Abortion Doctor's Murder Trial Opens

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When I sat on the murder jury, we did have to be unanimous although it was only one count of murder. If they have to be unanimous on ALL the counts, I can see it being a really long deliberation. We had to go back over the case for 2 jurors to vote guilty. They just felt bad for the perp and didn’t want to be the reason he went to prison. It was emotional more than anything, but at first they said they doubted the evidence. So we showed them the whole thing all over again, basically, and at the end of that, they voted guilty too.

I think if Gosnell doesn’t get at least life, my faith in the justice system will never recover. I think he should serve one lifetime for each life he took. I realize he’d never get out, but it would seem like justice to hear the sentence read out. Would 10,000 years cover it? Maybe. Maybe it would be more.
I think he should get the death penalty. I really don’t like the death penalty, and a part of me really wishes it wasn’t legal. But this man is just so horrifically evil if anyone deserves it, he does. People like him make me wish God wasn’t so merciful. I know it’s wrong but a part of me hopes he doesn’t repent his evil sins before he dies.
 
Did anyone watch the hour long special on Fox News channel last night on this man? I knew it was horrible, I knew what he did. But I didn’t know about his mother’s day massacre nor that other clinic workers had already plead guilty to murdering babies born alive. It’s impossible for me to have any sort of charity for this man at all. He brings out the absolute worst feelings of vengeance in me for all those murdered children. I just can’t comprehend the evil that he is, it’s so hard to wrap my head around it.
Yes. I have been following this trial very closely so I didn’t expect to learn much new information. However I did. I think the direct testimony from some of the former patients and also former clinic workers was much more compelling than just reading transcripts or reports.

Also, I wasn’t aware the number of lawsuits and complaints against Dr Gosnell that the State of Pennsylvania and the Medical Board simply ignored! This is something that should clearly be reviewed and the Penn Legislature needs to either enact new rules regarding inspections or have some serious ramifications for not following the laws that are probably on the books.

I work in a medical clinic so I am aware of Board certification, licensing and credentialling. One of the reports was from Dr Manny Alverez who said that Gosnell was a “failed” doctor in that he didn’t have the skills or ability or knowledge to get Board certification or specialize in traditional medical practice. I know the difficulty in getting privileges at hospitals and how this process serves as a “triage” to identify unqualified doctors. I know in another thread the abortion lobby was howling to the rooftops about how onerous it was to require those doctors staffing abortion clinics to be Board certified and how that prevented women from “accessing reproductive healthcare” (aka abortions). But in reality what it does is prevent women from being butchered by incompetents like Gosnell! There is a reason Gosnell didn’t have a hospital practice or work in a clinic with other Board certified doctors. Further the lack of inspections allowed Gosnell to have totally untrained staff giving anesthesia and providing medical care :eek:

The other interesting revelation was that Gosnell did a lot of the really late term abortions on Sunday with just his wife attending so that he could hide some of the more egregious slaughter.

This whole Gosnell episode flies in the face of the abortion activists who CLAIM they want “safe, legal and rare.” Gosnell’s practice although providing what could be a legal procedure was everything but SAFE and the post birth killing was anything but rare.

Lisa
 
I think he should get the death penalty. I really don’t like the death penalty, and a part of me really wishes it wasn’t legal. But this man is just so horrifically evil if anyone deserves it, he does. People like him make me wish God wasn’t so merciful. I know it’s wrong but a part of me hopes he doesn’t repent his evil sins before he dies.
Gosnell did do horrible but society too is to blame for this ill, sorry to say.
 
Did anyone watch the hour long special on Fox News channel last night on this man? I knew it was horrible, I knew what he did. But I didn’t know about his mother’s day massacre nor that other clinic workers had already plead guilty to murdering babies born alive. It’s impossible for me to have any sort of charity for this man at all. He brings out the absolute worst feelings of vengeance in me for all those murdered children. I just can’t comprehend the evil that he is, it’s so hard to wrap my head around it.
I had every intention of watching but the Holy Spirit gave me amnesia and by the time I remembered, it was over. It’s going to be shown again at 9 EST (I think) on Sunday, so I’ll try again.
 

  1. *]Gosnell Murder Trial Jury Wants More Info on Babies He Killed

    *]Kermit Gosnell Price Sheet Shows $1,850 for 23-24 Week Abortion

    *]Hope it is ok with Fox that this has been uploaded to youtube by a person.

    “See No Evil” the Kermit Gosnell case

    youtube.com/watch?v=T2ngslwnr8M

    Hosted by Breit Baier.

    *]President of pro life organization Live Action, Lila Rose, will be on the Mike Huckabee show tonight on Fox news discussing Kermit Gosnell and the ‘Inhuman’ investigation of late term abortion. Airs at 8:00pm ET tonight and tomorrow.
 
Abortion Activist: Kermit Gosnell Horrors “Just Like Weeding Your Garden”

Soon after beginning the rosary, two elderly women approached and began shouting insults. “It’s not murder! You men don’t ever have to have one!”
It is amazing that this canard is trotted out still. It would be like saying that if you are not black you would be unwelcome at a Civil Rights demonstration. I would bet money both of these women have Obama 2012 and that “Co-exist” bumper sticker made out of religious symbols. They consider themselves enlightened and tolerant. They would be horrified about bigotry or violations of civil rights if it were gays or Muslims or women. But it’s fine to have this attitude when it comes to the rights of unborn babies. As several have noted, abortion has become a sacrament to the Left.

