Abortion Doctor Geroge Tiller Murdered this morning

[Ahimsa]

From beliefnet.

The murder of abortion provider George Tiller should force a re-assessment of the Department of Homeland Security’s maligned report on “right wing extremism.”

I was thoroughly dumbfounded at the conservative reaction to that report in April. If you read the report, it was quite clearly aimed a serious, violent, insane extremists.

Yet mainstream conservatives took great offense, accusing the Obama administration of chillingly targeting the free-speech of conscientious anti-abortion citizens, veterans and conservatives writ large…

Conservatives should have said, “Here! Here! We applaud the efforts to clamp down on terrorism, crime and extremists.” After all, most conservatives have nothing to do with, and deplore, violent extremists. Instead, by saying the report was an attack on conservatism in general, the conservatives – not the government – blurred the lines between the violent extremes and the conservative mainstream.

Now, it turns out that the man in custody on suspicion of assassinating Tiller, Scott Roeder, had been arrested back in 1996 on criminal use of explosives and had connections to an extremist anti-government militia group, the Freeman…

 

[Bennie_P]

The pro-Aborts will try to paint a evil picture on the whole pro-life movement so we need to point out that no one but the shooter is envolved or responsible for this act.

Point the finger at Roeder until/unless there is evidence others are involved

For most of Sunday Roeder was technically only a “person of interest” but by late Sunday night he was booked into the Sedgwick County Jail for shooting Dr. Tiller. (Roeder is still presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.)
Some on the left in Kansas have been quick to malign a number of good prolife, Christian activists and implicate them in Tiller’s death when there is no evidence of involvement by others. The left is shamefully using political rhetoric to exploit this tragedy and attack many good people who support the Culture of Life. These good people would never have been involved in such an abominable action like witnessed today, yet the left wrongfully attacks them?
Are those attending K-State also to be implicated now since Roeder had a K-State tag on the front of his car when he was arrested?
Or what about the sticker Roeder had on his back window that said “The Emporer has no brains”? Whom will the left attack for that?

And we need to point out the who this (accussed) man really was …

kansasmeadowlark.com/2009/06/01/person-of-interest-in-tillers-murder/

What is known about Scott P. Roeder, the person of interest in shooting Dr. Tiller, who was taken into custody this afternoon near Gardner, KS?
A Kansas City Star article from May 3, 1996 tells how Scott Roeder was first arrested because of someone’s memory and anxiety over the Oklahoma City bombing on 4/19/1995. Roeder’s first arrest was on 4/16/1996, just days before the first anniversary:
Motorist’s report led to arrest Police also were tense around anniversary of fatal blast, deputy says,

The Kansas City Star - Friday, May 3, 1996
Author: SCOTT CANON , Mid-America Correspondent
TOPEKA - Anxiety over the anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing, plus a tip to police, led to the arrest of a man who is suspected of having ties to a Montana “freemen”group, a Shawnee County sheriff’s deputy testified Thursday.
A preliminary hearing was held Thursday for Scott Roeder , 38, of Silver Lake, Kan., who is charged with criminal use of explosives.
Sgt. Larry Crady of the Shawnee County Sheriff’s Department testified that on April 16 a motorist flagged him down and reported seeing a car with a license** plate that read: “Sovereign Private Property Immunity Declared at Law Non-Commercial American. ” **Crady said he saw the car, staked it out and eventually pulled it over.
***“We were in a heightened state of awareness in light of the anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing,” Crady testified. ***
***Roeder was arrested on charges of driving without registration, insurance or a valid driver’s license. ***
***Police impounded the car and searched it. They found a blasting cap; two six-volt lantern batteries, one wired with a clothespin and a cigarette wrapper; and a 1-pound can of black gunpowder. **Explosives experts testified these were the makings of a bomb. *****
***Later that day, officers searched Roeder ’s home and found two pages of instructions titled **“Underground Cookbook: Clothes Pin Time-Delayed Switch. ” *****James Carlson, an agent for the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, testified that the instructions could produce a device like the one in Roeder ’s trunk.
***Roeder ’s attorney argued Thursday that the evidence was improperly obtained because authorities never should have impounded the vehicle in the first place. ***
***“They just wanted to search his car,” said public defender Ronald Evans. “But they had no right. ” Roeder is being held on $60,000 bond. He did not testify at the hearing and declined to answer questions afterward. ***
Shawnee County Sheriff Dave Meneley has said Roeder is listed by the FBI as a member of the freemen group that has been locked for more than a month in a standoff with federal authorities near Jordan, Mont

This man is not the typical “pro-lifer”. And we have to educate all the people that fact. He acted on his own against the will of the majority.

