Abortion and Nuremberg

[Portofino]

On the contrary, imprisonment could give them time to think about what they had done.

What difference do you see that would make the mass murder of Jews punishable ex post facto, but not the mass murder of unborn babies?

On the contrary, imprisonment could give them time to think about what they had done.

What difference do you see that would make the mass murder of Jews punishable ex post facto, but not the mass murder of unborn babies?

Well, I suppose freedom of speech and of the press would also be out the window, under this pro-life government; that is, anyone who openly espouses a pro-choice position could be thrown in jail. Contraception would also be outlawed and – why not – heavy jail sentences for repeat offenders. I also think free elections would be a no-no; any pro-choice candidate would automatically be excluded from office (and then thrown in jail). There would be lots of political prisoners.

This government would also need to convince the international community that it is not violating the rights of its citizens, else it will be viewed as just another rogue theocracy (no different from Iran in its practices). You would have doctors leaving this country and taking refuge in other nations; other nations that are still “pro-choice” and that would refuse extradition requests. In fact, we should count ourselves lucky if it doesn’t start World War III.

 

[Fairwinds]

Well, I suppose freedom of speech and of the press would also be out the window, under this pro-life government; that is, anyone who openly espouses a pro-choice position could be thrown in jail. Contraception would also be outlawed and – why not – heavy jail sentences for repeat offenders. I also think free elections would be a no-no; any pro-choice candidate would automatically be excluded from office (and then thrown in jail). There would be lots of political prisoners. …

ve need to be thorough.

 

[Timothysis]

The difference with the Nuremberg trials is that the Nazi regime was declared by the Allies to be an illegal regime and that the acts that followed from it were illegal acts.

Would devoutchristian be so bold as to declare the Constitution to be an illegal source of government since it allowed abortion, contraception, pornography, etc.? What about the court system and the judges who preside? Do we go after them, too? Exactly what fundamental rights would the individual possess under this new system, if any at all?

 

[Fairwinds]

The difference with the Nuremberg trials is that the Nazi regime was declared by the Allies to be an illegal regime and that the acts that followed from it were illegal acts.

Would devoutchristian be so bold as to declare the Constitution to be an illegal source of government since it allowed abortion, contraception, pornography, etc.? What about the court system and the judges who preside? Do we go after them, too? Exactly what fundamental rights would the individual possess under this new system, if any at all?

we would have to treat the USofA as a defeated state in order to impose Nuremberg-style justice. the list of offenders is vast, but I believe we could accomplish relatively swift justice with pared down jurisprudence and special magistrates.

 

[Timothysis]

What do think of the Nuremberg trials?

The Nuremberg trial had Soviet judges whose own leader and Red Army did the exact same thing during the war as the Nazis.

Is that how Justice is served, by the victor?

 

[Timothysis]

we would have to treat the USofA as a defeated state in order to impose Nuremberg-style justice. the list of offenders is vast, but I believe we could accomplish relatively swift justice with pared down jurisprudence and special magistrates.

Indeed, and don’t forget the Cheka, NKVD, Gestapo and the Tsar’s secret police to make sure that we get them all.…

 

[Fairwinds]

The Nuremberg trial had Soviet judges whose own leader and Red Army did the exact same thing during the war as the Nazis.

Is that how Justice is served, by the victor?

I suggest that, procedural irregularities notwithstanding and the Katyn forest incident being merely a case of justice delayed, the results of the various post-war tribunals were fair and the outcomes within reasonable bounds of justice.

mass trials and punishment in the USA can be resolved within a year, I think, with the assistance of loyal members of the armed forces.

 

[Timothysis]

As I said, what should be done is not dependent on the Constitution.

So who do you support, the Reds or the Whites?

 

[Fairwinds]

Indeed, and don’t forget the Cheka, NKVD, Gestapo and the Tsar’s secret police to make sure that we get them all.…

comrade, never underestimate the power of the informer.

 

[devoutchristian]

I’ll play along, sure. you mean punish abortion doctors, procurers, women who’ve had abortions, men who’ve assisted women who’ve had abortions, politicians who voted for abortion laws or funding therefor, anyone who failed to prevent abortions. anyone else?

You didn’t answer the question.

Well, I suppose freedom of speech and of the press would also be out the window, under this pro-life government; that is, anyone who openly espouses a pro-choice position could be thrown in jail.

Freedom of thought and general freedom of speech would remain, although the propagation of hatred would be prohibited.

Contraception would also be outlawed and – why not – heavy jail sentences for repeat offenders.

Certainly contraception should be illegal.

I also think free elections would be a no-no; any pro-choice candidate would automatically be excluded from office

Of course people who advocated hateful ideologies would be excluded from office, why would this prevent free elections?

(and then thrown in jail). There would be lots of political prisoners.

Not really.

