You can read for yourself the interpretation of others who show the Hyde amendment is still rule of the land. Or you can merely go by whatever the bishops tell you. You’re free to believe as you please. At least I still think this is the United States of America. God bless and peace.
Ishii, when Rome takes over our democracy I’ll have no choice. In the meantime peace.
Why would our “least breathren” not include our unborn brethren?
Believe me: abortion is a war of the greatest proportions we have ever seen. It has had more casualties than all the past century’s other wars combined.
The words “masturbation” or “pornography” do not explicitly appear in the bible either, so does that make them permissible? Absolutely not
[bibledrb]Exodus 21:22-23[/bibledrb]Read the Haydock Commentary on this:
Would you really think that the value of a human depends on age? Each human is infinitely valuable regardless of age. Remember, Christ also said that these men should not be quarrelsome (angry) in the first place because it, too, is a violation of the 5th commandment:[bibledrb]Matthew 5:21-22[/bibledrb]
Your label states you are Catholic, does the Catechism of the Catholic Church mean anything to you as what it states about abortion?
More than my label states I am Catholic. The Catholic Chuch states I am as well. So I may not be as perfectly practicing as you in regard to catechism but nevertheless Catholic. I don’t see myself having an abortion if I were female so yes I guess then some of what the catechism states means something to me. But it may not to a non Catholic woman who may have a different faith belief as to the moment of conception. Rome has not yet turned our democracy into a Catholic theocracy yet the last I looked. And I respect others faith beliefs on this issue as I do not walk in another’s shoes who has been raped or whose life and health may be in danger. That’s my thinking but you can think differently. It’s still America the last I checked. Peace.
Rome has said that an abortion is taking a human life. Don’t you realize how you are defending abortion?
I realize you think I am defending abortion. I am defending reality on this matter. Not what Rome wishes reality to be. I’m realistic enough to know abortion will not go away. So I would rather seek common ground to make abortion while safe and legal in our democracy of many faiths and beliefs, also rare. For our energies and resources and votes to be spent for instance in getting more programs put in place in support of mothers and their children following birth. Saving children more in that manner. Rather than continuing such a fight to outlaw abortion, sending women back to the backalleys for their abortions. Peace.
I think we all know that some Catholics do not follow the teachings of the Church with regard to abortion. The Church does not, and never did, teach that there is a moral equivalency between abortion and such issues as healthcare, welfare or whatever. One can, of course, disagree with the Church, but not without imperiling his/her soul in doing it.
You are right in one thing, abortion will never go away as long as you keep excusing it in this manner.
There is no “common ground” in this. The “common ground” of the pro-abortionists is, as you stated, making abortion “safe, legal and rare”. But we might leave off the “rare” part, since there is absolutely no evidence that any program other than prohibition has ever made abortion “rare”. So, the “common ground” argued by Obama and his followers is simply: “I want abortion on demand to remain the law of the land. This is what I want. We can have “common ground” if you support abortion with me, and we’ll both pretend we’re doing something to make it ‘rare’.”
One side supports allowing women to have their chidlren torn to bits. The other side believes thisshould be prohibited. so what is the common ground? Agreeing women can beat their children senseless anytime they want???
So there ya have it. The last few posts said it all. Common ground is a non-starter to anti-choice Catholics. When working towards less abortion is proposed, they scoff. And the mindset is women want to beat their children anytime they want. It are those kinds of statements from others that led to the murder of a dr while he was worshiping in his Lutheran church. This discussion has showed me nothing other than I thank God I am not a member of such a political movement. May God continue to bless the United States of Amercia and keep us free. God bless you all. Peace.So there ya have it. You say anti-choice says it all.
I am proudly anti-choice when the choice inolved the allwoing women to pay someone to kill their children.
I meant to say that he used anti choice instead of pro life.
The argument you are trying to make that pro lifers do not work towards less abortion is another way of trying to ease the guilt of choosing a party over life.
Its the standard Democrat talking point. “Pro-lifers only care about the child until its born”. Of course it utter nonsense but ,when trying to defend the indefensible ,nonsense is about all one can offer
I use anti-choice because it is a more correct description. Pro-life does not mean only life in the womb. When I see Catholics downplaying the lives of the poor… my own priest, well I should say former because I haven’t been back… but when I hear him say his answer to the poor is simply to get a job in the midst of the greatest recesssion since the Great Depression… and I see Catholics arguing against adequate affordable healthcare, and other public programs to provide support for a mother and child once the child is out of the womb, while all the while supporting the death penalty… pro-life is clearly a misnomer for many of these folks.
Abortion is death, no abortion is life, that is black and white. Every other issue you bring into this is debatable.