Abortion Doctor Murdered

[Sky_Walker]

Call me cruel, mean, or whatever you want, but in my opinion he got what he deserved. He engaged in murder on a daily basis, and we all reap what we sow. It’s not so much that he performed abortions in the past, but he continually did it knowing that he was killing children and he had NO remorse for it. And for people he went to church with to call him a good Christian man is just insane! Sorry, but he got what he deserved.

How pathetic you are.

 

[reteeks21]

In what revision of the ten commandments did “Thou shalt not kill” become “Thou may kill abortion doctors only”?

How about “eye for an eye…”? Isn’t that in the there, too? When you sow murder you will reap it. He was a murderer, period. It is tragic that he was killed in church, but I won’t shed tears over it. The man that killed him will and should face judgement, but the government failed to act, so I guess he thought he needed to. Would you kill a Nazi that was in the process of murdering innocent Jewish children? I think most of us would. To me this situation is no different.

 

[JorjaMay]

Call me cruel, mean, or whatever you want, but in my opinion he got what he deserved. He engaged in murder on a daily basis, and we all reap what we sow. It’s not so much that he performed abortions in the past, but he continually did it knowing that he was killing children and he had NO remorse for it. And for people he went to church with to call him a good Christian man is just insane! Sorry, but he got what he deserved.

Lets leave the judging up to God.

 

[reteeks21]

Lets leave the judging up to God.

If by judging you mean determining his eternal fate, I would never do that. But as a man who called himself a Christian, I don’t think 60,000 late-term abortions is living up to Christ’s example and standards. If we sow sex we will pay the price. If we sow drug abuse we will pay the price. If we sow murder will reap the consequences. I am not justifying his killer’s actions at all. I am just pointing out that he reaped what he sowed. I hate it for him, but I’m glad that there is one less murderer of innocent children in America.

 

[mrhenrik]

How about “eye for an eye…”? Isn’t that in the there, too? When you sow murder you will reap it. He was a murderer, period. It is tragic that he was killed in church, but I won’t shed tears over it. The man that killed him will and should face judgement, but the government failed to act, so I guess he thought he needed to. Would you kill a Nazi that was in the process of murdering innocent Jewish children? I think most of us would. To me this situation is no different.

What I would do is unrelated. The fact is that your god specifically told you NOT to kill, and still you think it’s alright in some cases. There doesn’t seem to be much room for interpretation. It doesn’t say “thou shouldst not kill” or “I wouldst prefer if thou didn’t kill”, it says “thou shalt not kill”.

He should face judgement, but won’t he do so in this afterlife anyhow? Shouldn’t the babies be relieved that they are given a speedy journey towards the afterlife? Must be nice to skip all this.

 

[JorjaMay]

If by judging you mean determining his eternal fate, I would never do that. But as a man who called himself a Christian, I don’t think 60,000 late-term abortions is living up to Christ’s example and standards. If we sow sex we will pay the price. If we sow drug abuse we will pay the price. If we sow murder will reap the consequences. I am not justifying his killer’s actions at all. I am just pointing out that he reaped what he sowed. I hate it for him, but I’m glad that there is one less murderer of innocent children in America.

more judging…

 

[reteeks21]

What I would do is unrelated. The fact is that your god specifically told you NOT to kill, and still you think it’s alright in some cases. There doesn’t seem to be much room for interpretation. It doesn’t say “thou shouldst not kill” or “I wouldst prefer if thou didn’t kill”, it says “thou shalt not kill”.

He should face judgement, but won’t he do so in this afterlife anyhow? Shouldn’t the babies be relieved that they are given a speedy journey towards the afterlife? Must be nice to skip all this.

That is absurd and justification for the murder of babies. Have you ever had your brains sucked out after someone has induced your birth? I’m quite sure they would not choose that over life. That is a disgusting comment to make. It’s good to see you have some pity on the ones who are murdered. Your comments are justification for someone to commit a holocaust.

And what you would do is relevant. We all have a duty to speak up for people, especially the innocent even if the law of the land says otherwise. When was the last time you waved the banner of “thou shalt not kill” while he was murdering babies?

