Abortion Doctor Geroge Tiller Murdered this morning

[Melvin]

It’s not given to me to judge the state of the man’s soul. Nor do I condone murder.

Nevertheless, in purely human terms, he was a despicable man without whom the world is better off.

It may well be that the abortion forces will make a martyr of Tiller and blame prolifers, etc, etc, etc. But their campaign for the Culture of Death and against the Culture of Life was relentless anyway.

Thank you. The reality is that only one side in this whole issue has any moral standing whatever and that is the pro-life side. And, while Jesus did not advocate “an eye for an eye,” He most certainly did advocate protecting the innocent. And He most certainly did advocate laying down one’s life for one’s friends. While we might feel anointed to sit in judgment on the man who killed Tiller (as on Tiller himself), it is only the man who killed Tiller who has actually laid down his life (I qualify that as we have no further details and no finding as to motive as yet), and may indeed lose his life, in order to protect the innocent.

Tiller had been performing abortions since 1973. Anyone care to guess how many innocent lives he had taken? Possibly in the thousands. In effect, no different than a serial murderer. Protests had not stopped Tiller, the government had not stopped Tiller, nobody stopped Tiller. Every unborn child that Tiller murdered since 1973, during all the pro-life “protests” at his clinic, his home, etc…is just as dead as if there had been no protests at all. Yes, some lives may have been saved by those protests, but thousands upon thousands were not.

Do I condone Tiller’s killing? I cannot say that, because only God knows the justice or lack of justice involved in the act’s commission. I cannot condone an act if I do not know with a moral certainty that it is the right thing to do. I think the best answer I can come up with is this: it would have been best if Tiller had repented, or in some way been prevented from murdering more unborn children via some other means. But the fact is, Tiller will murder no more unborn children.

Tiller was given plenty of warning over a number of years. Those warnings may have been given by God Himself. Tiller ignored them all.

May God have mercy on us all.

 

[cyberwolf001]

You make that allegation, that children are dying of starvation in the USA because of conservative policies, and then refuse to back it up? You *can’t *back it up. There are food stamps and food pantries and free school lunch programs.

Now, I have heard of a few cases in which children were starved by parents or foster parents… but the reason they make the news is that it is so *rare. *

No St. Francis my reason for not backing it up is this

I would but my any source I provided would get dismissed for having Liberal bias or being outdated or both.

Happened before here infact.

 

[St_Francis]

No St. Francis my reason for not backing it up is this

Happened before here infact.

I read what you wrote. And there are sources who are so biased that you don’t get a truthful look from them; that’s why there are some conservative sources that I wouldn’t trust, even tho I am more conservative.

OTOH, there are liberal sources which I would consider as a source of news, but there are some which I would not trust. Like, if I only read it in Democratic Underground, then I wouldn’t trust it.

So, maybe you need to consider whom you trust. I really think that a disabled person or elderly person is more likely to die from liberal government-enforced starvation than that a child in this nation dies of starvation due to conservative government policies. And I *can *up that my contention is occurring. I can’t find *any *sources, even unreliable liberal ones, that discuss your contention.

 

[Diamantina]

Terrible situation.

At first I could almost see the pro-life side, considering late-term abortions are horrific.

But after reading more about him, I actually admire him. These abortions were done on fetuses who had no brains or suffered other horrific disorders who would suffer and die soon after birth. One fetus had developed cancer and was already suffering without pain medication in the mother’s womb (I didn’t realize that could happen). While I understand the Catholic perspective that one should never kill, as this is a secular nation, I think these abortions are merciful and entirely appropriate. I cannot condemn him - also some of the women were in serious danger but not enough to get a “health risk” exemption in some states, and needed the abortion to avoid worse harm.

I get the pro-life perspective, but not in this case, except for on purely religious grounds . These weren’t women who woke up one day weeks from birth and went “eh…i’d rather have a baby of a different gender. I’m going to get an abortion!” This violence is never right, but if you were to target someone, it shouldn’t be this guy IMO. His website offered funeral services and things like holding the fetus afterwards - clearly, this wasn’t the act of an evil guy and a careless woman/couple - it was heartbroken couples mourning the loss of a severely disabled fetus that they wish could have survived, and a man helping them. I don’t look at this guy like I do most abortion doctors.

Dear Siamesecat,

Fetuses who will die shortly after birth should be allowed to be born (prematurely if need be), given palliative care, baptized if they are from Christian families and let the rest happen according to what God wills. I realize that the situation of a fetus who is suffering from cancer is horrific. However, because I am a pro-life Catholic, if I were the mother of that fetus, I would have asked my obstetrician to induce early labor and childbirth, give the child palliative care and pain medication, ask my parish priest to baptize the child ASAP and let events rest in the hands of God.

I will say a prayer for the repose of Dr. Tiller’s soul and the consolation of his family, and another prayer for Dr. Tiller’s assassin.

 

[Jimsdun]

This was a terrible blow to the pro-life movement. What was this killer thinking? Dr. Tiller was already on the verge of having his medical license revoked, which would have shut down his practice.

Did anybody watch Sunday Night Live on EWTN last night? Fr. Frank Pavone (Priests for Life) was a guest on the show and this incident was mentioned.

 

[BobCatholic]

The real terrorism will now happen by the left. They’ll demonize and dehumanize anyone with religious beliefs.

FOCA will now pass easily as the left will make political hay out of this. They’ll pull a Westboro Baptist Church and make all the political hay they want, and the donkeys will eat it up.

In addition, the first amendment as we know it will be dead. Anti-abortion rhetoric will be legislated as hate speech. Religious freedom will be gone as anti-abortion groups will be targetted by the government as “terrorists”

DESPITE THE FACT THE PRO LIFE MOVEMENT CONDEMNS THIS IDIOT.

