Abortion Doctor Geroge Tiller Murdered this morning

[Stephenite]

We now need to dedicate ourselves to charity and mercy to the hundreds of children that will now live a life with a family that wishes Tiller was available.
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[wabrams]

Excuse me, who invited you to start spouting off your political views on fiscal policy?

YOU did, when you posted YOUR political views about fiscal policy in post #603. If you don’t want people to respond to your post, then do not post in a public forum.

I voted for the Republican candidate last election.

Well good for you; I did as well.

You don’t know what I think about politics or economic policy. Who cares what I think, or what you think.

I never said I did.

This thread is about abortion.

I know that and you know that; so the real question is why did YOU bring up political fiscal policies?

Why is it that some people have such a difficult time reading posts and coming away with the actual **point? **

I mean, why is it sooooo hard to grasp the salient message instead of going off on tangents about unrelated details.

You tell me, you were the one who originally started this side topic.

If you are under the impression that there is a 1:1 correlation between the Republican party and the teachings of the Church, you are deluded and in need of education. The Repbulican party does not represent “all that is good and holy”, but the Church SHOULD stand up for all that is good and right and holy and in line with Biblical principles even if, GOD FORBID, it is not the Repubulican position.

If people cannot see that- then it’s time to just walk away and go home. I don’t worship the church of the Republican party, and neither should you.

To use your own words: “You don’t know what I think about politics or economic policy.”

 

[jimpres]

Tiller was not the only abortionist, there are others

 

[Gabriella_San_S]

Well as long as you can never know for sure if it is divine retribution, why not just attribute the murder to a nut case.
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If that’s your feeling about it, that a “nut case” did this, then perhaps you’d be inclined to offer your prayers and sacrifices for his soul.
Just as those that have expressed** deep sorrow and compassion** for Tiller and his family, maybe the same could be** extended to Mr. Roeder**-surely they both need it.

God will judge well their deeds and all of ours! But He will also bring good out of this tragedy because He is constantly “making all things work together for the** good **for those who love Him…”.

:grouphug:

 

[Gabriella_San_S]

First off, tax breaks on corporate profits allows corporations to grow and hire more people, since instead of paying uncle sam money they reinvest it in their own company. Second, Medicaid wouldn’t be so bad on the funding end if it wasn’t for government mismanagement on both sides of the aisle, so don’t pin it on one party.

Hi friends!:compcoff: This is all very interesting, but maybe a topic for another thread? Maybe you and** angelsunaware** could slip out quietly…

 

[Angels_Unaware]

YOU did, when you posted YOUR political views about fiscal policy in post #603. If you don’t want people to respond to your post, then do not post in a public forum.

This just amazes me. I did NOT give my political views. I gave a HYPOTHETICAL political objection to a pro-life candidate’s economic policy in order to illustrate why the Church should not be associated with the Republican party in a 1:1 manner.

Even if I had given my own political views, it’s not part of the discussion, off-topic, and none of your business.

The point was that pro-life politicians should not be forced to be part of one political package, because morallity, truth, and righteousness are not the equivalent to a the Republican party platform.

Yet some people are so lacking in intelligence they think in those black and white terms, and are so confused they think that that Republican policy is “good” in every way, and find no distinction between the importance of abortion and the moral significance of abortion and academic debates about economic policies.

 

[wabrams]

Yet some people are so lacking in intelligence they think in those black and white terms, and are so confused they think that that Republican policy is “good” in every way, and find no distinction between the importance of abortion and the moral significance of abortion and academic debates about economic policies.

I completely agree with you. Personally, I will always vote for the consistently pro-life candidate regardless of their economic policies.

 

[Gabriella_San_S]

Admittedly, this is a tricky conversation to have because it can quickly spiral into supporting vigilantes,** which no Catholic does.**

I agree that evil rips itself apart; Indeed, He certainly can direct events against evil.

Christ who said that anyone who harms the little ones are especially awaiting punishment - .

Precisely.Can any one of us deny that we can bring evil upon ourselves through our free** choice** to sin? Be it in this life or the next…we will all receive our just reward.

 

[Templar1129]

Geroge brutally murdered God knows how many babies, in their mother’s’ womb, even in late term.

He did it knowing precisely what he was doing.

He spit upon the Hippocratic oath and every form of decency.

He did it for a profit.

He was a murdering, coward butcher.

As far as I’m concerned-good riddance.

At least there’s one less genocidal murderer.