**Let us pray for the Tiller family and continue to work that much harder within the areana of legal means to end abortion. **

We have gained ground in many areas through the courts and legislation, let us not fear the possible set back in our cause, nor allow others to despair. Despair and fear will cause a few to act out in that fear with means which are destructive. The accused shooter acted out in fear and as Fr. Pavone noted was a coward.

priestsforlife.org/nonviolence/

http://www.priestsforlife.org/images/pavonekingghandi.jpg

**Remember we know who wins, (myself I read the final chapter of the book, suggest you all do too), What is at state here is leading souls to God, mainly our own and those that are near us, not deciding which ones to send to hell. **

 

[DawnInTexas]

This is such sad news. This is a real tragedy for the pro-life movement for several reasons.

1. This will only serve to turn more people away from the pro-life movement
2. It will only serve to draw more medical students into becoming abortion doctors

Scott Roeder basically just made Mr. Tiller into a secular martyr, which is a fate that he really didn’t deserve.

God “allowed” it. Was there ever an attempt on George before? Any “close calls?”

I believe God allowed this in order to bring it front-and-center in the Spiritual Battle going on for souls.

Gird your loins with the Truth, (Eph. 6:14) pro-lifers!
Onward!
“Remember…we win!” Father John Corapi

+Dominus Vobiscum.

 

[MariaTheresa]

Maybe all of you are better people than I am but I cannot help feeling glad that this happened. The only poetic justice would have been if this man had been dismembered as he has done to thousands of children. Don’t we put killers to death by electrocution or injection in this country? When the state refuses to do it’s job and people are being literally shredded to death every day who says we are not allowed to use force to protect them? I do not understand this argument. How is this different from a just war theory? Even the Church supports that. If I am about to be murdered I don’t want someone to hold a rally, I want someone to stop the killer by whatever means necessary.

 

[DawnInTexas]

Maybe all of you are better people than I am but I cannot help feeling glad that this happened. The only poetic justice would have been if this man had been dismembered as he has done to thousands of children. Don’t we put killers to death by electrocution or injection in this country? When the state refuses to do it’s job and people are being literally shredded to death every day who says we are not allowed to use force to protect them? I do not understand this argument. How is this different from a just war theory? Even the Church supports that. If I am about to be murdered I don’t want someone to hold a rally, I want someone to stop the killer by whatever means necessary.

Love the sinner,
despise the sin.

 

[SourGrape]

Dr. Tiller was one of the leading murderers of the unborn, even going so far as to perform the tragic rarity of late-term abortions in this country. He was a leader of the genocide of unborn babies. Is the world a better place without him performing these murders? I believe so. Our laws currently protect these murderers and many even praise them for their work. As so one earlier in this thread said, “it’s ironic that a muderer was murdered.” I pray he accepted the Mercy of our Lord at the moment of his death. I cannot say, though, that I am sorry he was killed.

 

[SourGrape]

“Assuming that the guilty party’s identity and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor.” From the Catechsim 2267.

We all know Dr. Tiller killed countless unborn babies. Our government will not accuse him since its laws currently support and protect these killings.

 

[rlg94086]

You make that allegation, that children are dying of starvation in the USA because of conservative policies, and then refuse to back it up? You *can’t *back it up. There are food stamps and food pantries and free school lunch programs.

Now, I have heard of a few cases in which children were starved by parents or foster parents… but the reason they make the news is that it is so *rare. *

Exactly. A pathetic comparison…and then no back-up.

 

[tm30]

This is terrible, terrible news.

There is no relativism in murder. Murder is murder.

Satan at work. May God have mercy on the soul of the man who committed this heinous crime.

 

[tm30]

Dr. Tiller was one of the leading murderers of the unborn, even going so far as to perform the tragic rarity of late-term abortions in this country. He was a leader of the genocide of unborn babies. Is the world a better place without him performing these murders? I believe so. Our laws currently protect these murderers and many even praise them for their work. As so one earlier in this thread said, “it’s ironic that a muderer was murdered.” I pray he accepted the Mercy of our Lord at the moment of his death. I cannot say, though, that I am sorry he was killed.

That whole “live by the sword, die by the sword” thing goes both ways. Heed the words of Christ, not the common man’s idea of justice.

 

[DawnInTexas]

Check it out:

Spelling it Out for the Church in America
from: Parables-Bringing Hidden things to Light

parablesblog.blogspot.com/2009/05/spelling-it-out-for-church-in-america.html

Several people notified me of a remarkable item in the news that contains a somber message for the church in America.

usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-05-28-spelling-bee-thursday_N.htm

Kavya Shivashankar, a 13 year old girl from Olathe, Kansas won the Scripps National Spelling Bee by correctly spelling the final word given to her, which was “Laodicean.” This too, is Christ’s final word for the church in America.

The word “Laodicean” has come to mean someone who is lukewarm and lacking in commitment…

 

[SourGrape]

I honestly don’t understand why we are “supposed” to condemn the killing of Dr. Tiller. The Church does not condemn the death penalty. The Church even has “Just War Doctine.” Days of old, the Church led the Crusades, most rightfully, in my opinion.Why then is the killing of this man who is resonsible for the **torturous killings **of hundreds and hundreds of **babies **so wrong? I cannot accept the reply: murder is murder. Yes, this man who shot Dr. Tiller took the law into his own hands, but the laws protecting Dr. Tiller are not just.

