Abortion Doctor Geroge Tiller Murdered this morning

[rlg94086]

Once again, this is nothing but manipulation on your part. What, I wonder, is your motivation?

Sorry, but NOT feeling sympathy for someone is not sinful, and not un-Christian and says nothing about what one believes about the Church’s teachings.

My motivation is to move us all closer to Christ.

Here is some more “manipulation” for you…

1931 **Respect for the human person proceeds by way of respect for the principle that "everyone should look upon his neighbor (without any exception) as ‘another self,’ **above all bearing in mind his life and the means necessary for living it with dignity."37 No legislation could by itself do away with the fears, prejudices, and attitudes of pride and selfishness which obstruct the establishment of truly fraternal societies. Such behavior will cease only through the charity that finds in every man a “neighbor,” a brother.

1932 The duty of making oneself a neighbor to others and actively serving them becomes even more urgent when it involves the disadvantaged, in whatever area this may be. "As you did it to one of the least of these my brethren, you did it to me."38

1933 This same duty extends to those who think or act differently from us. The teaching of Christ goes so far as to require the forgiveness of offenses. He extends the commandment of love, which is that of the New Law, to all enemies.39 Liberation in the spirit of the Gospel is incompatible with hatred of one’s enemy as a person, but not with hatred of the evil that he does as an enemy.

Dr. Tiller was guilty of horrific sins. We are still to extend our love, and sympathy, to him and his family. It isn’t easy. I certainly struggle with it all the time. However, it is what Christ taught. We can hate the evil that he does, but we can’t hate him as a person.

 

[Paul_Vincent]

Once again, this is nothing but manipulation on your part. What, I wonder, is your motivation?

Sorry, but NOT feeling sympathy for someone is not sinful, and not un-Christian and says nothing about what one believes about the Church’s teachings.

A lack of human emotion for a person is not sinful. You may want it to be, but you would be theologically incorrect.

I do not advocate the murder of Dr. Tiller, and it was a tragedy for the pro-life movement. That does not mean I feel sorry for him or his family.

If you define sorrow as a feeling you get when something bad happens, then you’re right, it’s not sinful to lack sorrow, or any emotion, as these cannot be manufactured.

What you’re advocating, it seems, is not a lack of emotion for but an active apathy towards the abortionist and his family. You don’t love, feel sorry for, hate, or display any other emotion–you just sound like you don’t care at all, which (IMHO) is worse even than hate. And, yes, apathy in the face of a call to love is sinful.

An image of God was destroyed today, albeit one so perverted that he destroyed other images of God. That, if nothing else, is cause for sorrow.

(Do let me know how the “hospitality towards strangers” thing is working for you, eh?)

 

[DeoSalvatoreMeo]

I have no idea what you’re talking about, and since you reference such a partisan loudmouth as Mr. O’Reilly, I automatically doubt its truth, but, if a 10 year-old girl was made pregnant by sexual abuse/rape, then I think abortion would be much more acceptable than forcing such the child to bear a child herself.

“In the state of Kansas, there is a doctor, George Tiller, who will execute babies for $5,000 if the mother is depressed. And there are rapists impregnating 10-year-olds who are being protected by abortion clinics. It doesn’t get worse than that. This is the absolute shame of America.”

The Factor has learned that Tiller was aborting babies of girls aged 10-15, including victims of forcible rape, “and those abortions were not reported to authorities as required by law,” Bill said, “so the criminals who impregnated the girls have so far gotten away with it.”

billoreilly.com/blog?action=viewBlog&blogID=-115522592623938900

Now you know what I am talking about.

 

[ilovekittens]

Brave soul he was, still had the intestinal fortitude to murder children day after day despite the threats against him. Give me a break.

What do you think his motivation was? After years of harassment, threats, public demonization, and after being shot in both arms in 1993, he continued to practice medicine and perform this legal service to his patients, women in need. I think he thought he was doing the right thing, and I think he deserves some respect if not admiration for what he did. I am sure he did not think that a fetus in utero is a child, but rather a fetus in utero. Many reasonable and otherwise good people think that; such is the nature of the issue in our time.

 

[rlg94086]

What do you think his motivation was? After years of harassment, threats, public demonization, and after being shot in both arms in 1993, he continued to practice medicine and perform this legal service to his patients, women in need. I think he thought he was doing the right thing, and I think he deserves some respect if not admiration for what he did. I am sure he did not think that a fetus in utero is a child, but rather a fetus in utero. Many reasonable and otherwise good people think that; such is the nature of the issue in our time.

I hope all the people on this board who, day after day, use inflammatory rhetoric to describe abortion and abortionists recognize that this man’s blood is on your hands.

I hope that all the “reasonable and otherwise good people” who, day after day, think like the bolded section above, recognize that the blood of millions of aborted babies is on their hands.