Lowlifes like Obama will use any excuse to throw dirt on the pro-life side. Typical of his ilk, he will violate every form of decency to the point of someone rising up against it, and then use that to point fingers. Obama’s “outrage” is as hypocritical as it gets. Yes, we must try to do things peacefully, and “vigilantism” should not be something we do, but I consider the killing of Geroge to be the much much lesser of two evils, if that act can even be called evil in this case.

Killing is always a sad thing. Taking a life, any life, is a terrible thing. But in this case, it would be far worse for Geroge to have stayed alive to butcher God knows how many more babies. We can talk about “law and order” and pat ourselves on the back for following it. But what good is “law and order” when those implementing it are evil?

As I said, GOOD RIDDANCE! I have no sympathy for that monster.

 

[cathgal]

2…… His life was cut sort eliminating his chance to repent before he faced God.

You mean eliminating his chance to reach the 99,999 mark. God is merciful that He doesn’t let him reach the lowest level of hell.

[Be ready as I come like a thief in the night]
I also have to feel sorry for the murderer why did he do this?
What caused him to do this? :ehh:
Was he sane at the time? npatrol:
I don’t know but as it stands he crossed the line he committed murder [mortal sin] he possibly would have stopped the murder of an innocent sweet child that was going to be slaughtered the next working day,

Why waste time with a small fish when he can get a big fish.

 

[KingTheoden]

For me, I take the fact that the hard left defends 911 justification as fair-minded, “intellectual inquiry” to be a sign that we shouldn’t be doing it.

Of course Tiller isn’t a saint, but that doesn’t mean that his killing was justified. Those who think it is God’s work obviously don’t understand that it is more than likely Satan’s influence. He wants nothing more than to further marginalize the Pro-Life movement and Christians, in general. I wouldn’t be surprised if the evil one is smiling every time he reads a post discussing the justification for Tiller’s murder. The more that death can be celebrated the more he feels he is winning.

He won’t, of course…oh wait…here’s some “intellectual inquiry” for you. If Satan succeeds in fomenting hatred and bloodlust among the Pro-Life community, it will help hasten the “end times.” Is that what y’all are trying to accomplish?

I am sorry if my post was not worded properly and was open to misinterpretation.

Whether or not colleges should allow professors to suggest that the Twin Tower bombings were justified is not a question I am addressing. Clearly, as Catholics, we condemn attacking civilians (esp. terrorism).

But, others do not and they are celebrated as academics. Personally, I do not believe in a law disallowing this, though I do hope that such classrooms would be open to all opinions, which they often are not.

And that is precisely my point. The hard left often ridicules God and even makes it a crime to bring Him into school. I am just illustrating that one cannot say the intentional murder of civilians in a terrorist operation is okay **but **let he be anathema who dare wonder if the murder of an abortionist (a murder roundly condemned by all posters, Catholics, Catholic leaders, etc.) could have been directed by God.

Just to be sure we are all on the same page: As Catholics, we cannot support assassinations or vigilante justice. They simply go against Christ’s life of submitting to lawful authority. So, none of us are saying ‘good job!’ to the accused killer.

What we are saying is that perspective has to be used. Tiller proudly killed over 60 000 little ones. Remember what Christ said about harm to children and a milstone? Tiller was a brute murderer. We do pray for everyone.

But I ask those Catholics (not on this forum necessarily, I mean those in the media, academia, etc. who have been notable) who are hyperventilating in an effort to sing songs of sorrow for Tiller, How many prayers did you pray for each of the babies killed by Tiller? How many prayers have gone for the soul of Adolph Hitler?

Special intentions have to end somewhere or else we would never get any work done or ever get to sleep. Bart Brewer is ahead, way ahead, of Tiller (or Hitler) in my line for special intentions.

I agree with recent posters: we should prayerfully join together that by the grace of God, we will end abortion and that we will not see any more vigilante justice.

 

[cathgal]

And you know this because you talked to Tiller? Did you talk to the church and recieve this information? Roe of v Wade turned away from abortion and to the Lord. What makes you believe the Lord is fresh out of miracles? I’m not feeling charity or much compassion here, only more anger because Tiller’s death will be used to lump everyone into his world including anyone pro-life, is that it?