 

[reteeks21]

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more judging…

How is any of that judging? Pointing out that we reap what we sow comes straight from the Bible. It’s a completely objective truth. It’s black and white, and injecting gray into it only continues to muddy the waters when it comes to truth. We all get what we put into this life. He took life and he had his taken. I do hate it that he wasn’t prosecuted and hauled off to jail. I would have rather seen that than him get murdered.

 

[gardenswithkids]

While I admire the sentiment, this is a case of the old saying, “wish in one hand…” This man was pure evil and was put on trial for illegal abortions…

WND ran an op-ed piece by Dave Welch today (6/2/09) called, “The Role of Tiller’s Pastors”.

While you call the man “evil”, George Tiller apparently was active in his Protestant community and contributed significant financial support to it. Tiller had accomplices within the Christian community who also share some responsibility with Tiller for his actions because they failed at their responsibility to teach and educate an abortionist about important moral truths such as the sanctity of human life. Instead, his pastor/s accepted money from Tiller–and we know how that man made his money.

wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=99830

…*The incredible irony of this cannot be lost, however, that the most notorious abortionist in America was gunned down at a church where, as the New York Times reported, Tiller “had attended … for a long time, they said, and had contributed significantly to construction of the current facility, which was built in about 1996.” *

*Tiller was an usher, long-time member and major financial contributor to Reformation Lutheran Church. His church attendance had not escaped the notice of pro-life activists, as according to a Fox News story, “…They’ve been out here for quite a few years. We’ve just become accustomed to it. Just like an everyday thing, you just looked over and see them and say, ‘Yup they’re back again.’” *

I have to ask the question that is one which strikes at the heart of much of our spiritual, social, moral and political condition today. What was he being taught in this church? Tiller was obviously comfortable in this church, and it is evident that the pastoral leadership was comfortable with him. …

 

[yellowbird]

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How is any of that judging? Pointing out that we reap what we sow comes straight from the Bible. It’s a completely objective truth. It’s black and white, and injecting gray into it only continues to muddy the waters when it comes to truth. We all get what we put into this life. He took life and he had his taken. I do hate it that he wasn’t prosecuted and hauled off to jail. I would have rather seen that than him get murdered.

It’s not judging at all. We DO reap what we sow.

I am sure Satan was sad to hear of this man’s death. Now he’ll have to find someone else willing to rip the arms and legs off fully formed babies for cash.

 

[Good_Fella]

Then you have condemned yourself. I don’t call you mean or cruel, but I do call you morally responsible for the death of this man. All those who publically in any way call what he did “murder” bear that onus now. For he did not murder. Murder is a term that is legal in nature, it means unlawful killing of another human being. You may say that it should be murder, but it is not as of now. When you use such words as “murder” inappropriately like this, your rhetoric is heard by both the sane and the insane, by both the mentally stable and unstable.

“Thou shalt not kill.”
Exodus 20, 13

The Hebrew word for “kill” is ratsach, meaning to slay or murder someone. It is moral in nature and means the immoral killing of another human being. If you believe murder is purely an illegal act as defined by the state, while abortion on demand is sanctioned by the state, then you must concede that it isn’t wrong for a doctor to abort the life of a fetus even though the mother’s life isn’t in peril.

 

[Peter_J]

I think reteeks raised a good question, re the Nazis.

Personally, I decided many years ago that the comparison between Nazis and abortion supporters is weak and contrived, and I haven’t changed my mind. (The comparison between slavery and abortion is another matter. That, to me, is a very good analogy, but I won’t go into that.) But for those of you who do consider abortion comparable to the Sheol, what do you think? Can a comparison be made between the killing of George Tiller two days ago, and reteek’s hypothetical killing of a Nazi during WWII?

 

[yellowbird]

I think reteeks raised a good question, re the Nazis.

Personally, I decided many years ago that the comparison between Nazis and abortion supporters is weak and contrived, and I haven’t changed my mind. (The comparison between slavery and abortion is another matter. That, to me, is a very good analogy, but I won’t go into that.) But for those of you who do consider abortion comparable to the Sheol, what do you think? Can a comparison be made between the killing of George Tiller two days ago, and reteek’s hypothetical killing of a Nazi during WWII?

