Abortion Doctor Geroge Tiller Murdered this morning

[Templar1129]

Still trying real hard to negotiate murder? Tiller was not a serial killer in the eyes of the law. Don’t like the law, change it. The shooter did not kill Tiller in defense of anyone. He walked quietly behind him and murdered him. This is what a freaked out, extreme P-off person in life does when they are at wits end and can’t stand not getting their way.

If you don’t like abortions, how about tapping the pregnant females on the shoulders and speak to them. Doctors cannot perform abortions without a female looking to terminate. Imagine that for a moment. Women that become pregnant that will not even consider terminating a pregnancy…sounds right to me. This is where ground zero is. The doctors who perform abortions are the symptom and to some extent a scapegoat. It is much easier to vent your anger and rage, in this case murder a male than a female.

If abortion was outlawed in this country, this sadly will not stop the practice. Poor women will resort to the hanger method and the affluent will “take trips” out of the country for a short time. Need to fight the war of conscience. Just an observation…

That poster was not trying to negotiate murder at all.
As far as “the law”-so if tomorrow the law declares that raping certain individuals, or killing people with certain defects is not murder, then it’s no longer murder? Sounds like relativism. So does this mean that when the Nazi’s, for example, passed the anti-Semitic laws, it suddenly and magically changed throwing Jews into ovens ‘not murder’?

Many women don’t want to listen to reason, some are scared, some are brainwashed, some don’t care about anything other than themselves-regardless, how about the children, the persons, who are being led to a brutal slaughter while lying comfortably and innocently in their mother’s womb? What about their rights when a woman you “tap on the shoulder” tells you its her body and to bug off, then maybe charges you with battery for touching her?

Sure, changing the law is the best thing, and people are trying.

I wonder how different you consider the shooter’s act as that of, let’s say, Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg’s attempt on Hitler.

OK, so some women will find a way to get an abortion done, just like murderers and rapists and other criminals find a way to still commit their crimes. Does this mean we legalize the crime?

 

[greg_b]

I seriously hope the people here complaining about abortion are at least like me and being consistent and equally angry at our government killing people and children overseas, otherwise they are nothing but crocodile tears.

 

[jimpres]

It is genocide when a particular group is being murdered. As are the unborn children.
and it will continue.

 

[pete_29]

I seriously hope the people here complaining about abortion are at least like me and being consistent and equally angry at our government killing people and children overseas, otherwise they are nothing but crocodile tears.

I want you to name one child this country has intentionally killed overseas.

 

[E.E.N.S]

I seriously hope the people here complaining about abortion are at least like me and being consistent and equally angry at our government killing people and children overseas, otherwise they are nothing but crocodile tears.

I am angry about that as well, but I cannot say that I am EQUALLY as angry in degree because one far surpasses the other in several ways:

More children are murdered by abortion each year in our country alone, than all the people (innocent or not) that our die across seas because of our Government combined. Far more.

Abortion is the most perverse form of murder; it is the Mother giving her child over to be butchered by doctors (who are supposed to save lives, not destroy them).

Abortion is the direct result of the will to terminate the baby within the womb, whereas innocents that die because of the war is (usually) an accident or “collateral damage”.

I could go on, but none of this is new to anyone who has spent any length of time on these fora…the Nazi Holocaust pales in comparison to the Abortion Holocaust.

 

[greg_b]

I want you to name one child this country has intentionally killed overseas.

I’ll give you 500,000:

On May 12, 1996, Lesley Stahl asked Madeline Albright “We have heard that half a million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?” and Albright replied “we think the price is worth it”

 

[greg_b]

I am angry about that as well, but I cannot say that I am EQUALLY as angry in degree because one far surpasses the other in several ways:

More children are murdered by abortion each year in our country alone, than all the people (innocent or not) that our die across seas because of our Government combined. Far more.

Abortion is the most perverse form of murder; it is the Mother giving her child over to be butchered by doctors (who are supposed to save lives, not destroy them).

Abortion is the direct result of the will to terminate the baby within the womb, whereas innocents that die because of the war is (usually) an accident or “collateral damage”.

I could go on, but none of this is new to anyone who has spent any length of time on these fora…the Nazi Holocaust pales in comparison to the Abortion Holocaust.

That is a stupid argument. Since a soul is eternal, killing 1 man versus killing 100 men is equally abhorrent. Christianity isn’t a numbers game, you don’t say your murder is better than the other because less people were killed. And most the time “collateral damage” is just the governments way of saying “yeah we killed them and we could have avoided it altogether but were just gonna invent this term called collateral damage so you guys can sleep easy at night”

 

[E.E.N.S]

That is a stupid argument. Since a soul is eternal, killing 1 man versus killing 100 men is equally abhorrent. Christianity isn’t a numbers game, you don’t say your murder is better than the other because less people were killed. And most the time “collateral damage” is just the governments way of saying “yeah we killed them and we could have avoided it altogether but were just gonna invent this term called collateral damage so you guys can sleep easy at night”

It’s only a stupid argument for those who don’t want to accept the truth. The church does not excommunicate people for murder, but she does for those who have had an abortion. In fact, the Church recognizes how terrible abortion is that she goes so far to say that a person who so much helps a person to have an abortion by driving them to the clinic is also excommunicated latae sententiae.