 

[DeoSalvatoreMeo]

What do you think his motivation was? After years of harassment, threats, public demonization, and after being shot in both arms in 1993, he continued to practice medicine and perform this legal service to his patients, women in need. I think he thought he was doing the right thing, and I think he deserves some respect if not admiration for what he did. I am sure he did not think that a fetus in utero is a child, but rather a fetus in utero. Many reasonable and otherwise good people think that; such is the nature of the issue in our time.

There is nothing respectable about aborting babies. Of course he knew they were children. He did abortions straight through the 9th month. A baby at that stage is identical to a newborn. Do we need to get graphic about how you have to kill a baby that size? There is nothing admirable that he did. Nothing! Being an abortionist, responsible for 60,000 deaths, is a serious crime against humanity. It is sad that the violence he committed on the unborn for years, came back to him today in an act of violence. It’s too bad he didn’t repent like Dr. Bernard Nathanson, before it was too late.

 

[Angels_Unaware]

If you define sorrow as a feeling you get when something bad happens, then you’re right, it’s not sinful to lack sorrow, or any emotion, as these cannot be manufactured.

What you’re advocating, it seems, is not a lack of emotion for but an active apathy towards the abortionist and his family. You don’t love, feel sorry for, hate, or display any other emotion–you just sound like you don’t care at all, which (IMHO) is worse even than hate. And, yes, apathy in the face of a call to love is sinful.

An image of God was destroyed today, albeit one so perverted that he destroyed other images of God. That, if nothing else, is cause for sorrow.

(Do let me know how the “hospitality towards strangers” thing is working for you, eh?)

You are quite presumptuous to put words in my mouth. I have not advocated “apathy” or a lack of love toward anyone.

Loving a person does not necessarily mean feeling sorrow or sympathy for their fate. I do not feel sorrow or sympathy for child rapists or murderers who commit these crimes and receive justice for their crimes, either. I don’t feel sorrow or sympathy for the man who murdered George Tiller. He is equally a murderer.

Nor does a lack of such sympathy, which is a human emotion, mean that I do not hope for mercy from God for George Tiller.

The rhetoric around this crime, however, will be that if we do not feel outrage and extreme sympathy for George Tiller, then we are advocating his murder, or we would not extend the grace of Jesus Christ to him or his family.

That is wrong. That is putting words in my mouth. That is assuming what you do not know. I do not apologize for lacking emotion for him.

Murdering George Tiller was extremely damaging to anyone who upholds the value of life. Nobody but God is entitled to render judgment on him. That does not mean that I or anyone else has a responsibility to mourn him, or any other person who takes innocent life.

 

[Paul_Vincent]

I hope all the people on this board who, day after day, use inflammatory rhetoric to describe abortion and abortionists recognize that this man’s blood is on your hands.

This is manipulation. Equating rhetoric–even the inflammatory kind–to the act of murder is uncalled for.

Descriptions of abortion should be as inflammatory as descriptions of the Nazi Holocaust. I’ve taken the time to see an abortion recorded on videotape. It is a grisly, brutal act–the tearing of fully-formed limbs from torsos, the smashing of skulls so the gray matter inside can spill out and the skull compress. We live in isolation of these events, to the point where abortion becomes merely a topic of debate–an academic exercise of who’s right and wrong.

I feel sorry for the babies most of all, nearly to the point where my sorrow for Tiller appears as hate alongside. If we truly accorded the unborn the same quality we do the born, we would not stand for this holocaust. We’ve gone to war with other nations over less.

 

[Angels_Unaware]

And you know what else, if George Tiller were in the ocean drowning and I was in a lifeboat, I would reach out my hand to him and help him to safety.

I would pray for him. I would pray for his family. Nobody should advocate the demise of anyone.

And yet, when someone who commits violence is gone, it is difficult to become teary eyed for anyone except his innocent grandchildren and for the very thought of his soul being judged before God.

 

[aggiecatholic05]

I think he deserves some respect if not admiration for what he did.

can you please give some justification for that comment. i can see no way to justify the holocaust he committed by murdering people day in and day out. genocide is not something i respect or admire.

 

[DeoSalvatoreMeo]

And yet, when someone who commits violence is gone, it is difficult to become teary eyed for anyone except his innocent grandchildren and for the very thought of his soul being judged before God.

And for the thousands of souls that never took their first breath because they died at his hands… It’s not that I don’t feel sorrow that this man died in an act of violence, but I feel like when we talk about how sad it is that this man was killed, a man who lived and died by his choices, we dishonor the memory of all of the human beings that he killed before they ever had a chance to live. Isn’t that sad? Isn’t that the larger tragedy in all of this?

ilovekittens: It seems you would be more upset if he had killed kittens in the womb. Don’t you have any sorrow over the lives lost at this man’s hands?

 

[rlg94086]

And you know what else, if George Tiller were in the ocean drowning and I was in a lifeboat, I would reach out my hand to him and help him to safety.

