued that it is not unreasonable to require all relatives of a given age of Congressman who have voted for a war to have these relatives drafted into service in order to preserve and protect the good faith and well being of the USA.
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You just jumped the grand canyon, congratulations.
 
rlg94086 said:
It’s not a question of implementation. It is a question of the rights of an adult whom you want to force into service because of their parents, while everyone else in the country gets to choose whether or not they serve. You are taking an immoral position IMO.
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It was a metaphor. Don’t you get that?
 
louis91766 said:
If there is support for a forced draft to preserve the USA, then it can be argued that it is not unreasonable to require all relatives of a given age of Congressman who have voted for a war to have these relatives drafted into service in order to preserve and protect the good faith and well being of the USA.
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Is it me, or does anyone else see an argument for justifying criminal behavior based on the needs of the criminal. In other words, it would be ok to kidnap and hold someone for ransom as long as the kidnapper has legitimate needs…
 
bbarrick8383 said:
Is it me, or does anyone else see an argument for justifying criminal behavior based on the needs of the criminal. In other words, it would be ok to kidnap and hold someone for ransom as long as the kidnapper has legitimate needs…
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This is the argument that people have advanced against the draft law of the USA some time ago.
 
louis91766 said:
This is the argument that people have advanced against the draft law of the USA some time ago.
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As I’ve said, the only reason I could ever support a draft is if it was for survival. At that point I would hope that most of us would volunteer.
 
louis91766 said:
But isn’t that pretty much what a draft is. It is forcing adult offspring in military service based on Congressional action. And who voted for the Congress?
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A draft is a form of lottery - random. Targeting specific individual due to their lineage, race, creed, etc. is immoral IMO. They are adults and should be afforded the same rights as every other adult.
 
bbarrick8383 said:
As I’ve said, the only reason I could ever support a draft is if it was for survival.
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But why would the personal survival of an American civilian be any more important than the survival of six children in Afghanistan or of 24 soldiers in Pakistan?
 
rlg94086 said:
A metaphor for what? .
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A metaphor to promote peace and to end war. Why not try to bring peace to the world. Instead of spending all this money on 1000 military bases overseas, why doesn’t the USA spend one percent of that money to promote the cause of peace.
 
louis91766 said:
But why would the personal survival of an American civilian be any more important than the survival of six children in Afghanistan or of 24 soldiers in Pakistan?
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I didn’t say personal survival of an American civilian, I meant the whole nation.

You are arguing to force someone into the military in order to try and force politicians to think or behave a certain way.

Whoever said that was nutty, was being nice…🤷
 
louis91766 said:
A metaphor to promote peace and to end war. Why not try to bring peace to the world. Instead of spending all this money on 1000 military bases overseas, why doesn’t the USA spend one percent of that money to promote the cause of peace.
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That’s a metaphor?
 
louis91766 said:
It is an unjust and immoral war when one side drops an atomic bomb on a city and it results in indiscriminate casualties of innocent children and other civilians. My personal opinion is that it is wrong to murder children for the purpose of bringing about an end to a war.
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WWII was not an unjust war.
Catholics make themselves into laughing stocks when they push that line of malarkey.

Hitler is dead and Imperial Japan is gone. These are good things. Technology is being developed where strikes are getting more and more precise, but until then, we are called to fight evil.
Just like former generations were called to fight evil that was crushing good people everywhere in the 1930’s and 1940’s.

It is evil to allow evil to go unopposed when you have the ability to do something about it.
 
Darryl1958 said:
Catholics make themselves into laughing stocks when they push that line of malarkey.
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I don’t consider it malarky to oppose the murder of thousands of innocent children by dropping an atomic bomb on them.
 
louis91766 said:
I don’t see anything wrong with patriotism and love of my country. As one who truly loves America, I hate to see people saying that I am nutty or given to rant when all I want is peace and for America to be in peace with people throughout the world. As I mentioned, one way to insure that the USA does not get into undesirable wars is to mandate that all of the close relatives of a given age of Congressman and Senators who vote for war be immediately and summarily drafted to serve in the military, preferably at the front lines of the war, which their Congressman has voted for. Of course the best thing would be for America to immediately pull out of Afghanistan and Iraq, where it is not wanted anyway. The beloved leaders of the United States are creating problems for all of us as they continue to wage a war in Afghanistan which simply cannot be won. It is a total waste of money, and to top it off, innocent people are being killed, resulting in demonstrations and animosity against America.
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I admire your desire for peace but your idea is immoral.

How ‘beloved’ are your leaders that you would conscript their children into military service without a draft?

What’s next, if you vote pro-abortion you force your daughter to have one?🤷
 
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