Also, if 1=1 or 1=1,000, like you say, then why is it permissible to kill a life to save a life?

Your theory holds no water. You stand not with the Church, nor reason.

 

[mstone]

Also, if 1=1 or 1=1,000, like you say, then why is it permissible to kill a life to save a life?

Forgive me if I’m mistaken, but I don’t recall this being permissible under the Catholic Church. Could you please post a link or provide some reference as to where this is allowed?

 

[aicirt]

Still trying real hard to negotiate murder? Tiller was not a serial killer in the eyes of the law. Don’t like the law, change it. The shooter did not kill Tiller in defense of anyone. He walked quietly behind him and murdered him. This is what a freaked out, extreme P-off person in life does when they are at wits end and can’t stand not getting their way.

If you don’t like abortions, how about tapping the pregnant females on the shoulders and speak to them. Doctors cannot perform abortions without a female looking to terminate. Imagine that for a moment. Women that become pregnant that will not even consider terminating a pregnancy…sounds right to me. This is where ground zero is. The doctors who perform abortions are the symptom and to some extent a scapegoat. It is much easier to vent your anger and rage, in this case murder a male than a female.

If abortion was outlawed in this country, this sadly will not stop the practice. Poor women will resort to the hanger method and the affluent will “take trips” out of the country for a short time. Need to fight the war of conscience. Just an observation…

And the conscience of the men who are the fathers should be tweaked too. Would be appreciated if young men were told they’re responsible for where they plant their seed. Too many are having a great time then leave with a child alone with a single mom, who in some instances isn’t the most stable person. THINK. Also think how you’ll feel if that girl aborts your child. KNOW who you are with.

 

[greg_b]

Forgive me if I’m mistaken, but I don’t recall this being permissible under the Catholic Church. Could you please post a link or provide some reference as to where this is allowed?

He is totally clueless. We can only kill in self-defense. Also:

"The grounds for excommunication from the Roman Catholic Church are these:

1. Apostasy.
2. Heresy.
3. Desecration of the consecrated host.
4. Using force against the body of the Pontiff.
5. Giving absolution to a person complicit in violation of the 6th commandment (murder) except at the time of death.
6. Impersonation of a priest.
7. Consecration of a bishop without Papal mandate.
8. Breaking the seal of confession.
9. Procuring an abortion.
10. Complicity in any of the above."

So murder DOES get you excommunicated

Clearly, EENS stands not with the Church, nor reason.

 

[E.E.N.S]

Forgive me if I’m mistaken, but I don’t recall this being permissible under the Catholic Church. Could you please post a link or provide some reference as to where this is allowed?

I thought every Catholic knew the Church teaches that if we kill in self-defense or in defense of another it is permissible:

**2264 **Love toward oneself remains a fundamental principle of morality. Therefore it is legitimate to insist on respect for one’s own right to life. Someone who defends his life is not guilty of murder even if he is forced to deal his aggressor a lethal blow:
If a man in self-defense uses more than necessary violence, it will be unlawful: whereas if he repels force with moderation, his defense will be lawful. . . . Nor is it necessary for salvation that a man omit the act of moderate self-defense to avoid killing the other man, since one is bound to take more care of one’s own life than of another’s.

He is totally clueless. We can only kill in self-defense. Also:

"The grounds for excommunication from the Roman Catholic Church are these:

1. Apostasy.
2. Heresy.
3. Desecration of the consecrated host.
4. Using force against the body of the Pontiff.
5. Giving absolution to a person complicit in violation of the 6th commandment (murder) except at the time of death.
6. Impersonation of a priest.
7. Consecration of a bishop without Papal mandate.
8. Breaking the seal of confession.
9. Procuring an abortion.
10. Complicity in any of the above."

So murder DOES get you excommunicated

Clearly, EENS stands not with the Church, nor reason.

Which one of those CLEARLY states that murder (besides abortion) is grounds for excommunication? Seriously, which? You will probably try to say number 5, but that is implicit AT BEST.

 

[LutheranDK]

at his church in Witcita, Kansas

kansascity.com/news/breaking_news/story/1225751.html

I feel for his family…

 

[Mary_Gail_36]

He is totally clueless. We can only kill in self-defense. Also:

"The grounds for excommunication from the Roman Catholic Church are these:

1. Apostasy.
2. Heresy.
3. Desecration of the consecrated host.
4. Using force against the body of the Pontiff.
5. Giving absolution to a person complicit in violation of the 6th commandment (murder) except at the time of death. (sixth commandment is Thou Shalt not Commit Adultery this means a priest can’t absolve the woman he’s been having an affair with )
6. Impersonation of a priest.
7. Consecration of a bishop without Papal mandate.
8. Breaking the seal of confession.
9. Procuring an abortion.
10. Complicity in any of the above."

