Abortion Doctor Geroge Tiller Murdered this morning

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Agatina said:
Buffalo,
Good work! Thank you for getting that O’Reilly video on this site. If I knew how to get that on ordinary e-mail I’d start passing it around the world.
If you know how to e-mail that why don’t you do it. People need to see this.
Blessed Mother please protect all your children.
In Jesus Name,
Agatina
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Open you email and paste this in the body.

gloria.tv/?media=27509

or

visit the link and click file and then send.

Buffalo
 
Thank you Buffalo.
Thank you Jimpres.
I’m going to go to those sites.
God Bless you both.
Agatina
 
LutheranDK said:
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And good for the cause of Christendom.
“auferte malum ex vobis ipsis”…

Take a guess after having read my comments :rolleyes:

Why do you insist on lumping “protestants” together as ONE group - when you have just observed that he was “excommunicated” by the second-largest Lutheran church in the US?

And secondly: Should RCs “run out of” the RC church, because cafeteria RCs support infanticide and claim that it’s ok?
No.
Therefore, your argument is, yet another, non-sequitur.
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Thanks for responding. I’m happy to have received your (name removed by moderator)ut.

I don’t know what you mean by cafeteria Roman Catholics supporting infanticide. Could you explain, please.

I lump them into a group because it is very difficult to find Protestants who are willing to explain the differences among their various churches. I had to read a lot about Tiller in order to find the information about him. One other Protestant, who didn’t identify her church affiliation, did tell me that Protestants don’t excommunicate. Well, that statement was proved wrong, wasn’t it.

Then I read about an Episcopal minister, Rev. Kathering Ragsdale, who heads a seminary, who refers to Tiller as a saint and martyr. Unbelievable!
 
greg_b said:
The example I gave with Madeline Albright was not UNINTENTIONAL, she admitted complicit intentional killing, so that instance was definitely not “Collateral damage”

And wait, that’s odd, isn’t “Collateral damage” sometimes a phrase people will use to defend abortion. Hmmm…

For crying out loud guys, stop condemning one form of murder but then turning around and defending another

When confronted with a serious moral problem, Christians are bound to choose “none of the above” when confronted with two evils, even when one is a greater evil than the other. Consider a thought experiment:

You have been captured by a band of criminals. In a room stands you, two criminals, and 11 children. Criminal A hands you a gun and tells you to shoot one of the children in the head or the other 10 will be murdered by criminal B who has a machine gun. What do you do?

Saint Augustine established about 1600 years ago that the proper response in this case is to say “I chose neither. I will not cooperate in committing evil.”

This is the proper response for several reasons:
  1. 10 children are not worth more than 1 child. Each human person is infinitely valuable, and for you to cooperate in the murder of one of them, no matter what your motivation, is to be a murderer, and no less a murderer than the one who murders 10. Humans cannot be reduced to math equations in Christian morality.
  2. If criminal B proceeds to murder 10 children, you are not morally culpable. The murderers are the criminals, not you. You have a responsibility to not damn yourself and to not cooperate in evil.
  3. You cannot predict the future. You don’t know that if you shoot the one child that the criminals will keep their words and spare the children. It could be that you will all be murdered no matter what, and all that you have accomplished is to become a murderer yourself. You also don’t know that if you spare the one, that the criminals won’t spare all of you for some other reason.
Many Christians are choosing to shoot the one child in the vain hope of saving the lives of the other 10. For this, they will be called to account.

Another timeless truth - “It is better to endure an evil than to commit one.”
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You are making straw-men arguments over and over. No one is defending murder. No one is saying “kill 1 innocent to save 10”…No one.

The example I gave that the Church permits is self-defense, or the defense of another AGAINST AN AGGRESSOR IF if there is no other viable option of stopping him without the use of deadly force. I was not condoning the murder of an abortionist at all (as I have said repeatedly!), you are the one putting words in other peoples’ mouths as well as the Church’s. You are not even remotely close to convincing anyone with your horrible straw-men.
 
greg_b said:
So if a baby is halfway outside it’s mother and it is killed, is that murder or abortion? What is the difference? excommunication or not?
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If it is done by a doctor with the mother’s approval, and the baby has yet to be born, that is called an abortion. Permissible by law. Also known as partial birth abortion.

Excommunication of course. Did you really not know the answer to this question?
 