 

[TracyJ]

I don’t think it will do as much harm to the pro-life movement as many people have said. God allows, NOT CREATES, evil so a greater good can come out of it. If this action scares other abortion loving doctors out of business saving thousands? Or it might ignite the pro-life movement into a frenzy? Abortion is losing popularity in this country anyway.

I disagree profoundly with you.
This will not scare doctors, it will make them stronger in their convictions.

I am very sad that Dr Tiller lost his life.

Abortions decreased under Clinton, I have no idea why.

 

[DawnInTexas]

I honestly don’t understand why we are “supposed” to condemn the killing of Dr. Tiller. The Church does not condemn the death penalty. The Church even has “Just War Doctine.” Days of old, the Church led the Crusades, most rightfully, in my opinion.Why then is the killing of this man who is resonsible for the **torturous killings **of hundreds and hundreds of **babies **so wrong? I cannot accept the reply: murder is murder. Yes, this man who shot Dr. Tiller took the law into his own hands, but the laws protecting Dr. Tiller are not just.

God’s Law.
Man’s law.
When the 2 are not the same, God’s Law takes precedence. Although, those who are secular either do not believe this, or they have changed this to fit their own “way.”
George Tiller was not condemned to death by a court of law. Nor the Church, as in a crusade.

God’s Law. Man’s law. The two are not equal.

When it comes to abortion, God’s Law (5th Commandment) does not allow it.
Man’s law does.

We who believe in God, and His Laws believe that abortion is murder. We also believe that shooting George Tiller was murder.

One life is not worth more than another.
Two wrongs don’t make a right.

+Peace Be With You.
-Dawn

 

[tm30]

Maybe all of you are better people than I am but I cannot help feeling glad that this happened. The only poetic justice would have been if this man had been dismembered as he has done to thousands of children. Don’t we put killers to death by electrocution or injection in this country? When the state refuses to do it’s job and people are being literally shredded to death every day who says we are not allowed to use force to protect them? I do not understand this argument. How is this different from a just war theory? Even the Church supports that. If I am about to be murdered I don’t want someone to hold a rally, I want someone to stop the killer by whatever means necessary.

Murder is an intrinsic evil. It can never be justified. The next logical application of your comment is for pro-choice activists to start picking off pro-life demonstrators in pre-emptive “self defense”.

 

[TracyJ]

The real terrorism will now happen by the left. They’ll demonize and dehumanize anyone with religious beliefs.

FOCA will now pass easily as the left will make political hay out of this. They’ll pull a Westboro Baptist Church and make all the political hay they want, and the donkeys will eat it up.

In addition, the first amendment as we know it will be dead. Anti-abortion rhetoric will be legislated as hate speech. Religious freedom will be gone as anti-abortion groups will be targetted by the government as “terrorists”

DESPITE THE FACT THE PRO LIFE MOVEMENT CONDEMNS THIS IDIOT.

The left will now terrorize the moral majority into submission.

Sometimes anti choice speech is hate speech and sometimes it’s reasoned and
gentle.
No one has condoned this murder…a few here think that it okay because an abortionist
was the victim, but most are saddened.

 

[TracyJ]

Murder is an intrinsic evil. It can never be justified. The next logical application of your comment is for pro-choice activists to start picking off pro-life demonstrators in pre-emptive “self defense”.

I agree with you.
I’m not better than anyone but this has upset me very much.
This action appears to be the act of a person who is seriously unbalanced. If anything
the idea that he was allowed to have a gun is to blame.

 

[tm30]

I honestly don’t understand why we are “supposed” to condemn the killing of Dr. Tiller. The Church does not condemn the death penalty. The Church even has “Just War Doctine.” Days of old, the Church led the Crusades, most rightfully, in my opinion.Why then is the killing of this man who is resonsible for the **torturous killings **of hundreds and hundreds of **babies **so wrong? I cannot accept the reply: murder is murder. Yes, this man who shot Dr. Tiller took the law into his own hands, but the laws protecting Dr. Tiller are not just.

By this argument, pro-abortion activists have the justification of killing pro-life demonstrators in self defense, too. I mean, if it’s okay to take the law in your own hands, then you can’t deny that we will reap the bitter harvest, as well - and it only galvanizes the pro-abortion movement.

Again, “live by the sword, die by the sword” - what does it mean to you?

 

[Dtmccameron]

I pray for the doctor and his murderer.

What kind of world are we living in anyway?

One where we allow the slaughter of millions of babies and fund the butchering of countless others in countries around the world?

 

[tm30]

Sometimes anti choice speech is hate speech and sometimes it’s reasoned and
gentle.
No one has condoned this murder…a few here think that it okay because an abortionist
was the victim, but most are saddened.

It’s not “anti-choice” - it’s “pro life”. Another reason to shake my head at those who somehow excuse this event. Either someone is pro-life or they aren’t. We can’t be pro- “some lives”, and okay with “death” for others.