This government would also need to convince the international community that it is not violating the rights of its citizens, else it will be viewed as just another rogue theocracy (no different from Iran in its practices).

It would only be thought of that way by people who have no idea what the word “theocracy” means.

You would have doctors leaving this country and taking refuge in other nations; other nations that are still “pro-choice” and that would refuse extradition requests.

So what? Terrorists already flee to pro-terror countries.

In fact, we should count ourselves lucky if it doesn’t start World War III.

The international community doesn’t intervene in powerless contries that prohibit abortion, there’s no reason to suspect that it would intervene in a country that could hold its own.

 

[Timothysis]

I suggest that, procedural irregularities notwithstanding and the Katyn forest incident being merely a case of justice delayed, the results of the various post-war tribunals were fair and the outcomes within reasonable bounds of justice.

Wait, didn’t Papa Stalin swear up and down that it was the Nazis who were responsible for the Katyn forest incident?

mass trials and punishment in the USA can be resolved within a year, I think, with the assistance of loyal members of the armed forces.

That, and with enough small calibre pistols to go around.

 

[devoutchristian]

The difference with the Nuremberg trials is that the Nazi regime was declared by the Allies to be an illegal regime and that the acts that followed from it were illegal acts.

Would devoutchristian be so bold as to declare the Constitution to be an illegal source of government since it allowed abortion, contraception, pornography, etc.? What about the court system and the judges who preside? Do we go after them, too? Exactly what fundamental rights would the individual possess under this new system, if any at all?

The German government was legitimate in the sense that it could validly enforce just laws, the same as the US.

 

[Timothysis]

Of course people who advocated hateful ideologies would be excluded from office, why would this prevent free elections?

Newsflash: If you exclude certain people from office because of their ideology then you cannot have free elections.

Henry Ford said of his Model T that you can buy one in any color you like as long as it is black.

Devoutchristian says that you can vote for any candidate you like as long as it’s the one we allow.

Somewhere Doctor Zhivago is writing poetry…

 

[devoutchristian]

Newsflash: If you exclude certain people from office because of their ideology then you cannot have free elections.

Henry Ford said of his Model T that you can buy one in any color you like as long as it is black.

Devoutchristian says that you can vote for any candidate you like as long as it’s the one we allow.

Somewhere Doctor Zhivago is writing poetry…

There could be elections between candidates who weren’t hate-filled ideologues.

 

[Timothysis]

The German government was legitimate in the sense that it could validly enforce just laws, the same as the US.

You mean like the laws against Jews, the mentally ill, gypsies, Jehovah’s Witnesses, slavs, homosexuals…

Are you saying that those laws were Just and served Justice?

In any event, the Allies declared the Nazi regime a totalitarian state and that it was illegal and illegitimate, the same way the Allies in 1815 declared Napoleon a criminal after his escape from Elba.

 

[Timothysis]

There could be elections between candidates who weren’t hate-filled ideologues.

And who decides what is hate filled; you???

 

[devoutchristian]

You mean like the laws against Jews, the mentally ill, gypsies, Jehovah’s Witnesses, slavs, homosexuals…

Are you saying that those laws were Just and served Justice?

In any event, the Allies declared the Nazi regime a totalitarian state and that it was illegal and illegitimate, the same way the Allies in 1815 declared Napoleon a criminal after his escape from Elba.

German laws against murder, rape, and the like were legitimate, just as they are in every country.

And who decides what is hate filled; you???

If a person supports legalizing the mass murder of a specific group, then they’re hate filled.

 

[Fairwinds]

You didn’t answer the question…

comrade, I have decided to change my position and lend my not inconsiderable intellectual and advocacy skills to your wishes.

ve will have to invalidate the constitution and treat these so-called United States as a conquered state with an illegitimate government, the way the Allies treated the Reich at Nuremberg.

the pro-life offenders list is long, but manageable:

women who have had abortions
abortion doctors
women who have had abortions
men who have caused women to have abortions
abortion nurses
women who have had abortions
anyone who has failed to prevent an abortion
abortion front office staff
women who have had abortions
owners of abortion clinics
practitioners of contraception
pharmacists who have sold contraceptives or birth control devises/meds.
women who have had abortions
every judge who has not invalidated Roe v Wade
politicians who have voted for abortion laws
politicians who have voted to fund abortion clinics
women who have had abortions
every legislator who has not voted to invalidate Roe v Wade
women who have had abortions
Norma L. McCorvey aka Jane Roe (should have thought this through first)
women who have had abortions

give me a year, some drumhead trials, special judges, and I’ll have this mess cleaned up in no time.

 

[Fairwinds]

And who decides what is hate filled; you???

this should be, “And who decides what is hate filled; you, Lt. Weinberg?”

 

[devoutchristian]

Some arguments aren’t worthy of a response.