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Gosnell’s abortion atrocities no ‘aberration’: Column
Abortion rights advocates have asserted that Gosnell was an “extreme outlier” and opposed legislation to increase regulation of Pennsylvania abortion clinics as they have in other states. But how could they possibly know that this is an aberration?
Last week, Ohio officials shut down an abortion clinic after inspectors found that a medical assistant administered narcotics to five patients, that narcotics and powerful sedatives weren’t properly accounted for, that pharmacy licenses had expired and that four staff members hadn’t been screened for a communicable disease.
This month, a Delaware TV station reported that two Planned Parenthood nurses resigned in protest over conditions at a clinic there. One nurse, Jayne Mitchell-Werbrich, said, “It was just unsafe. I couldn’t tell you how ridiculously unsafe it was.” …
Last year, an Associated Press investigation found that Illinois hadn’t inspected some abortion clinics for 10 to 15 years. After state health officials reinvigorated their clinic inspections in the wake of Gosnell, inspectors closed two clinics, including one fined for “failure to perform CPR on a patient who died after a procedure,” according to AP.
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This is what I don’t get. Is it extreme because he didn’t kill the babies before inducing delivery and they were accidentally born alive and had to be killed post-postpartum?
Geography is everything! If a baby is killed before its body completely emerges from the birth canal it’s “an abortion” but if it’s killed after leaving the woman’s body, then it becomes a criminal act. There is such cognitive dissonance in our abortion laws.

I am starting to realize that I was totally ignorant of the continued practice of late term abortions. Somehow I thought the ban on Partial Birth Abortion had effectively stopped the practice. I suspect many Americans did as well.

Now with this trial and subsequent investigation I realize, this goes on “all the time” and that the only reason it continues is that somehow it’s considered more merciful to scald, poison or drug a child so it’s killed a few inches before PBA could have been used for the same result.

Horrors!

Lisa
 
Geography is everything! If a baby is killed before its body completely emerges from the birth canal it’s “an abortion” but if it’s killed after leaving the woman’s body, then it becomes a criminal act. There is such cognitive dissonance in our abortion laws.

I am starting to realize that I was totally ignorant of the continued practice of late term abortions. **Somehow I thought the ban on Partial Birth Abortion had effectively stopped the practice. ** I suspect many Americans did as well.

Now with this trial and subsequent investigation I realize, this goes on “all the time” and that the only reason it continues is that somehow it’s considered more merciful to scald, poison or drug a child so it’s killed a few inches before PBA could have been used for the same result.

Horrors!

Lisa
Well, that explains that…
 
Yes, I remember that. “Every child a wanted child.” I just wondered how do you determine “wanted?” The next logical step is, do you just kill any innocent human you don’t want around in your life?
This has such powerful ramifications. We’re at opposite poles from the abortion enablers - “love every child first, and let them be born” versus “birth the child if it is wanted”. We speak to parents, they speak to people who aren’t sure if they want to be parents. As has been mentioned before, we cannot hope to resolve this without a cultural shift. Consider that, by some estimates at least, 90% of babies with Down’s Syndrome are aborted. That’s an astonishing number, and heartless. Yes, it is difficult to raise any child, much less a child with lifelong disabilities, but the loving choice is to care for the weak and the disabled, not kill them. We’re in Huxley’s territory here, a eugenically-preferred “Brave New World”.

You’d think, with the ready availability of contraception - and at no charge now - abortion would plummet into statistically trivial rates. While abortion rates (variously defined) have decreased some in recent years, and substantially since the mid-1970s (when the abortion industry had time to respond to Roe by increasing capacity), they have by no means diminished into an insignificant volume.

I suspect that contraception and abortion are trade-offs but only to a point, ie contraception helps prevent unwanted pregnancies, but it also means that there are longer periods during which a woman is fertile and, given sufficient time, likely to conceive unintentionally. This is why abortion rates have only declined so far, perhaps they will level out and we will continually have this group that, despite education, free contraception, etc, will still want to have abortions.

Will we see abortion rates decline if more women opt for sterilization after they’ve hit their desired family size? Sterilization is now covered under the decreasingly-accurately-named Affordable Care Act. Or will Planned Parenthood control the message - “Keep your options open” rather than “Done having a family? We’ll make sure you never have to worry about birth control again.” I think they may be reluctant to push the latter, even among older women, since it means PP loses customers.

The sum-total of this is a country less open to children, with women rendering themselves infertile - either chemically or sugically - and abortion not seen as a problem but a right to be proud of. How can we call ourselves a good society that takes care of the weak and sick when we don’t allow the weak and the sick to be born?
 