I view the abortion doctors and the nazi camp guards in a similar way. Both take innocent life legally because the government allows it. Both feel justified because a large segment of society says it’s OK. Both justifiy the killings saying that they aren’t really “human” (Jews and the unborn babies) and they are “unwanted” - so that somehow makes it ok?

While not directly participating in the killing of the Jews, many people did NOTHING to stop it and were content to just turn a blind eye. Same with the abortion industry and the murder of the unborn by the millions. And just like it’s not until those people viewed the heaps of dead Jews and hopefully felt disgusted with themselves for being idle, all who either support abortion rights or remain silent should have to actually view a pile of dismembered aborted babies, no wait - ALL the bodies of the unborn stacked up and up and up for miles into the sky, so that they too might feel disgusted with their views.

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

Then you have condemned yourself. I don’t call you mean or cruel, but I do call you morally responsible for the death of this man. All those who publically in any way call what he did “murder” bear that onus now. For he did not murder. Murder is a term that is legal in nature, it means unlawful killing of another human being. You may say that it should be murder, but it is not as of now. When you use such words as “murder” inappropriately like this, your rhetoric is heard by both the sane and the insane, by both the mentally stable and unstable.

Some of the latter, hearing your words, take it upon themselves to be God’s “actor” and correct the “wrong” This is why so many of the anti-choice groups are trying to distance themselves from the actor here. They don’t want the onus to rub off on them. But of course, it is too late for that. Now some, actually hope that such people will do this, and they are expecially reprehensible. But when you give credence and rightness to outright murder, then you are morally as guilty.

It is perfectly right and honorable to oppose abortion. Frankly everyone does and would be happy for any solution that avoids it. But to inject inflammatory rhetoric into the mix brings on the kind of violence that we have now witnessed. This will harm the anti-choice movement and they well know this.

To say that he got what he deserves means you think that you can step in and speak for God.

When I think of the Hell that the CC has put children through in Ireland & elsewhere, the OP’s post makes my blood boil The Church’s​

attitude has been so unChristian that it beggars imagination.

 

[SpiritMeadow]

Yes, but it’s rather absurd for you to try to condemn everyone who says “George Tiller was guilty of murder”. Saying that someone is guilty of murder isn’t at all the same as hoping that he himself will be murdered.

It is a reminder to us all that words that enflame can have disasterous effects. The term murder as applied to the Doctor, was and is inappropriate and enflammatory. That kind of talk reached the ears of an unstable person who took it upon himself to “right” this wrong. We need all remember that when we misidentify people and events by using pejorative words we run the risk of disaster, and we do then bear some responsibility for it.

Beyond that I find it sad beyond belief that anyone who professes Christ would take satisfaction in the death of any human being. But that’s just me I suspect.

As to your other thought about unintended meaning, yes I am sure most of the anti-choice people didn’t think or wish this to happen, but some undoubtedly did hope it would, hopefully a very small number. And yes, I think their first reaction was to worry about how this would affect their movement.

 

[SpiritMeadow]

I do not intend to defend the murder of Tiller. My heart goes out to his family and I pray that God show mercy on him. That said the man was a murderer plain and simple. He had yet to be fond guilty in a court of law of it. He preformed late term abortion which are illegal therefore it falls under the definition of murder.

I do agree with you are inflammatory language need be avoided, at the same time it can not be sugar coated what Mr. Tiller and other like him are doing and that is murder (be it legal or not) of the most innocent.

The first thing that came to my mind is I hope he asked God for forgiveness before he died. Then I thought when are people going to learn you don’t give causes you oppose a martyr.

I also agree with you that one deserves to be shot down in cold blood. He did not get what he deserved. no one deserves that.

I agree with most of what you said, but not the beginning. You may believe that he should be considered a murderer, but so far the law says he was not. He was acquited of several charges of that. That makes him non-guilty period. You may believe that what he does should be considered murder, but that is a matter of changing the law, not killing the one so far legally working within it.