So murder DOES get you excommunicated

Clearly, EENS stands not with the Church, nor reason.

 

[aicirt]

I seriously hope the people here complaining about abortion are at least like me and being consistent and equally angry at our government killing people and children overseas, otherwise they are nothing but crocodile tears.

60,000,000 babies have been slaughtered here in the US in the last 40 years. During the whole of WWII, 50,000,000 people were killed. No disease, no flu, has reached this number of deaths. This is a policy, a law. And the ones doing the killing are the mothers assisted by the abortionist and his/her staff. Even the father’s rights are limited if even existent.

 

[LutheranDK]

That is a stupid argument. Since a soul is eternal, killing 1 man versus killing 100 men is equally abhorrent. Christianity isn’t a numbers game, you don’t say your murder is better than the other because less people were killed. And most the time “collateral damage” is just the governments way of saying “yeah we killed them and we could have avoided it altogether but were just gonna invent this term called collateral damage so you guys can sleep easy at night”

BS!

Infanticide is the intentional killing of society’s weakest.

Collateral damage is the UNINTENTIONAL killing people who were at the wrong place at the wrong time.

Ergo: The two cases are entirely seperate and incomparable!

 

[LutheranDK]

Since I haven’t read through all 48 pages in the thread, I don’t know if someone HAS brought this up, but:

Does the fact that this baby-killer was an USHER in a church not disturb anyone?

 

[onetruechurch]

He is totally clueless. We can only kill in self-defense. Also:

"The grounds for excommunication from the Roman Catholic Church are these:

1. Giving absolution to a person complicit in violation of the 6th commandment (murder) except at the time of death.
   QUOTE]

I’ve been Catholic many years and according to the Catholic church version of the 10 Commandments the 6th commandment is:

 Thou shalt not commit adultery.

Adultery is evil but it is not “murder”.

 

[greg_b]

BS!

Infanticide is the intentional killing of society’s weakest.

Collateral damage is the UNINTENTIONAL killing people who were at the wrong place at the wrong time.

Ergo: The two cases are entirely seperate and incomparable!

The example I gave with Madeline Albright was not UNINTENTIONAL, she admitted complicit intentional killing, so that instance was definitely not “Collateral damage”

And wait, that’s odd, isn’t “Collateral damage” sometimes a phrase people will use to defend abortion. Hmmm…

60,000,000 babies have been slaughtered here in the US in the last 40 years. During the whole of WWII, 50,000,000 people were killed. No disease, no flu, has reached this number of deaths. This is a policy, a law. And the ones doing the killing are the mothers assisted by the abortionist and his/her staff. Even the father’s rights are limited if even existent.

For crying out loud guys, stop condemning one form of murder but then turning around and defending another

When confronted with a serious moral problem, Christians are bound to choose “none of the above” when confronted with two evils, even when one is a greater evil than the other. Consider a thought experiment:

You have been captured by a band of criminals. In a room stands you, two criminals, and 11 children. Criminal A hands you a gun and tells you to shoot one of the children in the head or the other 10 will be murdered by criminal B who has a machine gun. What do you do?

Saint Augustine established about 1600 years ago that the proper response in this case is to say “I chose neither. I will not cooperate in committing evil.”

This is the proper response for several reasons:

1. 10 children are not worth more than 1 child. Each human person is infinitely valuable, and for you to cooperate in the murder of one of them, no matter what your motivation, is to be a murderer, and no less a murderer than the one who murders 10. Humans cannot be reduced to math equations in Christian morality.
2. If criminal B proceeds to murder 10 children, you are not morally culpable. The murderers are the criminals, not you. You have a responsibility to not damn yourself and to not cooperate in evil.
3. You cannot predict the future. You don’t know that if you shoot the one child that the criminals will keep their words and spare the children. It could be that you will all be murdered no matter what, and all that you have accomplished is to become a murderer yourself. You also don’t know that if you spare the one, that the criminals won’t spare all of you for some other reason.

Many Christians are choosing to shoot the one child in the vain hope of saving the lives of the other 10. For this, they will be called to account.

Another timeless truth - “It is better to endure an evil than to commit one.”

 

[greg_b]

greg_b;5286574:

He is totally clueless. We can only kill in self-defense. Also:

"The grounds for excommunication from the Roman Catholic Church are these:

1. Giving absolution to a person complicit in violation of the 6th commandment (murder) except at the time of death.
   QUOTE]

I’ve been Catholic many years and according to the Catholic church version of the 10 Commandments the 6th commandment is:

 Thou shalt not commit adultery.

Adultery is evil but it is not “murder”.

Obviously the person I quoted this from must have gotten the number wrong.