Lisa
 
It is amazing that this canard is trotted out still. It would be like saying that if you are not black you would be unwelcome at a Civil Rights demonstration. I would bet money both of these women have Obama 2012 and that “Co-exist” bumper sticker made out of religious symbols. They consider themselves enlightened and tolerant. They would be horrified about bigotry or violations of civil rights if it were gays or Muslims or women. But it’s fine to have this attitude when it comes to the rights of unborn babies. As several have noted, abortion has become a sacrament to the Left.

Lisa
The other canard is the mantra"abortion should be safe,legal and rare" Gee,wasn’t that the whole point for legalizing abortion,to protect women from the very acts that were done on Gosnell’s house of horrors? Again,I hope and pray we have reached the tipping point with regards to abortion.That the public outrage and sadness will effect the beginning of conversion of hearts and souls. Also,not happy to see the complicit nature of the Republicans,namely Tom Ridge,who chose to look theother way.:(:mad:
 
I tried to watch the Fox News show. I couldn’t continue. Absolutely sickening and horrifying. And so sad.

I know it’s not charitable of me, but I wish we still had the electric chair.
 
I tried to watch the Fox News show. I couldn’t continue. Absolutely sickening and horrifying. And so sad.

I know it’s not charitable of me, but I wish we still had the electric chair.
What I found most despicable was the fact that Gosnell,not even a board certified OBGYN,was preying on desperate women,extorting large sums of money to commit
murder! Inducing labor,then murdering newborns,all for $$$,under the guise of “helping women” Horrifying indeed!😦
 
What I found most despicable was the fact that Gosnell,not even a board certified OBGYN,was preying on desperate women,extorting large sums of money to commit
murder! Inducing labor,then murdering newborns,all for $$$,under the guise of “helping women” Horrifying indeed!😦
Yes and remember how Planned Parenthood and other abortion supporters scream to the mountaintops that laws requiring board certification for abortion providers in these clinics is “designed to prevent women from their right to choose.”

The reality is that fewer and fewer qualified doctors will do abortions. Thus the bottom feeders in the medical world take on this business. As one reporter noted and as Dr Manny Alverez stated in the program, Gosnell was a very POOR doctor. He was lacking in skill as well as ethics.

Lisa
 
Yes and remember how Planned Parenthood and other abortion supporters scream to the mountaintops that laws requiring board certification for abortion providers in these clinics is “designed to prevent women from their right to choose.”

The reality is that fewer and fewer qualified doctors will do abortions. Thus the bottom feeders in the medical world take on this business. As one reporter noted and as Dr Manny Alverez stated in the program, Gosnell was a very POOR doctor. He was lacking in skill as well as ethics.

Lisa
Survey was done of 1800 practicing OB GYNS and 97% said they had come across a woman who wanted an abortion but only 14% of the ob gyns said they would give them an abortion. You can only assume that the percentage of ob guns wanting to provide abortion will decrease further in the future given the pro life direction of the country.

capsules.kaiserhealthnews.org/index.php/2011/08/study-a-declining-share-of-ob-gyns-offer-abortions
 
Yes and remember how Planned Parenthood and other abortion supporters scream to the mountaintops that laws requiring board certification for abortion providers in these clinics is “designed to prevent women from their right to choose.”

The reality is that fewer and fewer qualified doctors will do abortions. Thus the bottom feeders in the medical world take on this business. As one reporter noted and as Dr Manny Alverez stated in the program, Gosnell was a very POOR doctor. He was lacking in skill as well as ethics.

Lisa
Practicing ob gyns were surveyed and 97% said they had come across a woman who wanted an abortion and 14% of the ob gyns performed abortion:

capsules.kaiserhealthnews.org/index.php/2011/08/study-a-declining-share-of-ob-gyns-offer-abortions
 
Jury still in deliberation? It worries me that it’s taken them this long.
 
I was thinking the same thing. I do not see why this would be a hard decision.
Murder decisions must be unanimous. While you and I and probably most of us on CAF don’t think there is much doubt that the babies were born alive and then killed, juries have become so accustomed to the kind of clear and convincing physical evidence as seen on CSI or NCIS that they interpret beyond a REASONABLE doubt, to beyond ANY doubt. Thus Casey Anthony gets off… With respect to one of the cases thrown out by the judge, the ME said he could not say FOR SURE that the baby was born alive…as it had been too much time since the death. Much of the evidence was difficult to interpret. The babies bodies, frozen had to be carefully thawed and the ME noted that this made autopsy difficult. The defense clearly scored points on the “reasonable doubt” issue but the ME said there would be no other reason to snip the neck of the baby.

My hope is that they are only stuck on some but not all of the murder charges and perhaps taking multiple votes. Also there are literally hundreds of other charges to consider, plus I believe he has a co-defendant who is also being considered. Also the concern with appeals based on the theory that Gosnell couldn’t get a fair trial. Again I hope and pray the jury is being very careful so that this verdict will stand.

Lisa
 
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