This story make me sick to my stomach.Has anyone heard about what the verdict was? I know the trail came to a close yesterday
 
I’m glad President Obama called this NBA player and said at the Press Conference that we are all equal.
 
This is what I don’t get. Is it extreme because he didn’t kill the babies before inducing delivery and they were accidentally born alive and had to be killed post-postpartum?
Matthew Archbold:
But in general think about this. If Gosnell had killed the baby in the same way in the birth canal that would be perfectly fine to our current legal system but only because he’s alleged to have delivered the babies before killing them, it might be illegal. This particular demarcation of humanity seems rather arbitrary, doesn’t it? Is location really the arbiter of humanity? While legal eagles might argue that, only a moral idiot could agree.
ncregister.com/blog/matthew-archbold/why-did-gosnell-sever-the-babies-spinal-cord-if-they-were-already-dead#ixzz2Ry1XxRcx
 
Not to mention, but for two pieces of legislation (Born-Alive Infants Protection Act of 2002 and the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003, with SCOTUS upholding) signed during the puppy-kicker Boosh years, and approved by Republicans Who Do Nothing To Stop Abortion™, EVERYTHING Gosnell did outside of administering too much anesthesia would have been 100% LEGAL.
 
Not to mention, but for two pieces of legislation (Born-Alive Infants Protection Act of 2002 and the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003, with SCOTUS upholding) signed during the puppy-kicker Boosh years, and approved by Republicans Who Do Nothing To Stop Abortion™, EVERYTHING Gosnell did outside of administering too much anesthesia would have been 100% LEGAL.
Funny and sad! But thank you for bringing up the usual canard of the Left. That along with the mantra “they only want you to have babies they don’t care about you or the babies after the birth” seem firmly ingrained into the American conscious. The old story that if you repeat a lie enough times it will be considered the truth certainly carries weight here.

Lisa
 
Funny and sad! But thank you for bringing up the usual canard of the Left. That along with the mantra “they only want you to have babies they don’t care about you or the babies after the birth” seem firmly ingrained into the American conscious. The old story that if you repeat a lie enough times it will be considered the truth certainly carries weight here.

Lisa
The corollary to the canard is “So only babies with sufficient welfare will have a life worth living and should be born?”

Next time this is brought up, challenge it. Example:
Pro-Abortion: “You hypocrites only care about babies before they’re born, but don’t care about them afterwards! You’re against feeding, educating, or providing medical care for the poor!”
Pro-Life: “You make a good point. Let’s fully-fund health insurance for everyone who can’t afford it, provide free education for all children and expand TANF and WIC for all families at 150% of the poverty line. Free contraception is currently available under all health plans (as of Aug 1, 2012) including medicaid, and with all women covered by public or private insurance, all women can get and use the most effective forms of birth control available. Catholic Charities and other agencies are happy to assist with adoption for women who carry pregnancies to term, and with legal and other help for women who are in bad relationships to have their babies safely and keep the abusive boyfriend or husband away. Now can we restrict abortion to save the life of the mother, to first-trimester only in the case of rape and incest, and prohibit abortion in all other cases?”

What will the Pro-Abortion answer be?
  1. “I’m so glad you see the error of your thinking. You’re getting rid of all reasons for abortion-on-demand while keeping a safety net. I’ll stop arguing for Roe v. Wade since now we will have a society that takes care of every woman and every child, while leaving the provision for rape survivors to not have to carry their rapist’s baby.”
  2. “That’s wishful thinking. Contraception may still fail and abortion needs to be available as a contraception of last resort. And there are women who sigh no matter how much we teach them, how free and available we make every form of birth control, how much sex education we provide, will still have unprotected sex, not wanting a child, and that right to abortion needs to remain.”
  3. “Not so fast - the right to abortion helps women with timing and spacing of their births, keeps them from having to raise a child with disabilities - especially severe ones, and allows an earth-conscious couple who wants only one child to select the gender of their one child.”
  4. “Abortion is a fundamental and sacred human right. We cannot restrict the right to an abortion any more than we can restrict the right to freedom of belief. If any woman wanting an abortion at any time cannot get one because her doctor doesn’t want to provide it, or because she doesn’t have a reason good enough for the law, that’s a disgrace and an unconstitutional trampling of women’s freedoms.”
 
The corollary to the canard is “So only babies with sufficient welfare will have a life worth living and should be born?”