E.E.N.S said:
Catholic Morals 101: Abortion is murder. Learn the basics before coming here and being a P.i.t.A.
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Are you really that dumb? You know damn well what I was asking about. Some people here are saying that abortion gets you excommunicated but murder doesn’t. If that is true then I will ask this hypothetical for the 3rd time: If I kill a newborn halfway outside the mother, will that get me excommunicated or not? Is that considered abortion or not? Where does the line end and start? The point I am making is that you can’t consider abortion and any other kind of murder 2 different situations, since the only difference is that one is attached by an umbilical cord.
 
greg_b said:
Are you really that dumb? You know damn well what I was asking about. Some people here are saying that abortion gets you excommunicated but murder doesn’t. If that is true then I will ask this hypothetical for the 3rd time: If I kill a newborn halfway outside the mother, will that get me excommunicated or not? Is that considered abortion or not? Where does the line end and start? The point I am making is that you can’t consider abortion and any other kind of murder 2 different situations, since the only difference is that one is attached by an umbilical cord.
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You are just being a pain in the *** to make a point that you believe is correct. We all know that the punishment for abortion is excommunication. Show me where the Church teaches that killing outside of abortion deserves excommunication latae sentensiae…or at all.

You say that accidental killing of a non-combatant is just as heinous and perverse as a mother paying to have her baby slaughtered. The Church in no way, shape or form says this, yet you try to imply that she does.

You are either intellectually dishonest or deluded…I am just not sure which.
By the way, the first part of your question has been answered twice, no need for a third.
 
To me it’s a no-brainer that All Abortion is Murder.
Half-in, half-out of the mother doesn’t matter because it is Always Murder.
And Always Wrong, too.
Blessed Mother please ask you son, our Beloved Savior to save all the unborn and to help all mothers to see their fetus’ as babies to be born & loved. ]
In Jesus Name I Pray,
Agatina
 
Gabriella_San_S said:
Tiller was a man. Could he have been possessed? That was my question.
I know that you didn’t suggest loving demons, but** loving Tiller** is hard for many Christians right about now. So,*** why*** wouldn’ t it have been efficacious for Tiller to be exorcized? Just curious.
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Because I don’t believe that Tiller was possessed.
 
E.E.N.S said:
You are just being a pain in the *** to make a point that you believe is correct. We all know that the punishment for abortion is excommunication. Show me where the Church teaches that killing outside of abortion deserves excommunication latae sentensiae…or at all.

You say that accidental killing of a non-combatant is just as heinous and perverse as a mother paying to have her baby slaughtered. The Church in no way, shape or form says this, yet you try to imply that she does.

You are either intellectually dishonest or deluded…I am just not sure which.
By the way, the first part of your question has been answered twice, no need for a third.
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Wow, E.E.N.S avoided the subject AGAIN. I should be keeping track of this. I did not mention anything about war in this question, but he brought it up as way of changing the subject. I guess this proves my point that murder and abortion are both the same and you can’t differentiate the two.
 
Gabriella_San_S said:
Tiller was a man. Could he have been possessed? That was my question.
I know that you didn’t suggest loving demons, but** loving Tiller** is hard for many Christians right about now. So,*** why*** wouldn’ t it have been efficacious for Tiller to be exorcized? Just curious.
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The Christian command is to love the LIVING. The living are to be loved to bring them to God, not because one even remotely believes or supports their thinking or actions. As the cliche goes: love the sinner, not the sin.
 
Greg_b, if you killed the child with the intent to cause its death before its birth, it would be an abortion, which is a type of murder. If you allows the child to be born and killed it outside the womb, it would not be an abortion; by definition abortion is the deliberate death of a child not yet born. Why does it matter?
 
wanner47 said:
Greg_b, if you killed the child with the intent to cause its death before its birth, it would be an abortion, which is a type of murder. If you allows the child to be born and killed it outside the womb, it would not be an abortion; by definition abortion is the deliberate death of a child not yet born. Why does it matter?
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A difference of a few minutes lands you in jail.
 
John Paul II called abortion murder. To me that means from conception to birth. It is murder to kill the human.
 
jimpres said:
John Paul II called abortion murder. To me that means from conception to birth. It is murder to kill the human.
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Murder and killing have a distinction in Catholic teaching. Murder is always wrong. Killing as in Legitimate defense can be moral.

See Legitimate Defense in the Catechism.
 
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