 

[SpiritMeadow]

I don’t get what you are saying. Are they not pre-born human beings? Or is it just not murder because ending their life is not against the law? If that’s the case…

Did the guards in Nazi Germany commit murder when the stuffed the Jews into the ovens?

Did the slave owners commit murder when they whipped their negro slaves to death?

When a black man whistled at a white woman and was later hung, despite the fact that an all-white jury found the perpetrators innocent, was that black man murdered?

When a young Muslim girl is beaten to death by her brother to protect her family’s name after being caught speaking a boy, is that not murder?

Murder is a legal term. It means the “unlawful killing of a human being.” Abortion is not illegal, therefore the termination of a pregnancy within the legal time frame is not murder. That is just law. Your personal belief of what should be law is not the issue. That is a matter of legislation.

The killing of Jews by Germans was a crime of genocide, and was determined later by the International Court to be a crime so obvious that no one could stand behind the orders of their superiors to avoid prosecution. Still, I don’t believe that most rank and file nazi’s were prosecuted. Mostly it was the higher echelons who were of rank. I’m not sure whether the Geneva Accords were in force in WWII or not, they may have imminated from WWII. If they were in force, then yes the Germans were probably guilty of murder under them.

As to slaves, that would depend on the law of each state who allowed slavery. I am sure there were some prosecutions, but overall, not many. Some states did not allow outright murder of a slave, some defined the type of punishment that could be exacted. Again, the law dictates. We aren’t discussing what we would LIKE it to be.

As to the hanging. The law says the man was not guilty. That is not the same as innocent, but indeed he is not guilty legally of murder. Whether he should have been convicted is another issue entirely.

As to the Muslim. (Interesting in that there is virtually not a nice thing to say about any Muslim on this board), but again that depends solely on the country and it’s laws. It is tragic that such behavior might be legal, but that in some countries it is, is no doubt true.

You miss the point I believe of what I say. We may all agree that in every instance you mentioned, it should be murderous to do these things, but if the law says otherwise, it is enflammatory to call someone that which they legally are not, when people who are mentally ill can decide to be an avenging angel as it were.

 

[SpiritMeadow]

I have as much sympathy for him as I do for serial killers who are murdered in jail.

Was it wrong. Yes. Would I shed one tear?

No.

ahhhh, when the Christian cannot muster up one tear for the unjust killing of another human, then what can we expect from the unbeliever whom we claim has no inborn morality in the first place?

 

[Peter_J]

It is a reminder to us all that words that enflame can have disasterous effects. The term murder as applied to the Doctor, was and is inappropriate and enflammatory. That kind of talk reached the ears of an unstable person who took it upon himself to “right” this wrong. We need all remember that when we misidentify people and events by using pejorative words we run the risk of disaster, and we do then bear some responsibility for it.

I guess we’ll never see eye-to-eye on this. I think it’s inflammatory to compare abortion to the Holocaust; but I have no problem comparing present-day abortion laws to the pro-slavery laws of the early USA, nor do I have any problem saying that abortion is homicide.

As to your other thought about unintended meaning, yes I am sure most of the anti-choice people didn’t think or wish this to happen,

I quite agree – although some might say that I’m biased, since I myself am one of those “anti-choice” people.

 

[SpiritMeadow]

On the news tonight they were discussing the fact that Tiller the Killer slayed over 60,000 babies in his 35 year career of death. This is holocaust, pure and simple. I put him in the same category as Himmler, Goebbels, Mengela, and Hitler, a man of holocaust. His murder was against the law and morally wrong but I view Tiller as a Nazi commander at Sobibor or Auschwitz. Not much sympathy here. 60,000 babies, unconscionable. Sickening. Evil.

So you would have done nothing to stop the Holocaust I take it? If this was as bad why were you not compelled to morally take the “law” into your own hands? There were many a Catholic and Protestant who died trying to stop the nazis. They it seems believed they were morally obligated to offer their lives? freedom? to end a moral wrong.

My point is not that you should surely, but when you make these viscious claims against another but fail to act to stop it, you are being a hypocrite it seems.