The left will now terrorize the moral majority into submission.

 

[He_Man]

Then you’re not much of a Christian. We can hate the sin but we have to love the sinner, whether it is Pol Pot or Dr. Tiller or Adolf freaking Hitler.

And, frankly, to read to George Tiller’s biography, he is really something. No matter how much we may abhor abortion, he deserves some respect. I think he really thought he was doing the right thing for his patients. After years of threats and demonization and a previous attempt on his life, he continued to provide this legal (remember, legal) medical service to women in need. If he was in it for the money or something, he no doubt would have changed his practice years ago.

Oh please, here we go. Soapbox talks from random internet posters.

I said it was hard to have sympathy, which it is. The same way it is difficult for a person whose daughter was raped to forgive the rapist. If that is easy for you to do, then I am sure the path to Sainthood looks good for you. I didn’t see we weren’t called to. If I’m not much of a Christian, then apparently you can’t read.

 

[He_Man]

Did you miss where I answered this?

What you WILL for a person is either in line with God’s will or is sinful.

Not what you FEEL for a person. It is not sinful to feel no emotion for his family.

I am sorry that his ten grandchildren have been brain washed by his children and by the Tiller family. THAT is what I feel sorry about.

Excellent point. As the Catholic Church likes to point out over and over, feelings are neither right nor wrong.

 

[He_Man]

I entered this thread knowing that, by the time I came to the last page, it would be an uncharitable mess.

You didn’t disappoint.

Welcome

 

[TLM08]

Perhaps we should just consider Dr. Tiller’s death a very, very, very late term abortion.


Give that shooter 90 days in jail for cruelty to animals!

 

[KathleenElsie]

My feelings on this are very mixed. Not due to the fact that he is now dead God has accepted Tillers own decision as to his eternal fate. I am worried that the pols will now make it so that it will be impossible to protect babies in their mothers wombs. The next part of society that will not be able to walk freely in society will be US the pro-life citizens.

The possible back lash of this is the loss of freedoms to persons of FAITH.

I pray that all who promote violence or refuse to see the violence in our society will see that murder is no in God’s plan for any of us, from conception to NATURAL death.

 

[a_cermak]

I don’t know that your garden variety prolifer who prays outside a clinic is going to be harassed. They may not be as tolerated by passers-by as they’ve been in years past, but it will pass.

The best plan I’ve heard so far is to allow in 2 foreign abortion docs for every one killed by an extremist so that it removes the incentive to kill abortion docs. If the intent of the action is to both kill a doc who performs abortion and also to convince other docs not to perform abortions, then this plan would render that intent moot.

 

[MrS]

I don’t know that your garden variety prolifer who prays outside a clinic is going to be harassed. They may not be as tolerated by passers-by as they’ve been in years past, but it will pass.

The best plan I’ve heard so far is to allow in 2 foreign abortion docs for every one killed by an extremist so that it removes the incentive to kill abortion docs. If the intent of the action is to both kill a doc who performs abortion and also to convince other docs not to perform abortions, then this plan would render that intent moot.

yeah, whatever credibility you might have had for a point of view… just got aborted.

The best “plan”, huh. There must be a place in the administration for you.



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[Robert_Bay]

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[Indyann]

I found this article about the history of the man who shot George Tiller. Seems as though he has been a radical for quite some time.

mcclatchydc.com/251/story/69151.html

 

[Ridgerunner]

I don’t know that your garden variety prolifer who prays outside a clinic is going to be harassed. They may not be as tolerated by passers-by as they’ve been in years past, but it will pass.

The best plan I’ve heard so far is to allow in 2 foreign abortion docs for every one killed by an extremist so that it removes the incentive to kill abortion docs. If the intent of the action is to both kill a doc who performs abortion and also to convince other docs not to perform abortions, then this plan would render that intent moot.

One assumes there are (dare I say “competent”?) abortionists aplenty in the rest of the world, willing to do partial-birth abortions. That might not be the case at all, since the act is “undoctorly” in the extreme. Mengle’s notoriety was not due to any expertise on his part, but due to the fact that he was so unusual in being willing to perform inhuman acts.

 

[Robert_Bay]

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[DawnInTexas]

Randall Terry on the George Tiller assasination:

youtube.com/watch?v=08C9O_4BbcA

My comment:
Murder is murder, no matter who you are.

For us all, the 5th Commandment: Thou Shalt Not Kill.

He has no special protection because of who he is, or what his actions are/were. If I am murdered today, will there be (such) an outcry?

May God have Mercy on the Soul of George Tiller. And, may George have accepted God’s Mercy.

Praying for a change of heart for all with a hardened heart when it comes to life.

God’s Law=5th Commandment: Thou Shalt Not Kill.

 

[Tosk]

This is such sad news. This is a real tragedy for the pro-life movement for several reasons.

1. This will only serve to turn more people away from the pro-life movement
2. It will only serve to draw more medical students into becoming abortion doctors

Scott Roeder basically just made Mr. Tiller into a secular martyr, which is a fate that he really didn’t deserve.

 

[DawnInTexas]

Perhaps we should just consider Dr. Tiller’s death a very, very, very late term abortion.


Give that shooter 90 days in jail for cruelty to animals!

Father Corapi stated on EWTN Saturday night that abortion is a holocaust (48 million-plus) where the heads are ripped off.

George Tiller’s head was not ripped off.

He will probably have a funeral at his Lutheran church,
like he offered to those who aborted their children at his clinic.
He would even have the baby baptized, to make the mother feel better…take pictures for their photo album…

Macabre!!!