Next time this is brought up, challenge it. Example:
Pro-Abortion: “You hypocrites only care about babies before they’re born, but don’t care about them afterwards! You’re against feeding, educating, or providing medical care for the poor!”
Pro-Life: “You make a good point. Let’s fully-fund health insurance for everyone who can’t afford it, provide free education for all children and expand TANF and WIC for all families at 150% of the poverty line. Free contraception is currently available under all health plans (as of Aug 1, 2012) including medicaid, and with all women covered by public or private insurance, all women can get and use the most effective forms of birth control available. Catholic Charities and other agencies are happy to assist with adoption for women who carry pregnancies to term, and with legal and other help for women who are in bad relationships to have their babies safely and keep the abusive boyfriend or husband away. Now can we restrict abortion to save the life of the mother, to first-trimester only in the case of rape and incest, and prohibit abortion in all other cases?”

What will the Pro-Abortion answer be?
  1. “I’m so glad you see the error of your thinking. You’re getting rid of all reasons for abortion-on-demand while keeping a safety net. I’ll stop arguing for Roe v. Wade since now we will have a society that takes care of every woman and every child, while leaving the provision for rape survivors to not have to carry their rapist’s baby.”
  2. “That’s wishful thinking. Contraception may still fail and abortion needs to be available as a contraception of last resort. And there are women who sigh no matter how much we teach them, how free and available we make every form of birth control, how much sex education we provide, will still have unprotected sex, not wanting a child, and that right to abortion needs to remain.”
  3. “Not so fast - the right to abortion helps women with timing and spacing of their births, keeps them from having to raise a child with disabilities - especially severe ones, and allows an earth-conscious couple who wants only one child to select the gender of their one child.”
  4. “Abortion is a fundamental and sacred human right. We cannot restrict the right to an abortion any more than we can restrict the right to freedom of belief. If any woman wanting an abortion at any time cannot get one because her doctor doesn’t want to provide it, or because she doesn’t have a reason good enough for the law, that’s a disgrace and an unconstitutional trampling of women’s freedoms.”
Bon fait! I’m bookmarking this one!
 
Listening to the Defense arguments is an exercise in pretzel logic.

Another point of interest in Dungee’s testimony was introduced by O’Neill’s defense attorney, James Berardinelli, who has thus far had few, if any, questions for prosecution witnesses. Berardinelli insisted that since Dungee did not actually expel her four-week baby until 24 hours after she took the first abortion pill, then the 24-hour waiting period had been observed.

The same Defense Attorney claimed that despite the snipping of babies’ necks there was no ‘evidence’ they were born alive. As it turned out, I had thought the babies were first killed with Digoxin before being aborted but apparently Dr Gosnell was so unskilled that he decided Digoxin didn’t work. In fact he depended on the baby being killed during the birth process, either from the trauma or lack of oxygen. Given that babies DID survive this method, he used the snipping to “ensure fetal demise.”

The most outrageous comment was the “snipping” was to prevent the baby from feeling pain as he or she struggled for life…horrible

Lisa
 
Listening to the Defense arguments is an exercise in pretzel logic.

Another point of interest in Dungee’s testimony was introduced by O’Neill’s defense attorney, James Berardinelli, who has thus far had few, if any, questions for prosecution witnesses. Berardinelli insisted that since Dungee did not actually expel her four-week baby until 24 hours after she took the first abortion pill, then the 24-hour waiting period had been observed.

The same Defense Attorney claimed that despite the snipping of babies’ necks there was no ‘evidence’ they were born alive. As it turned out, I had thought the babies were first killed with Digoxin before being aborted but apparently Dr Gosnell was so unskilled that he decided Digoxin didn’t work. In fact he depended on the baby being killed during the birth process, either from the trauma or lack of oxygen. Given that babies DID survive this method, he used the snipping to “ensure fetal demise.”

The most outrageous comment was the “snipping” was to prevent the baby from feeling pain as he or she struggled for life…horrible

Lisa
There are actually 2 different defense attorneys., Gosnell’s is named McMahon.

As for the Digoxin, the prosecutor in his closing arguments said that no digoxin was found among the various drugs removed from the “clinic”. He then explained that Gosnell used the “snipping” (shudder) because he was too inept in using the digoxin, Even raising the dosage by 400% didn’t work, so Gosnell abandoned the digoxin method.

(I think this information is found in one of the linked articles)

An older baby most likely would survive an induction (basically what Gosnell would do) Vaginal birth can benefit preemies because it can stimulate the lungs.

I am convinced that the 28 week baby was alive and alert. My preemie was crying, and he had a near perfect apgar score as well. He was just over 28 weeks.
 
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