God does not allow one to kill another, like the gun, they don’t get up by themselves and kill people…People kill people. This is where responsibility should meet the road. The happy harry feelings of God won’t let anyone die or live is rubbish. The lord gave us all free will and a brain to use. We are all responsible one way or another. Everyone that posted his name, address phone number pictures, O’reilly putting him in the media, everyone that wished him death, or ill will, are responsible. The shooter as well as the rest of us enjoyed the retoric, the only difference is the shooter acted on it and murdered a human being. If anyone wants to go with the eye for an eye routine, just be ready for the response. So what I am hearing is, some people can’t wait for another, and maybe to a church near you, because that is what is coming. It needs to stop now. My way or the highway is not going to work today because when you push people today, they push back.

You will only find violence when you sew the seeds of anger.

By giving free will to creatures like us, is not God allowing whatever actions taken by us ???

Free will - a person choose to do whatever s/he wants

A gunman **choose **to shoot Tiller. He pulls the trigger. God can stretch out His hand to block the bullet from hitting Tiller. Think God has the power to do that ??
But He didn’t. He **lets /allows **the bullet hits Tiller. Another word, God is just watching the action taking place between the gunman and the abortionist.

So does the example fit the bill of God having the power to let a person die or live, and not necessarily that He must be in the gunman’s shoe to make it happens.

 

[Robert_Bay]

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[sharoncookie]

I don’t understand how the doctor could go to church and pray to GOD while killing HIS little one’s. What about the church that welcomed him in when he was doing such evil. Why would anyone want to go to church with this man and wife.

 

[cathgal]

Not mourning Dr. Tiller’s death is one thing (see my earlier post regarding sorrow) ,but there are a lot of posts that basically say: ‘he deserved it’ or ‘it is justified as self-defense.’ These posters almost always include the additional disclaimer - ‘not that I condone the action’ of his murder/assassination.

But he does deserve death…just not in this manner.

 

[mdgspencer]

The post below explains why it is better to belong to a Church against abortion (and particularly to Catholicism).

I don’t understand how the doctor could go to church and pray to GOD while killing HIS little one’s. What about the church that welcomed him in when he was doing such evil. Why would anyone want to go to church with this man and wife.

 

[Gabriella_San_S]

We do pray for everyone.

But I ask those Catholics (not on this forum necessarily, I mean those in the media, academia, etc. who have been notable) who are** hyperventilating in an effort to sing songs of sorrow for Tiller,** How many prayers did you pray for each of the babies killed by Tiller? How many prayers have gone for the soul of Adolph Hitler?
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Brilliant.

 

[pismopal]

Tiller was not the only abortionist, there are others

Yes…many but not many… perhaps no others, who regularly perform LATE term abortions. That is killing fully formed children who could easilly live outside their mother’s womb. All these acts are heinous but this is beyond the pale…or the stomachs of most abortionists.

 

[Melvin]

You are asking a very fair question, and raising an excellent point.
You,** wowbagger**, myself and others on this thread are merely exploring the complexities of this unusual incident, which is fraught with moral implications on every side. Why shouldn’t we" break it down" in light of biblical references; historical comparisons; the magisterial teaching and canonical law of the Church; philosophical and psychological and theological reasoning?
It should be stated once again, that not all of us contend that this is a clear-cut case. To bring up the idea of Divine retribution is worth pondering.

Amen, especially since our society is becoming increasingly unstable. We may all have to make a lot more very serious choices in the coming years…It would be well for all of us to understand the complexities and insure that we understand the mind of the Church on all of these things…

 

[Melvin]

Look what some are saying in the Mainline churches:

The most outrageous support for Tiller came from the Very Rev. Katherine Ragsdale, president of Episcopal Divinity School in Cambridge Mass. Who said, “This is about the loss of a man who was a saint and a martyr. He was a prayerful man who put his life at risk to protect others and died for it. People are in shock, outrage and mourning.”

Ms. Ragsdale said she once visited Dr. Tiller’s clinic in Wichita to defend it from anti-abortion protests. She recently called abortion “a blessing.”

She described Dr. George Tiller, a true hero for women across the country. "Since the 1970s, Dr. Tiller has provided critical abortion and reproductive health care at great personal risk. In doing so, he has saved the lives and futures of countless women and girls across the country. His murder is a tragedy for his family, friends, and colleagues. It is also a tragedy for the women who need his care and for the entire community of health care providers and advocates, and for all of us who believe in a woman’s right to dignity and self-determination. Please join us in honoring this great man who truly lived by his motto to “Trust Women.”

This is the church, BTW, that recently welcomed Fr. Oprah into with open arms. How sad.

“Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil.”