I would pray for him. I would pray for his family. Nobody should advocate the demise of anyone.

And yet, when someone who commits violence is gone,** it is difficult **to become teary eyed for anyone except his innocent grandchildren and for the very thought of his soul being judged before God.

No one said it is easy to love and feel sorrow for the possible eternal damnation of our enemies. Our Lord’s way is not easy - especially in these circumstances. No matter how many times we pray the Our Father, it is still difficult to “forgive those who trespass against us.”

 

[St_Francis]

I have no idea what you’re talking about, and since you reference such a partisan loudmouth as Mr. O’Reilly, I automatically doubt its truth, but, if a 10 year-old girl was made pregnant by sexual abuse/rape, then I think abortion would be much more acceptable than forcing such the child to bear a child herself.

You list yourself as being Catholic, but you do not seem to be listening to the Church on this matter. Even if a young child has been raped, the child conceived has done nothing–why should he or she be subject to the death penalty, esp when the rapist/father is not!

 

[Jennifer123]

Found this out earlier this afternoon but couldn’t read the CAF take on the news until now. Wow - 17 pages. Will say a chaplet of Divine Mercy for Mr. Tiller’s soul tonight, but I can’t also think about how this will hurt the pro-life movement. Many people on the internet with the usual “religious fanatic” rhetoric.

Coincidence that this occurs just before Dr. Tiller’s license is revoked?

 

[TLM08]

Weeping for this monster is a lot like weeping for Adolph Hitler. I cannot and will not do it. Tonight, I will pray for all of the babies he has butchered over the years. Let him rot!

 

[Angels_Unaware]

No one said it is easy to love and feel sorrow for the possible eternal damnation our enemies. Our Lord’s way is not easy - especially in these circumstances. No matter how many times we pray the Our Father, it is still difficult to “forgive those who trespass against us.”

Jesus *forgave *, and I advocate forgiveness and mercy for all sinners, George Tiller included.

Forgiveness is an act of will, not of emotion. Lacking the feeling of remorse I would feel were the Holy Father or a saint or a child to be murdered in the face of this murder is not the same thing.

 

[rlg94086]

Jesus *forgave *, and I advocate forgiveness and mercy for all sinners, George Tiller included.

Forgiveness is an act of will, not of emotion. Lacking the feeling of remorse I would feel were the Holy Father or a saint or a child to be murdered in the face of this murder is not the same thing.

So, help me out here. You don’t believe that Our Lord feels any sorrow over the death of Dr. Tiller?

 

[Paul_Vincent]

A.U.,

I think we might be on the same page, now, or close enough so it doesn’t matter.

I apologize for putting words in your mouth. It was my intention to convey perceived intent, not a summary of the literal meaning of your words. My perceptions were apparently off, and I apologize for my “pomposity.”

I guess my point is it would have been greatly desired for this person to see the error of his ways and repent and embrace the pro-life cause, rather than the wasteful end his life met. The missed opportunities are great cause for sadness, as is pondering what seems the probable outcome of his standing before God.

I hope you’ll forgive me.

–Paul

 

[ChristinaM]

I hope all the people on this board who, day after day, use inflammatory rhetoric to describe abortion and abortionists recognize that this man’s blood is on your hands.

I reject the false equivalence you have presented of “inflammatory rhetoric” as equivalent to murder. This liberal notion of “group guilt” is utterly abhorrent to me. Tiller’s blood is on the hands of the nutjob who shot him. Period. And the blood of many unborn children was on Tiller’s hands. It’s a mad world we live in where people can muster up compassion for this man but none for the innocent lives he took.

 

[thereseozi]

Terrible situation.

At first I could almost see the pro-life side, considering late-term abortions are horrific.

But after reading more about him, I actually admire him. These abortions were done on fetuses who had no brains or suffered other horrific disorders who would suffer and die soon after birth. One fetus had developed cancer and was already suffering without pain medication in the mother’s womb (I didn’t realize that could happen). While I understand the Catholic perspective that one should never kill, as this is a secular nation, I think these abortions are merciful and entirely appropriate. I cannot condemn him - also some of the women were in serious danger but not enough to get a “health risk” exemption in some states, and needed the abortion to avoid worse harm.

I get the pro-life perspective, but not in this case, except for on purely religious grounds . These weren’t women who woke up one day weeks from birth and went “eh…i’d rather have a baby of a different gender. I’m going to get an abortion!” This violence is never right, but if you were to target someone, it shouldn’t be this guy IMO. His website offered funeral services and things like holding the fetus afterwards - clearly, this wasn’t the act of an evil guy and a careless woman/couple - it was heartbroken couples mourning the loss of a severely disabled fetus that they wish could have survived, and a man helping them. I don’t look at this guy like I do most abortion doctors.

What is the source of your information?

Check this: dr-tiller.com/elective.htm Click on the link to hear Dr. Tiller saying that late term abortions are done for whatever reason…